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cmon! just because he speaks with a italian accent doesnt mean he cant be mirage! maybe when he landed on earth, he fell in italy and picked up the accent along with scanning the italian car for his alt mode! he IS an italian car so it would make sense if he adopted the accent too.

Jason. wrote:Hey i just found another thing! If you look in this trailer at 0:15 seconds, You will see a military tank behind Mirage which looks like decpticon Brawl or Buldgeon. You will also see that Mirage is pointing out his swords "knives, etc" to a soilder fallen on the ground. And behind the soilder look at the right side bottom of your PC screen you will see soilders aiming at mirage with some of their weapons.
This means that the transformer with red colour is not Mirage but a Decpticon Or, This must be shot at that time when Mirage just reached earth and the military is surrounded him so that mirage dosen't run away or destroy anything. OR, They must have surrounded mirage to make sure that he is an autobot or a decpticon. Same thing also happened to bumblebee when he was caught by sector 7 agents. Btw, We just need to see the movie to figure it out.

or maybe Mirage is stopping them from being up to no good. Ive heard that a some humans are in alliance with decepticons and could be doing some of their dirty work. He could be scaring them or maybe he'll disarm them without hurting them.

BeastProwl wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:OMFG!
If you go back to when seibertron posted the trailer with mirage in it and read my comment. I totally called it! Italian Accent!
I shoulda put money down on that one!
Bay and his F*ckinf Steriotypes!

How is it a stereotype. Ferraris come from Italy, if a person came from Italy and spoke English, he'd have an Italian accent. Why do all the robots need to sound American?

okay, lets say he comes to earth and scans a ferrari. theres no guarantee he'll land in italy, he may as well just haave scanned it in amarica, its not the fact that it's Italian that bugs me, it's the fact that it's an italian car, given an Italian accent.
to me that's very steriotypical because he probably landed at optimus' location he vetted to earth, and the humans who are fighting him are iraqy-lookin not italian, sooo....
well, lets just wait for the film okay?
still. an Italian assassin? were have I seen that before?

tell no
one

If you read the first novel, when Optimus met Sam for the first time he spoke to him in Chinese because it came up as the most spoken language in the world. Kind of stupid that they would figure that out, but wouldn't default to speaking english because they were in America. That being said I can see Mirage or whatever he's called realizing he is based on an Italian car and scanning information about Italy.

Besides, Mirage is a stupid choice for the Italia's name any way.

BeastProwl wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:OMFG!
If you go back to when seibertron posted the trailer with mirage in it and read my comment. I totally called it! Italian Accent!
I shoulda put money down on that one!
Bay and his F*ckinf Steriotypes!

How is it a stereotype. Ferraris come from Italy, if a person came from Italy and spoke English, he'd have an Italian accent. Why do all the robots need to sound American?

okay, lets say he comes to earth and scans a ferrari. theres no guarantee he'll land in italy, he may as well just haave scanned it in amarica, its not the fact that it's Italian that bugs me, it's the fact that it's an italian car, given an Italian accent.
to me that's very steriotypical because he probably landed at optimus' location he vetted to earth, and the humans who are fighting him are iraqy-lookin not italian, sooo....
well, lets just wait for the film okay?
still. an Italian assassin? were have I seen that before?

tell no
one

Holy mother of hell. This just dawned on me. Mirage is a Cybertronian Ezio!!! He just needs a white hood! That's why Megatron's toy comes with a hood so we could piece it all together! Hasbro, you are a genius!!!

ten bucks says he wont even have a name in the movie, and will only be known by the regular joe as the red autobot who was in that one scene with the swords..... its sideswipe all over again, except this time they wont even mention a name..

shamone wrote:I am not going to make any rash or harsh judgments regarding dotm or the characters names or changs until i have seen the flick. Gone into the previous two with open mind and will do same again.

shamone, we may not have always seen eye to eye, but for once i am in 100% agreeance with you. What you said is perfect.

Autobot Megatron wrote:Uhg. I can deal with him being Italian, but can we just name him Mirage and not be such an... tailpipe (I don't know, I'm trying to be PG) about it. Come on. Please.
Anyways, if it is, I'm guessing Mario, Luigi, or Leo-Car-Do Divinci, like someone already said.

WHY???? WHY CAN'T YOU BE STRAIGHT WITH US?!?!?!!?!?!

You know why these misinformations campagains exsist? Cause so many of you are so damn hell bent on finding out every little aspect of the movie before hand, that enevidiable gets ruined for others. ya, Nelsona nd Bay have mis-informed us in the past, but you know what? For the most part its to try and keep what hasn't already been revieled a secert for those that would like to be surprised on opening day.

Starscream GaGa wrote: With the Twins being in all the adaptions, on set, in the first trailer, in Wave 1 toys and then mentioned in the review (although later revised with the half-assed "I meant the other robots, who are in no way Twins, I just said they were because I was... confused") and the fact that they are once again trying an also debunked misinformation campaign, I can confidently say I don't believe a word that these people are saying.

As far as the twins go, Paramount and hasbro have has released press statements that the Twins will not be in the 3rd movie. (I'll wait till the movie comes out, but at this point i don't see why they would go this much out of thier way to anounce a character not being in the movie when they know for a fact they will be) Becides, there have been several characters that have apeared in comic book adaptions, but not the final movies. Also, how many toys have been released of characters in the first wave that never made it to the big screen? So both those don't confirm anything at this point.

5150 Cruiser wrote:As far as the twins go, Paramount and hasbro have has released press statements that the Twins will not be in the 3rd movie. (I'll wait till the movie comes out, but at this point i don't see why they would go this much out of thier way to anounce a character not being in the movie when they know for a fact they will be) Becides, there have been several characters that have apeared in comic book adaptions, but not the final movies. Also, how many toys have been released of characters in the first wave that never made it to the big screen? So both those don't confirm anything at this point.

But also consider this: The four characters Nelson mentions are Skids, Mudflap, Wheeljack and Mirage. All of whom die.

To me it seems they're desperately trying to cover up character deaths so they don't lose shock value.

El Duque wrote:Plus there are a lot of inconsistencies between the comics and movies. In "Rising Storm" Wheeljack clearly has a G1 inspired head, in the movie he looks like Einstein.

To answer this whole inconsistencies between "Rising Storm" and the look in the movies. In "Rising Storm," Wheeljack and Mirage are critically wounded and Ratchet makes that whole statement about being able to fix them, but they will never look or be the same. This would explain the difference in look between the different iterations of the movie-verse for these two. I too was concerned until I read that line...

Now to discuss this whole Mirage not Ferrari, Nelson/Bay misinformation stuff. I also believe that "wait and see" is going to be the best solution, as others have stated. Yes Nelson was a jerk in his delivery, but what do you expect from Hollywood bigwigs that hate when all their secrets exposed? Not saying it was justifiable to do so, but you have to learn to ignore people like that.

yeah if anyone has read the movie novel it is stated that the ferrari is mirage

He also once stated that Sentinel Prime wasn't Sentinel Prime earlier on. he's a total liar.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

shamone wrote:I am not going to make any rash or harsh judgments regarding dotm or the characters names or changs until i have seen the flick. Gone into the previous two with open mind and will do same again.

shamone, we may not have always seen eye to eye, but for once i am in 100% agreeance with you. What you said is perfect.

Autobot Megatron wrote:Uhg. I can deal with him being Italian, but can we just name him Mirage and not be such an... tailpipe (I don't know, I'm trying to be PG) about it. Come on. Please.
Anyways, if it is, I'm guessing Mario, Luigi, or Leo-Car-Do Divinci, like someone already said.

WHY???? WHY CAN'T YOU BE STRAIGHT WITH US?!?!?!!?!?!

You know why these misinformations campagains exsist? Cause so many of you are so damn hell bent on finding out every little aspect of the movie before hand, that enevidiable gets ruined for others. ya, Nelsona nd Bay have mis-informed us in the past, but you know what? For the most part its to try and keep what hasn't already been revieled a secert for those that would like to be surprised on opening day.

Starscream GaGa wrote: With the Twins being in all the adaptions, on set, in the first trailer, in Wave 1 toys and then mentioned in the review (although later revised with the half-assed "I meant the other robots, who are in no way Twins, I just said they were because I was... confused") and the fact that they are once again trying an also debunked misinformation campaign, I can confidently say I don't believe a word that these people are saying.

As far as the twins go, Paramount and hasbro have has released press statements that the Twins will not be in the 3rd movie. (I'll wait till the movie comes out, but at this point i don't see why they would go this much out of thier way to anounce a character not being in the movie when they know for a fact they will be) Becides, there have been several characters that have apeared in comic book adaptions, but not the final movies. Also, how many toys have been released of characters in the first wave that never made it to the big screen? So both those don't confirm anything at this point.

wow always an exception to the rule right

the name isnt importnat really. if he has a stereotypical accent that it may be an issue, depends on what he is saying, if i hear "now thats a spicey meatball", im walking out

Starscream GaGa wrote: But also consider this: The four characters Nelson mentions are Skids, Mudflap, Wheeljack and Mirage. All of whom die.

To me it seems they're desperately trying to cover up character deaths so they don't lose shock value.

And there's nothing wrong with that. If everyone knows whats going to happen before hand, you bet thats going to hurt the bottom line dollar. many people aren't going to want to go see a movie when they know all of the secrets before hand. I don't blame bay or Nelson at this point. They've worked there butts off for the last year and it seems everything is starting to come unraveled toward the end cause a few people (I'm not saying you Starscream GaGa) can't just leave well enough alone and need to be spoon feed every detail of this movie. Then when those that have read the novel/prequel etc. come out with all the secrets, Bay and Co. make an attempt to try and keep some of them a surprise, people get all butt hurt, call bay every name in the book, and continue to ruin the movie for everyone by posting details of the new movie without spoiler tags!! (again, not aimed at you Starscream GaGa).

I just don't get why people just can't sit back and wait for the movie.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote: But also consider this: The four characters Nelson mentions are Skids, Mudflap, Wheeljack and Mirage. All of whom die.

To me it seems they're desperately trying to cover up character deaths so they don't lose shock value.

And there's nothing wrong with that. If everyone knows whats going to happen before hand, you bet thats going to hurt the bottom line dollar. many people aren't going to want to go see a movie when they know all of the secrets before hand. I don't blame bay or Nelson at this point. They've worked there butts off for the last year and it seems everything is starting to come unraveled toward the end cause a few people (I'm not saying you Starscream GaGa) can't just leave well enough alone and need to be spoon feed every detail of this movie. Then when those that have read the novel/prequel etc. come out with all the secrets, Bay and Co. make an attempt to try and keep some of them a surprise, people get all butt hurt, call bay every name in the book, and continue to ruin the movie for everyone by posting details of the new movie without spoiler tags!! (again, not aimed at you Starscream GaGa).

I just don't get why people just can't sit back and wait for the movie.

I agree on some points. Personally, I don't care for spoilers and enjoy being genually surpised in the theater. But, I don't think that a few spoilers will deter anyone from going to see the movie. All of the he said, she said, Nelson said talk annoy me more than the spoilers themselves.

amcgrath929 wrote: I agree on some points. Personally, I don't care for spoilers and enjoy being genually surpised in the theater. But, I don't think that a few spoilers will deter anyone from going to see the movie. All of the he said, she said, Nelson said talk annoy me more than the spoilers themselves.

True. Small things such as knowing who's going to be in the movie probabaly isn't that big of a deal.(unless its a key plot point) But lately people have been posting up some major spoilers without spoiler tags. Then when Bay and Co. try and debunk some of this stuff before it gets to out of hand, people go on this missions to prove them wrong I don't think thats fair. I agree to some extent that Nelson doesn't need to be so much of a jerk in the way he talks, but to a degree i don't blame him. After view Bay's web site shootfortheedit.com , being constantly nagged about bots idenity, several threads on the twins, Ferrari, how pissed they are cause Megatron wasn't shown in the trailer, whats that little spot in this freeze frame of the trailer?? OMG, its desert brawl! Why is he in the movie when...yada yada yada. You get the point. He's tired of it. Its the same crap over and over. People ask the same questions, and asume everything. even if they get the answers. Look at the whole twins debate...
Bay, Nelson and more importantly, Hasbro and Paramount all have released offical statements that the twins will not be in the movie, yet people still want to call them all liars and believe what they want. So its a no win situation.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

amcgrath929 wrote: I agree on some points. Personally, I don't care for spoilers and enjoy being genually surpised in the theater. But, I don't think that a few spoilers will deter anyone from going to see the movie. All of the he said, she said, Nelson said talk annoy me more than the spoilers themselves.

True. Small things such as knowing who's going to be in the movie probabaly isn't that big of a deal.(unless its a key plot point) But lately people have been posting up some major spoilers without spoiler tags. Then when Bay and Co. try and debunk some of this stuff before it gets to out of hand, people go on this missions to prove them wrong I don't think thats fair. I agree to some extent that Nelson doesn't need to be so much of a jerk in the way he talks, but to a degree i don't blame him. After view Bay's web site shootfortheedit.com , being constantly nagged about bots idenity, several threads on the twins, Ferrari, how pissed they are cause Megatron wasn't shown in the trailer, whats that little spot in this freeze frame of the trailer?? OMG, its desert brawl! Why is he in the movie when...yada yada yada. You get the point. He's tired of it. Its the same crap over and over. People ask the same questions, and asume everything. even if they get the answers. Look at the whole twins debate...
Bay, Nelson and more importantly, Hasbro and Paramount all have released offical statements that the twins will not be in the movie, yet people still want to call them all liars and believe what they want. So its a no win situation.

Oh yeah, I understand where you are coming from and I can agree that I definitely wouldn't want to be in Nelson or Bay's shoes(unless I received their salary ). I try to avoid threads completely that look like they could even have the slightest spoiler. It's hard sometimes though.

As far as the twins go, I will actualy be more disappointed if they are not in the film. I realize people went crazy over them (and not in a good way) but like it or not they were a huge part of ROTF. To just right them off in DOTM just seems like a waste to me. I know a lot of people are happy about it but i don't think it will be any better without them. I do not see Mirage, Wheeljack, or any of the other new autobots getting very much characterization in this movie. Especially since the cast is already quite large, Sideswipe still is a 2-liner, and we have to tie this trilogy up in a little over 2 hours. Anyway, I'm done venting & I'm still looking forward to the movie.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote: But also consider this: The four characters Nelson mentions are Skids, Mudflap, Wheeljack and Mirage. All of whom die.

To me it seems they're desperately trying to cover up character deaths so they don't lose shock value.

And there's nothing wrong with that. If everyone knows whats going to happen before hand, you bet thats going to hurt the bottom line dollar. many people aren't going to want to go see a movie when they know all of the secrets before hand. I don't blame bay or Nelson at this point. They've worked there butts off for the last year and it seems everything is starting to come unraveled toward the end cause a few people (I'm not saying you Starscream GaGa) can't just leave well enough alone and need to be spoon feed every detail of this movie. Then when those that have read the novel/prequel etc. come out with all the secrets, Bay and Co. make an attempt to try and keep some of them a surprise, people get all butt hurt, call bay every name in the book, and continue to ruin the movie for everyone by posting details of the new movie without spoiler tags!! (again, not aimed at you Starscream GaGa).

I just don't get why people just can't sit back and wait for the movie.

again agreed.

i stumbled across the major spoliers here, and im disappointed. Im not saying movies were going to be great, but i do lik element of susprise in events in the mnvie


And as much as i ahte the twins, they should be in movie, even if it is to sacrifice them in first scene.

SlyTF1 wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:OMFG!
If you go back to when seibertron posted the trailer with mirage in it and read my comment. I totally called it! Italian Accent!
I shoulda put money down on that one!
Bay and his F*ckinf Steriotypes!

How is it a stereotype. Ferraris come from Italy, if a person came from Italy and spoke English, he'd have an Italian accent. Why do all the robots need to sound American?

okay, lets say he comes to earth and scans a ferrari. theres no guarantee he'll land in italy, he may as well just haave scanned it in amarica, its not the fact that it's Italian that bugs me, it's the fact that it's an italian car, given an Italian accent.
to me that's very steriotypical because he probably landed at optimus' location he vetted to earth, and the humans who are fighting him are iraqy-lookin not italian, sooo....
well, lets just wait for the film okay?
still. an Italian assassin? were have I seen that before?

tell no
one

Holy mother of hell. This just dawned on me. Mirage is a Cybertronian Ezio!!! He just needs a white hood! That's why Megatron's toy comes with a hood so we could piece it all together! Hasbro, you are a genius!!!

That's the funniest comparison ever! I love it!

TheDownshift wrote:

NatsumeRyu wrote:Ezio.

Or! wait,
blue Spy!!!


LOL

I swear to god, if I saw a Ferrari-bot doing parkour, then swandive off a building while stabbing 2 random Decepticons in the neck, the floor of the theater will be a WHOLE lot stickier.

Of course he will. Note the blades on either arm.


XD

okay does everyone forget that the transformers do even speak english until they scan the internet? they made that clear in the 1st movie when sam asked optimus how come Jazz talks like well...Jazz.

My theory(Might spoil):
Mirage(yes im going to refer to the ferrari-bot as Mirage)scans the ferrari and picks upthe italian acccent with it. he then transforms and begins to drive towards optimus and the other autobots.As mirage is driving,the foreign "bad guys" are chasing him in a tank(tank from trailer).He keeps driving until the "baddies" stop him at a roadblock.New to humans,mirage transforms and pulls out his blades and threatens the humans to not touch him.the "bad guys" stand there in fear as optimus and mabye some american soldiers arrive on the scene and sort things out.

Let the speculation end! nelson has revealed the name of the Ferrari 458 Italia. Click here for his original post on Shoot for the Edit.

His name is "Dino."

It's pronounced Dee-No.

Why Dino?

It's a homage to the son of Ferrari's founder. It was also the codename of the 458 while they were designing it.

Click here for more info on this topic.

So there you have it, Mirage is now Dino.

How lame, I hope it's a lie, and it's still Mirage.

Wait... what?

El Duque wrote:Let the speculation end! nelson has revealed the red Ferrari's name. Click here for his original post on Shoot for the Edit.

His name is "Dino."

It's pronounced Dee-No.

Why Dino?

It's a homage to the son of Ferrari's founder. It was also the codename of the 458 while they were designing it.

So there you have it, Mirage is now Dino.

SlyTF1 wrote:

El Duque wrote:Let the speculation end! nelson has revealed the red Ferrari's name. Click here for his original post on Shoot for the Edit.

His name is "Dino."

It's pronounced Dee-No.

Why Dino?

It's a homage to the son of Ferrari's founder. It was also the codename of the 458 while they were designing it.

So there you have it, Mirage is now Dino.

Fixed that for you.