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Return staff lessens the chance of the usual TF rehash, "no this is different from that" crap that has made me loose any and all interst in canon

Man, this in addition to the very soon release date has me thinking they started making the sequel before the first film even wrapped...

Let's just hope it doesn't disappoint.

Burn wrote:As for Ehren Kruger ... what a suprise, a lot of people didn't like his stuff yet I did. Personally I LOVED The Skeleton Key, thought it was one of the best thriller movies in a while. Scream 3 ... well it redeemed the Scream trilogy after the god awfully predictability of Scream 2.

And Arlington Road was a great movie if you haven't seen it.

If they kill Optimus i'll be angry and sad

Oh please not them again...
And Ehren Kruger isn't much of a stellar addition to the team...
and as far as impressive knowledge goes?
*coughwikipediacough* Who doesn't do a little research before going for a job interview?

I was thoroughly impressed by the first one (even though I expected to be let down).

I have the same expectations (neither better, nor worse) for the second one.

I'm all for this, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

SoooTrypticon wrote:Yeah, yeah, but the movie still sucked. But I'm ready for it this time. I'll buy all my tickets for Wall-e (the new and already better Pixar film- Which will have much cooler robots. I know this because it's made by Pixar, not hacks) and go see the sequel having payed Pixar good money.

Oh, wait. Transformers is 2009... not 2008. (Remember, summer 2008, a movie better than TINO2 comes out).

Bring on the Bumble-pee lil' bitches!

trypti's back.
awesome.

Seibertron wrote:

tile_mcgillus wrote:I think you are trying to be a realist. However, It seem more like a case of lowered expectations.

It's my response to people saying the Transformers movie seemed like a 2 hour toy commercial, which is apparently bad in their opinion. I personally don't feel that way. I was actually very surprised at how seriously the movie folks took the Transformers franchise. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and if that's what a 2 hour toy commercial looks like, then sign me right up for #2 and #3. I'm game for another 4 hours of toy commercials if that's what people want to call them.

I believe I'm looking at the facts that time has ultimately revealed about the Transformers brand. I think the movie folks went beyond the call of duty and did far more with the Transformers brand than I ever expected anyone to do. If the movie experience from the past 4.5 years has done anything to my thought process about the Transformers ... it's opened my eyes to looking at the Transformers brand as a business process. With every decision the powers-that-be make with this brand, I try to ponder why they made that decision. It certainly is never to piss us off, which many fans would have you believe. There's always a reason and I find myself wondering more and more about the real-world business decisions that drive this hobby more than wishing that someone would treat Transformers like Star Wars.

Maybe it's because I've met or know so many official people in the hobby so it's difficult for me not to think like that. Instead of wondering why IDW or Dreamworks or Hasbro made a decision to do something a certain way like I did a few years ago, I now ponder things like "wow, I wonder who was in the meeting where that was decided" or "I wonder why Robby Musso used that approach to tell this part of the story" or envisioning Tom and Don pitching the movie to Hollywood or Brian Goldner in a meeting with Michael Bay discussing this or that decision about the movie or Aaron Archer and his crew at Hasbro talking about the next series or pitching their new ideas to their bosses or picturing the Activision guys discussing parts of the game development process at their offices. The more people I meet, the more fascinated I become with the actual process behind this brand.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Transformers on that huge epic Star Wars scale. But that's not the formula that has made Transformers work for the past 23 years. So I guess I am being a realist. I don't consider that lowering my expectations. Transformers is a toy line. It will always be a toy line. Everything about the Transformers will ultimately be geared toward maintaining and/or increasing product sales related to the Transformers brand.

It is what it is. And that doesn't mean that it's a bad thing.

I understand your perspective. Looking at things, particularily cinema, from a money standpoint changes your perspective. Some of my favorite movies are huge financial disappointments and others mega hits. That viewpoint alters your perception. Business is Business and it always finds a way to intertwine itself with art. But when the artists are not there for the love of the material or the possibility of greatness and show up for the money, you get the safe mediocre choice.

I do not think anyone here is denying the origin of Transformers. I think we just want something that aspires for greatness while recognizing the brilliant of the source material.

From what we have seen previously from these writers...it does not look promising.

As for the first film. It is no secret my distaste for it and your love for it as well. Where you see a successful business plan I see a disjointed, studio interfered mess.

I guess by keeping the same writers we will get more of the same. Where I'm forever disappointed, your able to see Transformers grow exponentially businesswise.

Im all for the second movie. im so sick of fanboys chanting how eveyrthing is wrong if it doesntfit their own vision.

Toyotus Superion wrote:Im all for the second movie. im so sick of fanboys chanting how eveyrthing is wrong if it doesntfit their own vision.

They feel the same way about your point of view.

It is a mutual distaste.

Well, let's just get out the handbags-with-bricks-in-them and settle this once and for all!

-Nick

tile_mcgillus wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

tile_mcgillus wrote:I think you are trying to be a realist. However, It seem more like a case of lowered expectations.

It's my response to people saying the Transformers movie seemed like a 2 hour toy commercial, which is apparently bad in their opinion. I personally don't feel that way. I was actually very surprised at how seriously the movie folks took the Transformers franchise. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and if that's what a 2 hour toy commercial looks like, then sign me right up for #2 and #3. I'm game for another 4 hours of toy commercials if that's what people want to call them.

I believe I'm looking at the facts that time has ultimately revealed about the Transformers brand. I think the movie folks went beyond the call of duty and did far more with the Transformers brand than I ever expected anyone to do. If the movie experience from the past 4.5 years has done anything to my thought process about the Transformers ... it's opened my eyes to looking at the Transformers brand as a business process. With every decision the powers-that-be make with this brand, I try to ponder why they made that decision. It certainly is never to piss us off, which many fans would have you believe. There's always a reason and I find myself wondering more and more about the real-world business decisions that drive this hobby more than wishing that someone would treat Transformers like Star Wars.

Maybe it's because I've met or know so many official people in the hobby so it's difficult for me not to think like that. Instead of wondering why IDW or Dreamworks or Hasbro made a decision to do something a certain way like I did a few years ago, I now ponder things like "wow, I wonder who was in the meeting where that was decided" or "I wonder why Robby Musso used that approach to tell this part of the story" or envisioning Tom and Don pitching the movie to Hollywood or Brian Goldner in a meeting with Michael Bay discussing this or that decision about the movie or Aaron Archer and his crew at Hasbro talking about the next series or pitching their new ideas to their bosses or picturing the Activision guys discussing parts of the game development process at their offices. The more people I meet, the more fascinated I become with the actual process behind this brand.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Transformers on that huge epic Star Wars scale. But that's not the formula that has made Transformers work for the past 23 years. So I guess I am being a realist. I don't consider that lowering my expectations. Transformers is a toy line. It will always be a toy line. Everything about the Transformers will ultimately be geared toward maintaining and/or increasing product sales related to the Transformers brand.

It is what it is. And that doesn't mean that it's a bad thing.

I understand your perspective. Looking at things, particularily cinema, from a money standpoint changes your perspective. Some of my favorite movies are huge financial disappointments and others mega hits. That viewpoint alters your perception. Business is Business and it always finds a way to intertwine itself with art. But when the artists are not there for the love of the material or the possibility of greatness and show up for the money, you get the safe mediocre choice.

I do not think anyone here is denying the origin of Transformers. I think we just want something that aspires for greatness while recognizing the brilliant of the source material.

From what we have seen previously from these writers...it does not look promising.

As for the first film. It is no secret my distaste for it and your love for it as well. Where you see a successful business plan I see a disjointed, studio interfered mess.

I guess by keeping the same writers we will get more of the same. Where I'm forever disappointed, your able to see Transformers grow exponentially businesswise.

Could not have said it better myself. Commercial successes is of course beneficial to the franchise and it's longevity however as a fan you have to ask yourself am I satisfied with, inspired by, comfortable with, a fan of the means in which they have archived that success? If the answer is no, which for me it most defiantly is, then all that success has done for the franchise is move it further away from what you enjoyed about it in the first place.

Yours AK

sorry zarak, ak wins the new voice of reason poster..
at least for today.

I got caught a little off guard (I'm tired probably that’s why) when I read “a DreamWorks serial-killer project that sees Kruger adapting a Thomas Perry novel"

I thought Freddy Kruger was going to be adapting a Thomas Perry novel and I thought wow that sounds stupid especially after something as entertaining as Freddy vs. Jason. Now that was a decently done vs. movie between two cheesy (but cool) 80's killers. (I double taked and caught that it wasn't Freddy but some other Kruger. My bad)

Anyway it’s good that just about everyone from the last movie is going to be back. I hate when sequels get written by a different director. Most of the time the second guy screws some things up, making continuity errors, etc.

As for you people complaining about the 1st movie. Get over yourselves, Christ it’s been 3 months now. SHUT UP ALREADY. I've dealt with a lot of you bitching since more than a year ago when designs leaked.

Seriously get over it. It’s a god damned movie. No one in real life died because of it, and if you don't like the movie, well too bad apparently enough people liked it for it to make the number 20 spot on the top grossing films in the US. Transformers isn't Shakespeare, or even star wars, so go cry about "a good plot" to yourself.

It started as a freaking toy commercial, what do you expect? Star wars but with transforming robots? You need to either accept the fact that Transformers, while awesome in their own right, won't be a masterpiece like some of you wanted.

Movies are for entertainment, and whether you like one kind of entertainment or not, there are others in your place who like what you don't and don't like what you like.

I myself was disappointed with the movie in some aspects, because I would have preferred something a bit more G1 oriented, and I concede I bashed the designs for maybe a little over 3 months, back when we saw starscream and megatron. But it became immediately apparent how dumb it was to argue over what was going to be a freaking toy. But I still enjoyed watching the movie. Did I care about the changes to the overall mythos? Maybe a little, but I hardly noticed that after I got out of the theater. I walked in with the expectations of a good sci-fi/action movie and I got what I wanted, even if the story was "meh"

A word of advice to many of you, don't go into a movie you're a big fan of if you know a good chunk of it is different from what you're used to. Go in expecting a typical sci-fi/action movie, and you'll probably walk out more satisfied then sitting there critiquing the entire movie in your head. It quite sad really that some people actually considered boycotting the film all together because of things like "Megatron's poopy design" (HE WAS IN THE MOVIE FOR MAYBE 10 MINUTES. WOW YOU'RE GONNA LET 10 MINUTES SPOIL THE WHOLE THING FOR YOU. Maybe you're better off playing with toys again because you're being a god damn Baby.)

My rant is over. Flame me if you want. I really don't care what you have to say about me, or my post. Constructive and positive criticism I'll read, but all the needless bitching, whining, etc, really makes me wish I had nothing to do with a fan base that’s even more volatile and rowdy than star wars fans.

So if you excuse me, while some of you are still trying to deal with the disappointment you felt about movie 1, by venting unnecessary anger on "teh internets" I'll be looking forward to sitting through a good action flick in '09.
Cheers, and again have fun crying over spilt milk,
-Head Shot.

Everybody is awfully negative Im just glad a TFTM2 is coming out!

Deceptiwho? wrote:Everybody is awfully negative Im just glad a TFTM2 is coming out!

See at least you're optimistic, so many other people are already condemning the movie. I swear give it like half a year and we'll have mass panic on the boards because of some little thing.... again.

I too am looking forward to another tf movie, so cheers to that my friend!

Head Shot wrote:I got caught a little off guard (I'm tired probably that’s why) when I read “a DreamWorks serial-killer project that sees Kruger adapting a Thomas Perry novel"

I thought Freddy Kruger was going to be adapting a Thomas Perry novel and I thought wow that sounds stupid especially after something as entertaining as Freddy vs. Jason. Now that was a decently done vs. movie between two cheesy (but cool) 80's killers. (I double taked and caught that it wasn't Freddy but some other Kruger. My bad)

Anyway it’s good that just about everyone from the last movie is going to be back. I hate when sequels get written by a different director. Most of the time the second guy screws some things up, making continuity errors, etc.

As for you people complaining about the 1st movie. Get over yourselves, Christ it’s been 3 months now. SHUT UP ALREADY. I've dealt with a lot of you bitching since more than a year ago when designs leaked.

Seriously get over it. It’s a god damned movie. No one in real life died because of it, and if you don't like the movie, well too bad apparently enough people liked it for it to make the number 20 spot on the top grossing films in the US. Transformers isn't Shakespeare, or even star wars, so go cry about "a good plot" to yourself.

It started as a freaking toy commercial, what do you expect? Star wars but with transforming robots? You need to either accept the fact that Transformers, while awesome in their own right, won't be a masterpiece like some of you wanted.

Movies are for entertainment, and whether you like one kind of entertainment or not, there are others in your place who like what you don't and don't like what you like.

I myself was disappointed with the movie in some aspects, because I would have preferred something a bit more G1 oriented, and I concede I bashed the designs for maybe a little over 3 months, back when we saw starscream and megatron. But it became immediately apparent how dumb it was to argue over what was going to be a freaking toy. But I still enjoyed watching the movie. Did I care about the changes to the overall mythos? Maybe a little, but I hardly noticed that after I got out of the theater. I walked in with the expectations of a good sci-fi/action movie and I got what I wanted, even if the story was "meh"

A word of advice to many of you, don't go into a movie you're a big fan of if you know a good chunk of it is different from what you're used to. Go in expecting a typical sci-fi/action movie, and you'll probably walk out more satisfied then sitting there critiquing the entire movie in your head. It quite sad really that some people actually considered boycotting the film all together because of things like "Megatron's poopy design" (HE WAS IN THE MOVIE FOR MAYBE 10 MINUTES. WOW YOU'RE GONNA LET 10 MINUTES SPOIL THE WHOLE THING FOR YOU. Maybe you're better off playing with toys again because you're being a god damn Baby.)

My rant is over. Flame me if you want. I really don't care what you have to say about me, or my post. Constructive and positive criticism I'll read, but all the needless bitching, whining, etc, really makes me wish I had nothing to do with a fan base that’s even more volatile and rowdy than star wars fans.

So if you excuse me, while some of you are still trying to deal with the disappointment you felt about movie 1, by venting unnecessary anger on "teh internets" I'll be looking forward to sitting through a good action flick in '09.
Cheers, and again have fun crying over spilt milk,
-Head Shot.

The "We shouldn't expect quality argument" followed by the "Too good to care to respond technique". Classic internets.

tile_mcgillus wrote:

Head Shot wrote:I got caught a little off guard (I'm tired probably that’s why) when I read “a DreamWorks serial-killer project that sees Kruger adapting a Thomas Perry novel"

I thought Freddy Kruger was going to be adapting a Thomas Perry novel and I thought wow that sounds stupid especially after something as entertaining as Freddy vs. Jason. Now that was a decently done vs. movie between two cheesy (but cool) 80's killers. (I double taked and caught that it wasn't Freddy but some other Kruger. My bad)

Anyway it’s good that just about everyone from the last movie is going to be back. I hate when sequels get written by a different director. Most of the time the second guy screws some things up, making continuity errors, etc.

As for you people complaining about the 1st movie. Get over yourselves, Christ it’s been 3 months now. SHUT UP ALREADY. I've dealt with a lot of you bitching since more than a year ago when designs leaked.

Seriously get over it. It’s a god damned movie. No one in real life died because of it, and if you don't like the movie, well too bad apparently enough people liked it for it to make the number 20 spot on the top grossing films in the US. Transformers isn't Shakespeare, or even star wars, so go cry about "a good plot" to yourself.

It started as a freaking toy commercial, what do you expect? Star wars but with transforming robots? You need to either accept the fact that Transformers, while awesome in their own right, won't be a masterpiece like some of you wanted.

Movies are for entertainment, and whether you like one kind of entertainment or not, there are others in your place who like what you don't and don't like what you like.

I myself was disappointed with the movie in some aspects, because I would have preferred something a bit more G1 oriented, and I concede I bashed the designs for maybe a little over 3 months, back when we saw starscream and megatron. But it became immediately apparent how dumb it was to argue over what was going to be a freaking toy. But I still enjoyed watching the movie. Did I care about the changes to the overall mythos? Maybe a little, but I hardly noticed that after I got out of the theater. I walked in with the expectations of a good sci-fi/action movie and I got what I wanted, even if the story was "meh"

A word of advice to many of you, don't go into a movie you're a big fan of if you know a good chunk of it is different from what you're used to. Go in expecting a typical sci-fi/action movie, and you'll probably walk out more satisfied then sitting there critiquing the entire movie in your head. It quite sad really that some people actually considered boycotting the film all together because of things like "Megatron's poopy design" (HE WAS IN THE MOVIE FOR MAYBE 10 MINUTES. WOW YOU'RE GONNA LET 10 MINUTES SPOIL THE WHOLE THING FOR YOU. Maybe you're better off playing with toys again because you're being a god damn Baby.)

My rant is over. Flame me if you want. I really don't care what you have to say about me, or my post. Constructive and positive criticism I'll read, but all the needless bitching, whining, etc, really makes me wish I had nothing to do with a fan base that’s even more volatile and rowdy than star wars fans.

So if you excuse me, while some of you are still trying to deal with the disappointment you felt about movie 1, by venting unnecessary anger on "teh internets" I'll be looking forward to sitting through a good action flick in '09.
Cheers, and again have fun crying over spilt milk,
-Head Shot.

The "We shouldn't expect quality argument" followed by the "Too good to care to respond technique". Classic internets.

We did get quality. An entertaining movie for everyone. The problem is some of us out there wanted something with as deep of a plot as Star Wars, and that simply won't happen with something that started as a toy commercial, that doesn't have as big of a fan base as star wars. Its unfortunate the plot wasn't that great, but are you really gonna let that ruin an entire movie for you when there are plenty of other things about the movie that were good. For instance the movie had alot of nice "eye candy" with the transformers, and then action sequences were all pretty good too. Sure the humor was cheap, but hey it worked alot better than I thought it would. (Bumblebee being a partial mute bar his "radio speak" is one example).

As for the "classic internets" I was hoping someone would pickup on that. Glad it only took 1 response.

Seibertron wrote:Ehren Kruger is an interesting choice. Here's his IMDB entry: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0472567/

"The Talisman" (2008) (mini) TV Series (pre-production) (screenplay)
Blood and Chocolate (2007) (screenplay)
The Brothers Grimm (2005) (written by)
The Skeleton Key (2005) (written by)
The Ring Two (2005) (written by)
Rings (2005) (V) (written by)
The Ring (2002) (screenplay)
Impostor (2002) (screenplay)
Reindeer Games (2000) (written by)
Scream 3 (2000) (written by)
New World Disorder (1999) (written by)
Arlington Road (1999) (written by)
Killers in the House (1998) (TV) (written by)

I'm glad to see the rest of the crew back on board. I think one of the worst things that could happen would for #2 to have a totally different feel than #1 (no bathroom jokes now). This is actually great news that they're already putting the team together for #2. We just might see this movie released on June 26th, 2009 afterall.

** Goes to fire off an email to one of the extreme powers that be in this list for consulting position for the movie **

I've not read any scripts of those films, but the ones from that list that I have seen felt like they were great scripts that were ruined by the rest of the crew when put on the screen.

Orci is a good thing since he actually converses and listens to us fans.

That's all I'm going to say about this since I don't want to get wrapped up in the normal chaos that is Transformers Movie Forum threads.

Note to self: quit reading the movie sequel threads. While I like the info and rumors, all they expose is that some people loved the movie, some people can live with it because it gives the brand exposure, and others hated it. Same arguments, different movie, different year.

I liked the first movie and am looking forward to more. 'Nuff said.