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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sinnertwin wrote:Transcendent30 wrote:Thanks for reading my fanon explaination. I have officially fixed the movie!...well that bit of it.
Next question: Why does Optimus fade to black, unlike all the other dead Autobots we see?
excuse me..................but you need to rewatch the film.
All the,in narrative, "confirmed dead" autobots, except Ironhide and Huffer, faded to gray.
And for the record, the "in narrative" confirmed dead are
Ratchet....,,,,faded color
Prowl..........faded color
Optimus Prime..faded color
Ironhide.......we never saw his body after death
Huffer.........died off screan
and we never saw Ironhide after he died.
The "Macrocosmic Seekers" story and the United EX stories are the only pieces of United fiction that are in the cartoon continuity. Any other United fiction is a separate continuity.Transcendent30 wrote:Ah, I see the fading to grey now, that all happened very fast! Anyway 3h Wreckers comic is in continuity with the G1 cartoon, is the Takara United stuff? United fiction is probably its own universe branch like the Classics fiction. Cyclonus may be Skywarp......in the United universe only.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
PrymeStriker wrote:Red 50 wrote:It's not such a bad thing. It's just a sad scene.
Brawn, Prowl, Ratchet, Ironhide...
Let me fix that for you.Red 50 wrote:It's not such a bad thing. It's just the best scene ever.
Brawn, Prowl, Ratchet, Ironhide.![]()
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Sinnertwin wrote:Thanks for the Prowl etc clarification.
Speaking of narrative, is there more info about it? I ask out of curiosity, because as you know, both Wheeljack and Windcharger are laying there, holes in their chassis, the lights in their eyes faded, Arcee reacting as if they were dead, yet they still appear to maintain their respective color schemes. For all intents and purposes they appear dead, yet this narrative doesn't list them that way, is there a particular reason that you know of?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sinnertwin wrote:Thanks for the Prowl etc clarification.
Speaking of narrative, is there more info about it? I ask out of curiosity, because as you know, both Wheeljack and Windcharger are laying there, holes in their chassis, the lights in their eyes faded, Arcee reacting as if they were dead, yet they still appear to maintain their respective color schemes. For all intents and purposes they appear dead, yet this narrative doesn't list them that way, is there a particular reason that you know of?
What I meanb when I say "the in narrative confirmed dead" is abny of the characters that were confirmed dead in dialog either in the film or season 3.
Wheeljack and Windcharger, even Brawn, were never confirmed as being among the dead in any dialog from the film or season 3.
Sinnertwin wrote:All narrative, comics, fanon aside, when you watched the movie, did you think that they were dead?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Henry921 wrote:Transcendent, I commend you on your ambitious and noble goal, but be wary of the fierce intellects and supernatural insight of Sto and Sabrblade. The fanwank is strong in them.
To the topic: does fanon allow for the possibility of animation errors? I'm in the camp of the whole armada mess just being a hangover from the script's many rewrites
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sinnertwin wrote:All narrative, comics, fanon aside, when you watched the movie, did you think that they were dead?
No.
I considered the possibility that they were dead/.dieing, but also took note that we had seen other characters survive similar damage.
Sinnertwin wrote:
Storyboards tell us otherwise:
Windcharger's dead as the floor he's laying on, yet still fully colored:
Considering the animation errors that plague the movie, I'm inclined to believe that they just forgot to color those two gray.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sorry buddy, but useing story boards to try and prove a case is a mistake.Story boards tell us nothing but the creators intent.....which buy the way is completely and totally irrelevant in these kinds of debates.
To begin with...story boards are work product, which is subject to change after change.....which means they arent canon.They arent part of continuity.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:But evidence proves that Bvombshell was always intended to be Cyclonus.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:The only thing the story boards can tell us is that the writers wanted to kill off Windcharger..............but that doesnt prove that he actually died.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Your own storyboards proves my case.
Look at it again............
it say Windcharger and an other Autobot on floor dead
the image of the other Autobot is Smokescrean or Bluestreak.
But in the finished film who was laying on the ground next to Windcharger???????
It was WHEELJACK not Smokescrean or Bluestreak.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:you can believe what you want, but your story board example doesnt help prove your case,
Sinnertwin wrote:Which leads me to my next point:
Using a storyboard to reinforce a point?
It clearly specifies Windcharger and another Autobot on the floor dead. I can't imagine them being clearer.
Irrespective of who's laying down next to Windcharger on the storyboards, Smokescreen, Bluestreak ... Windcharger is the common denominator. Compare the storyboard and the finished product, Windcharger's in all of the shots for that scene from conception to finished product.
On the contrary, it's there in black and white, and on celluloid. They just forgot to paint them gray.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Henry921 wrote:Well, really my question is less about authorial intent and more about whether we accept animation errors as just that; or do we explain them? I went off on a tangent to explain Cyclonus's armada to make that very point. As aforementioned, I simply consider it an error that should be ignored.
[/quote]And Sto, there's no need for formality- it's just 'Henry.' The added numbers are simply because my chosen appelation was taken.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Delta Magnus wrote:I think the true explanation is that the movie was a low point in the rather mediocre G1 series. People complain about ROTF, but damn...It's a freaking masterpiece compared to this movie.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:I think the true explanation is that the movie was a low point in the rather mediocre G1 series. People complain about ROTF, but damn...It's a freaking masterpiece compared to this movie.
sorry but I, and I think most G1 fans would completely disagree with you.
Cooter wrote:Would Windcharger and Wheeljack retaining their color possibly be an animation error?
Does anyone notice when Springer runs down the steps to the launcher it looks like Sideswipe is laying on the floor in the top left corner, which is the spot where Wheeljack would have been.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Megs for pres wrote:Sto I just wanted to say That I never noticed all the things that you have pointed out here. I never noticed prowl or ratchet turning colors and I never saw smoke screen on the floor. Nice catch.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Megs for pres wrote:Sto I just wanted to say That I never noticed all the things that you have pointed out here. I never noticed prowl or ratchet turning colors and I never saw smoke screen on the floor. Nice catch.
thank you very much
Megs for pres wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Megs for pres wrote:Sto I just wanted to say That I never noticed all the things that you have pointed out here. I never noticed prowl or ratchet turning colors and I never saw smoke screen on the floor. Nice catch.
thank you very much
I dont know though. On second glance Im still not seeing prowl turn grey sto.
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Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Cooter wrote:Would Windcharger and Wheeljack retaining their color possibly be an animation error?
in a film with so many animation errors, who could sasy.
but either way, changes were made from the time it was written to it was animated.Does anyone notice when Springer runs down the steps to the launcher it looks like Sideswipe is laying on the floor in the top left corner, which is the spot where Wheeljack would have been.
slow the play back down and look closer.........the body is red and blue....its Smokescrean not Sideswipe
heres an extream close up
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Megs for pres wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Megs for pres wrote:Sto I just wanted to say That I never noticed all the things that you have pointed out here. I never noticed prowl or ratchet turning colors and I never saw smoke screen on the floor. Nice catch.
thank you very much
I dont know though. On second glance Im still not seeing prowl turn grey sto.
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