The Energon Pub

Well many people are wondering if or how we will get to see the planet eater in TF3.

I agrree with ther sentiment about Unicron being a massive CGI project but they are ways to get around that if they would listen to my idea I have to incoporate the giant into TF 3.

I also think it would be cool to have the mini-cons in TF3 also, think about it. Look how bad Prime got his but handed to him in TF 2 regardless the fact he was out numbered he still managed to put up a decent fight.

Now if he had a minicon he could hook up and combine and have a new weapon or extra protection. Now in Transformers Armada he had his own minicon which was Leader 1 if I am not mistaken it increases his cannon's firepower making it extremly powerful.


On my idea for Unicron, I dont want them to go the Nano cloud way of Galacticus in FF 2. I want them to do it my way: See in Star trek this year the new movie. They had Nero's time ship, they could use this as Unicron for TF 3.

Also they could work off how Nero used Red Matter and injected it in to the Planet core to destroy planets they could modify this for Unicron also.

I mean we dont have to see Unicron Transform we know that wont happen given it is such a huge cgi project in the 1st place.

I mean look at Devestator he was only a 100 foot tall combiner now Unicron is on a total diffrent scale we are talking a freakin planet that transforms into robot mode.

We could use the Nemo Ship also that ship in Star Trek looks like the Mobile Fortress as seen in Transformers Energon also.

We could at least use that to work a CGI Model for Unicron I mean he dosent have to transform he can still kick but as a Planet but you can give him outer defenses such as Cannons lazers and others to protect himself from attackers.


Also more on the Mini-Cons they could use the Requiem Blaster and other stuff from the shows and combine into the movie also.

I think the mini-con idea is good for TF 3.

I also think it is time for Galvatron also in TF 3 he needs an upgrade.

People know who he is if they dont watch the cartoons.

I hope you like my idead for Minicons and Unicron in TF 3.

Regardless the movie is no were new time for being released yet or even has a script pinned down.

We can use this idea to come up with story plots, new formers, and how the movie will come about.

Also in TF 3 for my story.

Sam and Mikeala are fixing to get married Sam has just finished gratuating from college. He is now an Human Ambassador for the Autobots.

But tensions are now at an all time high given the events over TF 2 and The Fallen.

The decipticons are no longer hiding they are attacking openigly every where across the planet.

Optimus Prime his team of Autobots along with the Humans of NEST try thier best to counter this threat but they are vastly out numbered bye their enemies.

All of a sudden a new discovery has been made an space craft has landed somewhere on earth. sensing this the decepticons make a break for it but the contents of the shuttle have scattered throughout the planet.

Sam discovers this new object he cracks it open and out pops a minicon he shows it to Prime and they link up.

Also the decipticons have also thier own Minicons.

I got a cool story going to TF 3 I am also trying to figure out how I would make Unicron incoporate in my movie.

This is just an idea or theory for now when I get board I like to think of stuff like this.

If I absolutely had use Unicron, which if I had the choice..I wouldnt. My thoughts were Id have Unicron come from the husk of cybertron, as he'd be the core of the dead world. He d be the will of the planet itself trying be reborn as the all spark was ripped away from it which it died..or appeared to. The all spark in actuality is everywhere, merely has a physical host. But in order to survive the remains of cybertron destroys planets with transformers present as they re part of the all spark.

Id then have a bunch of escaping autobots being lead by Ultra Magnus land on earth in a ship thats Omega supreme (with or without optional mountain side crash.) They d show up fleeting from some huge being ripping apart planets to get them. (not that has even eat the entire thing, merely all the transformers on it and seriously messes worlds up in the process.)

The Decepticons under Shockwave have also taken to hunting down Autobots as they begun taking their sparks and making energon out of them. Megatron and him battle over supreme leadership the entire film cause of this, as Megatron is their spiritual leader,the heart and soul of their cause but Shockwave is the brains and is getting results.

They begun hunting on earth, which the autobots setup a city. Unaware of Unicron approach, they continue their feud which dozens of Autobot civilians are captured and killed. (unnamed ones preferrably.) Back then on the Nemesis Shockwave makes his final push for power, as he defeats Megatron, leaving him a crumpled mess. They push for their final assault on the autobot city using his ship, Trypticon to attack now he has enough energon for him engage his robot mode.

During this time the autobots have been trying find a way come up with a new source of energon that doesnt damage worlds or harm others. Which They seek out and reclaim the matrix of leader ship, as it too cant be destroyed. Bringing it to Sam, he passed the power of the all spark into it, and makes them one entity.

While back on the nemesis, megatron lays there broken, and Unicron comes and offers him a chance destory both the autobots and the decepticons, that he will be the sole ruler of cybertron if he aids him. Given a new army of corrupted cybertronians unicron comsumed, they descend upon earth before Unicron himself arrives.

The autobots are seemingly losing, till Omega supreme rises up to battle trypticon. Both sides demolish each other, and then Megatron in his new form comes down with a huge force and begins wrecking both sides. It isnt till Shockwave agrees to follow prime that they have a chance.

Megatron proclaims he is ruler of all cybertron, and fights prime. Prime realizing he cant win, tell him if hes truly the ruler, then this belongs to him, he hands him the Matrix of leadership. Megatron place it into his chest, which he is overloaded with the power, and when its done hes purified of Unicron's taint. He then realized just what hes done. He's lead him to earth and the destruction of both races.

While Megatron doesnt care about the humans, he does want to see his own race survive. He agrees help, as he returns the Matrix to prime, since the matrix told him to. Boarding Omega supreme them fly into the heart of unicron, where they battle an avatar of Unicron inside him. They manage hold their own, but can not win till the Matrix is jammed into the Spark of Unicron, forming the heart of Cybertron, which Unicron returns to his original state of Primus. With his enrgies brought back into balance, he decides return back to his homeworld, and revive it as this was meant to do.

Prime remains on earth, while Ultra Magnus and Shockwave return with Primus to Cybertron as co rulers as prime and megatron did before them. Megatron decides to flee for this day, but isnt done with his struggle with the autobots. Gathering those who are still loyal he vows make his rule absolute, but not today as there will be no war today.

Thats my take on it. Since they said whole if we re made in gods image line, whos image is he made in line I thought about if Unicron were be brought in. Ultimately I think theres alot more of the transformers universe to explore than him. I just figure it should be what rebuilds cybertron if something were to do so. That his origin be tied to the transformers in a way makes sense rather than have him come out of no where like the original version. To have a huge planet wrecking being just running wild seems crazy. Like the entire universe would be banding together like way Marvel has them doing so with galactus. So if he only came into being recently, then he wouldnt be that way.

Ok that is a good way to utilize Unicron in TF 3 now it is time to talk which bots will be in each faction and how many this time.

I say 20 on each side and a couple of mini-cons.


Autobots
1. Optimus
2. Ultra Magnus
3. Vector Prime
4. Landmine
5. Sunstreaker
6. Blaster
7. Hound
8. Mirage
9. Trailbreaker
10. Over Ride
11. Grim Lock
12. Slag
13. Sludge
14. Power Glide
15. Aerial Bots - Superion
16. Arcee Twins
17. Sideswipe
18. Omega Supreme
19. Wheel Jack
20. Prowl

Decipticons
1. Megatron/Galvatron
2. Starscream
3. Cyclonus
4. Scourge
5. The Sweeps
6. The Insecticons
7. Slipstream
8. Dirge
9. Thrust
10. Ram Jet
11. Thundercracker
12. Astro Train
13. Blitz Wing
14. Thunder Blast
15. Crumple Zone
16. Ran Sack
17. Black Arachnia
18. Shockwave
19. Devastator - Constructicons
20. Stunticons - Minosaur

Well, in a way, there already is a "Movie Unicron":

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Rodimus2006 wrote:Now if he had a minicon he could hook up and combine and have a new weapon or extra protection. Now in Transformers Armada he had his own minicon which was Leader 1 if I am not mistaken it increases his cannon's firepower making it extremly powerful.

Unicron's Mini-Con was Dead-End, and in the show, there wasn't just one, but thousands of them. And they were all drones who never transformed (nor did they show any signs of the ability to do so).

Unicron's gonna be difficult to add to the sequels.

First, the CGI complex. Unicron is at least 2000 times bigger than Devastator. AT LEAST. Showing the mechanics of Unicron will be very difficult.

Second, in terms of size. They need to decide the actual size of Unicron for them to use in the movie.

In one of the episodes in G1 TF, Cybertron was shown to be the size of a small moon, smaller than our moon. Unicron should be just about that size. However, some source said that Unicron is bigger than moon, about the same size as Earth.

If Unicron is the same size as Earth, if he transforms, his finger alone is 100 times bigger than United Kingdom. If he were to touch the Earth, all we can see is a huge seemingly endless metal wall, which is actually his finger. With his humongous size, it is impossible to actually see his face from the ground. Therefore, Unicron size should be toned down to the size of 4 cities.

However, being the size of only 4 cities, doesn't make him fit to the name planet destroyer. So he should be bigger. This lead to the third problem.

Third, story logic, realism. How to logically kill something a big as a planet? If you guys watched Megas XLR, you would understand, something that big cannot be hurt easily. A powerful fullpower punch to Unicron's finger is almost as painful as a germ trying punch your skin. Even concentrated fire won't work. In the 85 TF movie, Hot Rod was travelling to somewhere in Unicron's core, and later opened the matrix. By story logic, to travel the core of something as huge as planet will take days, or months.

I know many make fun of the whole logic concept, saying "you're watching a movie about alien robot that transforms to cars, and you're talking about logic and realism?"

Don't forget. This movie started off based of realism and logic. Which is why there's no mass shifting, etc.

*Sigh*
I'm tired of hearing how complex Unicron will be and how impossible he will be to model and animate in CGI and how expensive it will be and.....

No, thats not how it works. Large CGI props and characters have been done and they work fine. Independence Day had the city sized UFO's. Prior to CGI, James Cameron used scale models to form the underwater world of Abyss. And finally in the Animated movie of Transformers, Unicron was hand drawn and animated..........

The thing is modelers are not going to model something the size of a plant to scale and then try to render it...thats stupid. It isn't possible, when Weta modeled the two towers they did not model them to scale with two actual towers. This rule applies across the board. The only reason you would model something large is for very detailed close-ups. What they will do is model a character and use texture maps to relate size, detail, maybe small city type structures on Unicrons surface....but thats it. For more in depth transformations scenes or surface textures, they'll either use digital matte paintings or separate more detailed models or either a hand or head for facial animation if they're smart, which I'm giving ILM the benefit of the doubt. Devastator though complex wasn't complex to render because of his size, it was because of the animation and transformations involved with the character. In fact the most complex aspects of the recent film wasn't even Devastator, it was rendering realistic robots underwater that made the poor render farms go up in smoke. Unicron being done in CGI is more then plausible. If we can create whole worlds and Halo rings and such for game cinematics....I'm sure ILM can render a photorealistic character of Unicron being there are no photoreferences. So whatever they do model and render....I'll more then accept as photoreal. Because no one has any point of reference.


In terms of size in the film, I would agree the size of a small moon would be best. If worried about the physics needed to travel to Unicrons core....don't worry, characters have been introduced enabling the ability to jump via space bridges. Hell the Fallen made it from Mars to Earth in no time, I doubt Unicron is the size of the distance from Mars to Earth. There's no reason more characters cannot be introduced utilizing the same abilities. Or even normal already established characters being Megatron traveled from the Abyss to Mars just like that!

Unicron has to transform. I think everyone is scared of the horror stories gathered from the render farms of ILM concerning ROTF to which they don't think Unicron will turn out good. Or that he'll cost billions of dollars. If he doesn't work it wont be an issue of the render farms, but an issue of design and character direction. Which is pretty much in the hand of the director, who didn't impress me at all this recent film with his character direction. So I'm not rooting for Bay to helm Unicron...being I just don't trust him at this point. But Unicron has to transform, or else all we are really getting is another Death Star. That talks.

I'm all for Unicron, and there are some interesting directions here....but I'm not for Bays interpretations. Especially after such let downs as Devastator and Soundwave and others I'm still trying to block from memory.

Unicron has to stay bad, being I don't think him reborn into Cybertron would be a good direction. I do think he should have ties to the cube, but instead of eating planets perhaps he devours suns as well. Hence why he was on a direct path for Cybertron....only to follow the cubes trail to Earth.

Perhaps the plot is reviving the cube by destroying Unicron and harvesting his core...hence being able to revive Cybertron. So you have two worlds at stake, one being Earth and the other being well, Cybertron.

All in all I say this is an excellent thread, tailored to a character which already seems to be stirring alot of debate and interpretation. Kuddos Rodimus 2006.....Kuddos.
Josh

Unicron has to stay bad, being I don't think him reborn into Cybertron would be a good direction. I do think he should have ties to the cube, but instead of eating planets perhaps he devours suns as well. Hence why he was on a direct path for Cybertron....only to follow the cubes trail to Earth.

Well theres dozens of ways it could be done besides my angle. I just think regardless it shouldn't as I wish fans would stop asking for something they wont be happy with in the end.

I never liked the character too much as transformer gods just starts get too mystical for its own good.(you re getting greek mythlogy in my sci fi.) So far you can debate whether they ve dont anything mystical or not, as we have no idea just how advanced cybertronian technology is, it could be argued it just appears be magical to us. I mean they could easily been created by beings who werent some sort of super being.

Like their race simply transferred their conciousness into the allspark, and transformers are their race reborn, but the good and the bad. (simliar what happened with Go-bots and robotics.) Or the quins made it the all spark, and fired it into space like the genesis project in star trek heh. Again many directions that are still sci fi to explain the origins of the transformers without having it be mystical and involving the whole primus and unicron.

Only reason I mentioned my angle was I got to think they re going do it against better judgment due to fan outcry. The whole line from epps saying whos image was prime made in(henry ford haha.) got me to thinking they might do that next. I hope they dont go that angle with transformers gods. I dont like them, and ultimately just makes for bad guys who are plot devices not something they can just beat down. Plus the whole scale issue makes him all the more superflueous.

Ultimately Id rather something more along lines of what I posted without involing unicron. Given I was half right to what revenge of the fallens scheme would be, as I thought the constructicons would create a device to absorb the sun and make a new all spark was what I was guessing at. I wasnt far off. May be I get close again hehe.

Rodimus2006 wrote:Ok that is a good way to utilize Unicron in TF 3 now it is time to talk which bots will be in each faction and how many this time.

I say 20 on each side and a couple of mini-cons.


Autobots
1. Optimus
2. Ultra Magnus
3. Vector Prime
4. Landmine
5. Sunstreaker
6. Blaster
7. Hound
8. Mirage
9. Trailbreaker
10. Over Ride
11. Grim Lock
12. Slag
13. Sludge
14. Power Glide
15. Aerial Bots - Superion
16. Arcee Twins
17. Sideswipe
18. Omega Supreme
19. Wheel Jack
20. Prowl

So they just up and kill off Ironhide, Ratchet, Jolt, Skids, Mudflap, and whichever Arcee sister you left off (you said "twins"). No. Not gonna happen. And BUMBLEBEE!!?!?! Really they are gonna drop the mascot of the movie series? Optimus is great and all but Bumblebee is Sam's car. He is the Pikachu of the Movieverse. They aren't going to drop him.

And I don't like the idea of mincon's in the Movieverse. It's works in a cartoon, and should stay in the cartoon. I don't want it in the Movieverse.
Unicron would be too much of a throw back to the 86 movie. While it could work, I personally would like to see something that hasn't already been done before. I'm sure there are plenty of other transformers they could bring in besides Unicron.
And they absolutely will not steal effects from Star Trek. That would never happen. They may use similar processes, but they won't blatantly steal the exact same effects.

this is a great discussion..

I had a few ideas that could work..

Unicron doesn't have to necessarily be a giant planetoid.. he could be a giant cybertronian bot, that consumes planet cores, and drills down and sucks the life out of world, leaving them hollow and dead.. which would fit his main function..

Or he could be a Swarm of lesser bots that invade worlds, and suck their life right out of them..in that process the Unicron horde must combine into a giant planet doomsday device.. which could be stopped by the Autobots.. Oh man, Prime with a space jet pack!! Sorry G-1 geekout there.. ahem..

back to pseudo reality here..


he could also be like a killer computer virus that distracts the Autobots as Megatron makes his final push for glory.. the virus infects the planet via the web, and tries to force the planet to rewrite it's DNA into that of his own body.. making earth his potential form.. which the matrix is used and destroys the virus at the core..

there are lots of unique ways to bring unicron to the big screen..

I think that Unicron should be similar to The Swarm from Generation 2. Coming to Earth as an entity that corrupts Megatron into becoming Galvatron. Introduce new Autobots that arrived before Unicron's heralds to warn the Autobots. Then have the giant planet consuming swarm appear to devour the planet and stopped by the Matrix of Leadership

Optimus_Prime_6978 wrote:I think that Unicron should be similar to The Swarm from Generation 2. Coming to Earth as an entity that corrupts Megatron into becoming Galvatron. Introduce new Autobots that arrived before Unicron's heralds to warn the Autobots. Then have the giant planet consuming swarm appear to devour the planet and stopped by the Matrix of Leadership

Yeah. Problem is that the Matrix was likely destroyed when the Harvester was blasted and had exploded.

Sabrblade wrote:

Optimus_Prime_6978 wrote:I think that Unicron should be similar to The Swarm from Generation 2. Coming to Earth as an entity that corrupts Megatron into becoming Galvatron. Introduce new Autobots that arrived before Unicron's heralds to warn the Autobots. Then have the giant planet consuming swarm appear to devour the planet and stopped by the Matrix of Leadership

Yeah. Problem is that the Matrix was likely destroyed when the Harvester was blasted and had exploded.

Well it could reform from dust, it could be brought back. Cybertronian artifacts seem be fairly indestructible. But doesnt mean they should.

Lastjustice wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Optimus_Prime_6978 wrote:I think that Unicron should be similar to The Swarm from Generation 2. Coming to Earth as an entity that corrupts Megatron into becoming Galvatron. Introduce new Autobots that arrived before Unicron's heralds to warn the Autobots. Then have the giant planet consuming swarm appear to devour the planet and stopped by the Matrix of Leadership

Yeah. Problem is that the Matrix was likely destroyed when the Harvester was blasted and had exploded.

Well it could reform from dust, it could be brought back. Cybertronian artifacts seem be fairly indestructible. But doesnt mean they should.

Well, by that logic, that would mean that the Harvester could come back too, as it too is a Cybertronian artifact (a big one, but still). Which would mean that Prime blasting it would've been in vain.

I rather like this design made by a poster over at tfw:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... ncept.html

Dead Metal wrote:I rather like this design made by a poster over at tfw:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... ncept.html

Interesting. Actually, the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that pic was Tornedron (even though he was basically pure energy).

Dead Metal wrote:I rather like this design made by a poster over at tfw:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... ncept.html

Interesting, and I can see it work. That's like the Fallen after millions of years on steroids.

If I can ask only one thing that Unicron SHOULDN'T be even in the Bayverse, that is the swarm thing; Unicron was allways one entity, not a bunch of bugs.

I think it'd be an interesting spin, if they used the remnants of Cybertron to make up Unicron.

Dead Metal wrote:I rather like this design made by a poster over at tfw:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... ncept.html

CALLED IT!
In the following thread here:
viewtopic.php?f=44&t=56293

You;ll find the following comment here.....

Joshua Vallse wrote:

hellkitty wrote:
I could see this totally happening. And I will blame you if it does for giving Them ideas. (Hollywood has no concept of sarcasm).

HK, You, sir, are a *genius*.

I can already assure you some marketing guy or producer already covered all the above that I mentioned. But I did forget one thing, if this film does take place in space, there will be slow motion footage of an already slow motion Megan Fox run/walking on the moon. No space suit, just her in low cut space spandex and a bubble sphere helmet doing her thing.....the sun going supernova in the Back Ground.

You know what, screw it, give Michael Bay Unicron. I have a morbid curiosity of what hell bound creation we would order ILM and Dreamworks to model in Maya. Maybe a space tendril squid who instead of raping satelights (Oh that Soundwave....*laugh que*) does it to planets. Or maybe a giant Kitty Bot with three eyes! Or a swarm of transformers who go mucking things up like a pissed hive of Africanized Honeybees! Who of course, spell Michael Bay after destroying earth. HAZZAH!

Josh

Which also touches up on the concept of a swarm I think someone mentioned here as well.
Funny and sad how one persons' fears and preception of bad are already anothers perception of well.....whatever it's a perception of

So now that I have Africanized-Honeybee-Insecticon-Unicron
And Space-Squid-Tendril-Rape Unicron

Anyone wanna have a go at giant three eyed kitty Unicron?

All in all, I seriously see the Tendril creature of being a pretty accurate adaptation of what ol Mike would do for the third installment. Or he'll just make him a transforming Aircraft Carrier. Ah that Hollywood
Laters,
Josh