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by 009* » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:56 pm

Counterpunch wrote:LISTEN!

After further investigation today and consulting with my chemical engineer fiance, we have basically ascertained that the materials on the feet are brass.

Brass tarnishes. As best we can tell, this is not an issue of rust, but one of simple tarnish.

First try a tarnish cloth, the kind that you would use on a band instrument to simply wipe the junk off.

Best of luck! Crisis averted.

I thought brass was a different color, like a really dark yellow. Or am I thinking of bronze?

Anyway, I wiped mine down with vinegar and gave it some clear coat. Granted its the kind for Testor's enamel paint, not automotive or the Tamiya stuff, but I think it'll be fine. If not, I'll get something stronger and spray him again.

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:39 am

009* wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:LISTEN!

After further investigation today and consulting with my chemical engineer fiance, we have basically ascertained that the materials on the feet are brass.

Brass tarnishes. As best we can tell, this is not an issue of rust, but one of simple tarnish.

First try a tarnish cloth, the kind that you would use on a band instrument to simply wipe the junk off.

Best of luck! Crisis averted.

I thought brass was a different color, like a really dark yellow. Or am I thinking of bronze?

Anyway, I wiped mine down with vinegar and gave it some clear coat. Granted its the kind for Testor's enamel paint, not automotive or the Tamiya stuff, but I think it'll be fine. If not, I'll get something stronger and spray him again.

Just a warning to anyone clear coating...

You must cover the entire piece, leaving any open areas can concentrate the tarnishing and create spot damage over time.

Best course of action gang, is simple light polishing with no chemicals.

by **Evil FurryCon** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:01 am

Welp, rubbing with CRC gun oil took out all the brass colored
spots from the spine and any brownish **** off the feet!

Almost better than new! Some bronze colored spots were harder
to remove so I let them be!

Now I just haveta keep a closer eye on Megs and we'll see if the
oil protects it forever.... or just for the next 4 months!

by **zemper** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:19 am

just a curious question...will putting clearcoat on a TF affect it's value in the long run? i mean, will it be less valuable to collectors who want unmodified TFs? what do you guys think? :-?

News Credits: 26 · by **Wheeljack35** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:58 am

Damn I just checked mine and his are rusting also

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:06 am

zemper wrote:just a curious question...will putting clearcoat on a TF affect it's value in the long run? i mean, will it be less valuable to collectors who want unmodified TFs? what do you guys think?

Yes. Permenent modifications hurt value.

and people...It's not rust.

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:21 am

F***!
I just cheacked and it looks like myn's having a bad rust day coming up! :sad:

I'll have to start doing something against it by tomorow!

Edid:
F*** again!
It wasn't rust it was just the reflection of my room!
But how do I remove the pins in his feet?
Cos I can't atach them anymore! :shock:

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:25 pm

Counterpunch wrote:and people...It's not rust.

by **perithimus** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:31 pm

I just wiped mine down with a cloth and it's now shiny again.

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:36 pm

Counterpunch wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:and people...It's not rust.

I know it's not rust, but rust is a lot easier to spell then Chrome-iritathion (see), especially for me!

by **dasbear** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:37 pm

I would be interested to know if the ones that are rusting came with plugs. Mine had no plug nor do i have any rust. perhaps when they added those damn things, the boxes were opened up in not the best conditions. Like on a shipping dock.

News Credits: 1 · by **0ctane** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:15 pm

No, I got my MP-05 unplugged and brought it personally from singapore misb. seems that even the misb's are suffering with this problem aswell. thanks for the info guys, will try the cleaning cloth that CP mentioned, if that doesn't work then i'll whip out the WD-40 and clearcoat.

Masterpiece Megatron is such an awesome figure and I can think of no other TF rivaling my 20th OP. I like to have balance in my collection and so no matter what anyone says I'll always love my MP-05.

seems like this news made the front page too :grin:

go me!

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:08 am

dasbear wrote:I would be interested to know if the ones that are rusting came with plugs. Mine had no plug nor do i have any rust. perhaps when they added those damn things, the boxes were opened up in not the best conditions. Like on a shipping dock.

Oh Lord...

don't start that kind of nonsense talk.

by **Sonray** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:48 am

This is just soooooo ironic, but insane too.

I mean how cheap does that metal have to be in order for it to rust in so little time? And we are paying £80 for these things?!?! Freaking outrageous!!

Glad i dont have one yet.

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:57 pm

Sonray wrote:This is just soooooo ironic, but insane too.

I mean how cheap does that metal have to be in order for it to rust in so little time? And we are paying £80 for these things?!?! Freaking outrageous!!

Glad i dont have one yet.

It's not ironic at all.

It's the same thing that happens to $1000 brass musical instruments; they tarnish.

Literally 3-5 minutes of polishing with no chemicals, just a clean rag, fixes the problem.

by **Evil FurryCon** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:26 pm

But ya can't just polish it forever.. you haveta stop the rot
or Megs will have no feet left after polisihg them for
20 years.

I've never polished the original Meg's feet and they do
not rot away!

by **lanzajr26** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:28 pm

I would think a good wiping with WD-40 just once would help keep the problem at bay for a very long time.

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:37 pm

lanzajr26 wrote:I would think a good wiping with WD-40 just once would help keep the problem at bay for a very long time.

It depends on if the problem is in contact with the actual air, or if it is moisture dependent.

by **waylandcool** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:07 pm

Eradicator wrote:
skywarp-2 wrote:Well since it's late and I am bored and the fact there are only 2 pages thus far, I read through all the ideas... and yeah WD-40 is your best rust remover... the clear coat is a real critical choice, the best clear coat to buy in the Hobby world or any market for that matter is the Tamiya Flat clear coat..

Let me give you an example of how powerful this stuff is.....

Once apon a time there were only soft vinyl static Guyver model kits, and not the fine quality toys we have today, a young amatuer hobbyist with a little professional help succeeded in painting a Guyver 1 limited figure that was authentically MAX Factory....the Model came out wonderfully.. all that was left was to let it dry overnight and clean and paint a clear coat over the painted work of art..

The next day to the hobbyists horror the model was still sticky to the touch.. 3 days past and no change, to his dismay the amatuer hobbyist called the professional who preceded to explain that TESTORS ENAMEL paints are in no way suitable for Vinyl!!!! Acrylics is what is used for that
type of material..with a whole in his heart he asked if there was anything that he could do..???

The Professional replied, Yes!! let me tell you of a Product called Tamiya Clear coat....this should fix the problem, he said... and with heavy coats of clear coat and a days worth of drying..the model was finally "almost" entirely sticky free..!!!

I asked the Professional what would have happened over time had I left it without the clear coat?? he said he was amazed that it hadn't melted or degraded in some way.. that was 7 years ago, I still have that model, and I think that the only reason it is still in perfect condition is because it's held together completely by Tamiya Clear Coat...Now I freaking Swear by that stuff!!!

WOw...that stuff works pretty good I take it? Does it work good on paint? Does it stay like soft and rubbery?

I've never used the Tamiya Clear Coat but Testors also makes a very good clear coat that I've used for years on models, plastic and die-cast. And unlike the Tamiya clear coat, it's readily available at Wal-Mart. I know people who use both and they are both excellent.

by **Sonray** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:10 pm

Counterpunch wrote:
Sonray wrote:This is just soooooo ironic, but insane too.

I mean how cheap does that metal have to be in order for it to rust in so little time? And we are paying £80 for these things?!?! Freaking outrageous!!

Glad i dont have one yet.

It's not ironic at all.

It's the same thing that happens to $1000 brass musical instruments; they tarnish.

Literally 3-5 minutes of polishing with no chemicals, just a clean rag, fixes the problem.

No it IS ironic because Megatron got infected with cosmic rust in G1, remember? Thats what i was referring to.

by **Sonray** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:12 pm

waylandcool wrote:
Eradicator wrote:
skywarp-2 wrote:Well since it's late and I am bored and the fact there are only 2 pages thus far, I read through all the ideas... and yeah WD-40 is your best rust remover... the clear coat is a real critical choice, the best clear coat to buy in the Hobby world or any market for that matter is the Tamiya Flat clear coat..

Let me give you an example of how powerful this stuff is.....

Once apon a time there were only soft vinyl static Guyver model kits, and not the fine quality toys we have today, a young amatuer hobbyist with a little professional help succeeded in painting a Guyver 1 limited figure that was authentically MAX Factory....the Model came out wonderfully.. all that was left was to let it dry overnight and clean and paint a clear coat over the painted work of art..

The next day to the hobbyists horror the model was still sticky to the touch.. 3 days past and no change, to his dismay the amatuer hobbyist called the professional who preceded to explain that TESTORS ENAMEL paints are in no way suitable for Vinyl!!!! Acrylics is what is used for that
type of material..with a whole in his heart he asked if there was anything that he could do..???

The Professional replied, Yes!! let me tell you of a Product called Tamiya Clear coat....this should fix the problem, he said... and with heavy coats of clear coat and a days worth of drying..the model was finally "almost" entirely sticky free..!!!

I asked the Professional what would have happened over time had I left it without the clear coat?? he said he was amazed that it hadn't melted or degraded in some way.. that was 7 years ago, I still have that model, and I think that the only reason it is still in perfect condition is because it's held together completely by Tamiya Clear Coat...Now I freaking Swear by that stuff!!!

WOw...that stuff works pretty good I take it? Does it work good on paint? Does it stay like soft and rubbery?

I've never used the Tamiya Clear Coat but Testors also makes a very good clear coat that I've used for years on models, plastic and die-cast. And unlike the Tamiya clear coat, it's readily available at Wal-Mart. I know people who use both and they are both excellent.

Hmm yes Tamiya Clear Coat is awesome, i have the gloss coat though cos i like shiney things. Apparently though Tamiya has recalled its stock or something....

by **Ariannus** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:21 pm

After what I spent on my MP-05 I haven't been able to bring my self to open it yet. Is it in any danger if I leave it alone, or do I need to open it and do something about it now?

by **Sonray** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:30 pm

Ariannus wrote:After what I spent on my MP-05 I haven't been able to bring my self to open it yet. Is it in any danger if I leave it alone, or do I need to open it and do something about it now?

Whats the point in spending so much money on something and then not using it? Thats like buying a PS3 and never opening the box.

I will never understand you MISB collectors.

by **Toyotus Superion** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:22 am

Sonray wrote:
Ariannus wrote:After what I spent on my MP-05 I haven't been able to bring my self to open it yet. Is it in any danger if I leave it alone, or do I need to open it and do something about it now?

Whats the point in spending so much money on something and then not using it? Thats like buying a PS3 and never opening the box.

I will never understand you MISB collectors.

A toy not played with is a toy not loved. Only Admired.

by **Bonger** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:07 am

Toyotus Superion wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Ariannus wrote:After what I spent on my MP-05 I haven't been able to bring my self to open it yet. Is it in any danger if I leave it alone, or do I need to open it and do something about it now?

Whats the point in spending so much money on something and then not using it? Thats like buying a PS3 and never opening the box.

I will never understand you MISB collectors.

A toy not played with is a toy not loved. Only Admired.

Hmm, I am not normally anti MISB as I have a good numkber of those myself. However, in the cases of mine, you can se the oty inside.

I never understood the point of keeping any of the MPs MISB when you can't even see whats inside.

You can get the same effect by just buying an empty box, and saving a cpl of hundered bucks.

I do not mean to sound critical. I am quite curious as to how you resolve the issue of not being able to see the item with wanting to keep it MISB in your head.