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Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:23 am

MP Galvatron/Megatron 4 changer idea,please read to view my idea.

Similar in vein to the 4 changer MP Rodimus prime/Hotrod toy.

How about a megatron that transforms into a gun with extensions. then he'd transform into galvatron. then ofcause galvatron would transform into a laser canon alt mode.

I suspose for the idea to work galvatron would have to be in his 1986 galvatron toy colors. that had more grey & less purple. megatron would have to be in his cartoon colors & not toy colors. galvatron & megatron would have to both share the same shade of peatl grey

obviously they'd be some bits & kibble of galvatron in megatron modes. and some bits & kibble of megatron in galvatron modes. I suspose of of this can be hidden inside the arms & legs panels. or be cleverly hiddemn on the robot back perhaps rearanged to look like a wings or rocket boosters.

I can envision the robot head changing like mp rodimus does. except maybe a galvatron crown will flip up from inside the robot head to form the galvatron head. I suspose the inner robot face can stay the same.

I'd love to see a megatron that transforms into the entire gun with extensions like he did in the cartoon. without the extension comming of, the gun extensions they'd be integrated into the megatron robot mode.

obviously most want a galvatron that transforms into a laser canon alt mode. but for a MP toy this would be too simple a transfomation. so to incorporate 2 megatron modes would make it more complex.

I guess their can be a few flip up panels that turn the red parts into purple parts.

Obvious MP weapons could include the arm canon for megatron. laser arm canon for galvatron. matrix on a chain.

I'd prefer no electronics in this toy. If their has to be any electronics then make them external & not internal. place the electronics inside the megatron arm canon & inside the galvatron arm canon.

I want the least amount of diecast metal parts. but their needs to be a hint of diecast metal parts pershaps diecast metal feet & that's it.

I'd prefer this 4 changer galvatron/megatron toy be around 9.5 inches tall. I don't want to see this toy be around 11 to 14 inches tall as it'll be way out of scale with most TF toys on display shelves. 9.5 is the perfect size because it's in AEC & movie verse Leader size scale.

ofcause I want this toy to be beyond poseable as this is the MP TF toys most highest selling feature.

News Credits: 1 · Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:11 am

Well... I sorta like the idea, but the whole concept just screams 'fragile' to me. I'd much rather have a standalone Galvatron figure.

Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:37 am

RhA wrote:Well... I sorta like the idea, but the whole concept just screams 'fragile' to me. I'd much rather have a standalone Galvatron figure.

not if the over all design is more bulky,especially in the limbs.

Takara did manage to crteate a bulk MP-01 Convoy & bulky MP Grimlock toy. so they can make another BULKY MP toy if they chose to.

honestly all galvatron's alt mode consisted of. was galvatron lying down on his stomach in alt mode. the legs de-extend. a few tank threads flip up. the canon hooks up in the head.

this galvatron alt mode can easily be done the the galvatron/megatron robot lying on his stomach,legs de-extend.a few tank threads pop up & so forth.

perhaps to make the megatron & galvatron robot modes look different. the back of megatron's robot mode can be the front of galvatron's robot mode. as far as the chest/stomach area on the robot modes goes.

the arms can transform with hidden parts inside the arm'/legs panels. or come up with some type of fusion where the arms resemble both galvatron & megatrons arms.

perhaps the legs can transform to get fatter/thinner to look like both megatron's & galvatron's. or find a fusion where the legs resemble both megatron & galvatron's where fans of either character would be please with the end result.

the head should be fairly easy. since megatron is galvatron. might as well keep the same inner face. but have the outer helmet hidden inside the robot head. where a megatron helmet flips out for a galvatron outer helmet.

The greatest trick & hardest part would have the toy transform into a gun with extensions. it would have to look like the walter p-38 with extensions on. which wouldn't be a easy task to pull off/accomplish.

I suspose takara could cheat & give megatron a cybertronian gun mode instead of a earth styled gun mode. Similar to the gun mode for megatron shown in the IDW G-1 on-going issue #22. I'd imagine the internet TF fans would be 50/50 on this idea. 50% will love it,while the other 50% won't love it.

Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:05 am

While the concept can be pulled off by a talented designer, in no way can it be executed well enough to be included in the Masterpiece line, despite it's complexity.

This idea is quite intriguing though. I tried to figure out how it could be done and while I was able to find a way to pull off a pretty convincing Galvatron to Megatron transformation, as well as a sketchy cannon mode, getting a pistol mode is where I'm currently stuck.

News Credits: 60 · Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:17 am

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:Megalvatron.jpg

There was a proposed Megagalvatron already. Check the link.

Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:26 am

I saw that design, but the Galvatron mode suffered greatly and it didn't have a cannon mode.

News Credits: 60 · Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:43 am

Without the iconic "canon/tank mode, Galvatron is, well not Galvatron.

Financially, I doubt such a quad changer would be a viable sell

News Credits: 1 · Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:52 am

You know they are producing a quad former in the Star Wars/Transformers crossover w/ this very concept. Two bot modes, two alt modes. A very intriguing idea. If they can pull it off for SW/TF crossover why not do a Megatron/Pistol & Galvatron/Laser Cannon quad changer? I would have to vote for the silencer and armstock being accessories but why have them also be reversible for other components? If this concept was done for an improved Classics version I would totally buy one.

Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:07 am

Blackstreak wrote:You know they are producing a quad former in the Star Wars/Transformers crossover w/ this very concept. Two bot modes, two alt modes. A very intriguing idea. If they can pull it off for SW/TF crossover why not do a Megatron/Pistol & Galvatron/Laser Cannon quad changer? I would have to vote for the silencer and armstock being accessories but why have them also be reversible for other components? If this concept was done for an improved Classics version I would totally buy one.

The problem is, the Star Wars Quad changer (as well as Animated Shockwave) alternate robot and vehicle modes are just their original modes shifted around a bit to produce a new form. Megatron and Galvatron share none of their body parts (Megatron is gray and boxy, Galvatron is round and purple) and their alt modes are as different as can be.

News Credits: 60 · Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:05 am

Financially viable as a MP release?

Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:03 am

If there is gonna be a Masterpiece Galvatron, it's most likely gonna be just Galv that turns into a cannon. Having a Megatron-Galvatron four-changer would be just too complex and the result would probably be also below the desire.

However if I could get myself a MP-4 Optimus Prime, I'd be in seventh heaven.

News Credits: 226 · Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:44 am

I think the main thing that would go against it is the comics basically have Galvatron as a seperate entity from Megaton.

Heck, even if you look at the A/E/C trilogy Galvatron was just a repaint of Megatron, may have (supposedly) been a different character but the body stayed the same.

It was only in original G1 that Galvatron and Megatron were the same, but Dreamwave started it and IDW continued it with them being seperate characters.

Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:07 am

fenrir72 wrote:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:Megalvatron.jpg

There was a proposed Megagalvatron already. Check the link.

I like that idea & sketches on this wiki link.

it seems like the artist/sketctist did the turn around robot mode for galvatron & megatron like I envisioned in this thread of mine.

I think we can come up with a better galvatron mode. all that really needs to be down is have the robot laying on his stomach,the legs de-extended. a few tank treads flip out from hidden panels. the canon attaches to the back or the head.

Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:14 am

Burn wrote:I think the main thing that would go against it is the comics basically have Galvatron as a seperate entity from Megaton.

Heck, even if you look at the A/E/C trilogy Galvatron was just a repaint of Megatron, may have (supposedly) been a different character but the body stayed the same.

It was only in original G1 that Galvatron and Megatron were the same, but Dreamwave started it and IDW continued it with them being seperate characters.

I don't recall galvatron being a sperate character persona than megatron in the DW TF G-1 comics.

I don't even recall G-1 Galvatron making a appearance in the DW TF G-1 Comics.

I recall IDW starting the megatron & galvatron are different persona characters in the TF G-1 IDW comics.

If you referring to the DW Armada turned energon Comics. where galvatron appeared. these events came from a TF parrallel/alternate universe. Where most likely the galvatron that appeared in the DW energon TF Comics was formerly megatron who got his body upgraded into galvatron thru unicron.

News Credits: 226 · Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:25 pm

It was still the Dreamwave comics ...

News Credits: 241 · Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:39 pm

O, silly silly Burn. In Japan, they originally were separate characters before the Movie retconned it there in 1989. Besides, a separate Galvatron appeared in the Marvel comics, alongside Megatron. True, he was made from another Megatron, but it counts, right?

And no quadchanger, please!

Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:05 pm

Burn wrote:It was still the Dreamwave comics ...

please can you give some Dreamwave TF G-1 Comic issues where galvatron appeared in & was seen as a seperate entity/persona than megatron.

Please don't give the Dreamwave TF Armada comic where galvatron appeared in. because that galvatron came from another dimension & his origin was never explained. many fans assumed he was working for unicron & was his alternate universe/dimension destroyer slave/herald/minion

Because to my knowledge simon furman wrote galvatron as a seperate persona than megatron for the FIRST time in the IDW TF Comics.

News Credits: 226 · Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:18 pm

I said Dreamwave comics. I never specified WHICH series. Read what i'm posting, don't twist it around.

Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:27 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:O, silly silly Burn. In Japan, they originally were separate characters before the Movie retconned it there in 1989. Besides, a separate Galvatron appeared in the Marvel comics, alongside Megatron. True, he was made from another Megatron, but it counts, right?

And no quadchanger, please!

Takara in Japan aired the entire TF G-1 season 3 around the 1986 or 1987 year. in season 3 it was revealed numerous times that galvatron was megatron with a unicron upgraded body.

That galvatron that your referring to that appeared in the marvel USA & Marvel UK TF comics had his persona origins tie back to megatron & was a upgraded slave of unicron. the galvatron from the UK was a time traveler. the galvatron from the usa marvel comics came from a alternate universe/dimension where the decepticons & unicron defeated the autobots.

Up until 2005 Hasbro/Takara regarded the megatron & galvatron toys sharing the same spark/persona.

I haven't a clue what hasbro considers the 2009 classics 2.0 deluxe galvatron's persona. as the bio story was kinda short & didn't reveal anything.

Honestly from my point of view,the comics stories don't matter & don't take priority over the cartoons nor movie stories/origins/personas. because hardly anyone reads comics anymore. more & more comic book shops close down every week. only a small faction of people actually buy & read comics these days. it's just a quick dying thing.

Personally I prefer to follow the cartoons & movies for TF canon stories/origins/pesona's. because they cater to a bigger audience & more people see it.

From my understanding hasbro doesn't care what the comics do with the TF characters/stories/persona's. because not that many people will see it nor read it. hasbro realizes the comics need to be crazy,creative & evoke the bizzare wow factor. if they don't then they'd keep losing readers.

Hasbro most likely figures they can fix/repair everything the comics ruined in the cartoons,toys & movies.

So until hasbro announces that galvatron is a seperate spark/persona than megatron in the toy line,cartoon or movies then i'll accept it.
The TF comics have never been canon to me as they receive less of a audience than the toys,cartoons,movies.

from my stand point the media outlet that receives the most audience gets accepted as the most canon. the media outlet that receives the less audience like the comics gets taken less serious & receives the least canon.

News Credits: 226 · Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:31 pm

*yawn* deathy believing what he wants ... i'd say this never gets boring but ... yeah. *yawn*

So how about that quadchanger huh? If it's anything like Vader/Anakin it'll be crap.

Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:45 pm

BIG PASS! considering i already have a perfect mp version in mp5 i wouldnt shell out for a quad changer. give me a galvatron in accurate colors and tank/gun mode i think people forget he was a triple changer of sorts and that alone would cause the price to be high. includind another gun/bot mode would be a bad idea. >:oP

Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:34 pm

No to the quad changer. I don't like gimmicks just for the sake of having a gimmick. Whether the same bot or two seperate entities, I'd rather have them both on my shelf at the same time with out having to transform it around over and over.

I understand that engineering is quite the marvel these days but I don't see any way to pull off the quad changer gimmick without one or more of the modes looking bad. Usually one mode is sacrificed to make the other look better. 4 modes....ugh.

Cases in point, MP-1 Vehicle mode was sacrificed in favor of the bot mode. Bot mode is stellar, truck mode is good and perfectly acceptable but not stellar. MP-5 is FAR from perfect. Sadly, bot mode was sacrificed in favor of gun mode. While the gun mode is a bit oversized for those people with small hands, it is nearly flawless otherwise. Bot mode, on the other hand, is only barely acceptable with its chicken legs and severly oversized fusion cannon. Pictures of the forthcoming MP-10 clearly show the bot mode again being sacrificed for truck mode. The truck mode looks near perfect, where as the bot mode appears to be a step backwards from MP-1.

Trying to squeeze four modes into one masterpiece is a disaster waiting to happen for at least one of the modes. Pass.

News Credits: 15 · Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:57 pm

Hmm, I really dont see how they could do that well. Megatron and Galvatron are too dissimilar. Megatron would have to hide all that purple and Galvatron would have to hide the silver. Galvatron has a rounder body and I dont see how you could hide that inside Megatrons thinner flatter body.

Look at how fragile MP Megatron is and then imagine that also having to include Galvatron parts, i cant see it working.

I do like the idea though, as you could remake that reformatting scene from the movie.

Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:59 pm

Burn wrote:I said Dreamwave comics. I never specified WHICH series. Read what i'm posting, don't twist it around.

Burn you said the following in your above reply: "It was only in original G1 that Galvatron and Megatron were the same, but Dreamwave started it and IDW continued it with them being seperate characters."

Dreamwave to my knowledge never presented galavatron as a different persona than megatron. Dreamwave's Galvatron appeared in the armada comics & was a dimension traveler.

here's a copied & pasted text from the TF Wikia Galvatron page:
"An alternate version of Galvatron appeared briefly as one of Unicron's heralds, along with Thunderwing, Bludgeon, Dirge, and Scourge. He rather impassively stated that he had killed "many" Megatrons in other alternate realities. However, he was ultimately destroyed by this timeline's native Megatron with the power of the Dark Saber." http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Galvatron_(G1)

Armada's dimension traveling galvatron trying to kill all megatron's in other dimensions. goes in line with what the marvel UK & USA Galvatron tried to to a few times. because galvatron viewed megatron as a weak disease that he tried to forget about. example issue #79 of the marvel USA G-1 comics.

Honestly Armada's dimension traveling Galvatron would only be working with Unicron as a herald if he got upgraded from his previous megatron form. Galvatron would only be working for unicron if he was a herald/slave & was being controlled by unicron's mind control & pressure points in the body/circuits.

I highly doubt Armada's dimension traveling galvatron was doing unicrons work without being forced to or else. I highly doubt unicron would just locate a galvatron & force him to do his work,without upgrading him & controlling him thru the upgraded hardware.

Unicron always upgrades his heralds. unicron can only control the minds/pressure points/circuits of his heralds if he upgrades them & taps into their new hardware that he created.

Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:19 pm

Burn wrote:Heck, even if you look at the A/E/C trilogy Galvatron was just a repaint of Megatron, may have (supposedly) been a different character but the body stayed the same.

Didn't Micron Legend Megatron become Galvatron (new body and all) when he emerged from Unicron in Powerlinx?