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by **Autobot Smokescreen** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:14 pm

There was no evidence that smokescreen , skids, sunstreaker, sideswipe , hound, tracks, grapple, hoist, trailbreaker ,mirage , inferno, red alert, and bluestreak died in the great war so where were there in season 3 and 4 . Anyone with answers or ideas ?

by **RailRider** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:49 pm

In the origional scripts and art plans, it is Smokescreen not Wheeljack who is 1 of the wounded/dead being pulled around after the Prime/Megs fight. Look on wikipedia about this (either on the page about the film or specific charactors). It is thought that Wheeljack should be one of the survivors.

I only know about the Wheeljack/Smokescreen error.

by **Khaotika** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:58 pm

Red Alert supposedly bought the farm in the Movie storyboards.

by **Goribus** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:45 pm

Khaotika wrote:Red Alert supposedly bought the farm in the Movie storyboards.

If you watch the deleted scenes in the 20th anniversy addition to the movie they show him getting blown apart before he could get inside Ultra Magnus' car hauler.

As far as the others the reason is pretty simple. Their all wave 1 and 2 toys and therefore not on the toy shelves for Season 3 and Headmasters.

Many argue that a few of them didn't die as they pop up in animation errors and in the Japanese shows. A charector resembling Brawn appears in Carnage in C Minor (I think it was a miscolored Outback but I've never been able to watch that episode longer then when the aliens start talking), and Wheeljack is one of the Autobots who help rebuild Ginrai into Victory Leo. I'm sure there are other examples.

by **Khaotika** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:48 pm

Goribus wrote:
Khaotika wrote:Red Alert supposedly bought the farm in the Movie storyboards.

If you watch the deleted scenes in the 20th anniversy addition to the movie they show him getting blown apart before he could get inside Ultra Magnus' car hauler.

I saw it, and refused to believe it; he's too paranoid to let that happen. I just know he's somewhere on Cybertron worrying himself to death.

by **Predaprince** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:28 pm

Khaotika wrote:
Goribus wrote:
Khaotika wrote:Red Alert supposedly bought the farm in the Movie storyboards.

If you watch the deleted scenes in the 20th anniversy addition to the movie they show him getting blown apart before he could get inside Ultra Magnus' car hauler.

I saw it, and refused to believe it; he's too paranoid to let that happen. I just know he's somewhere on Cybertron worrying himself to death.

Yes, that does sound like him.