A. The Fallen didn't become a Decepticon when he betrayed the other Primes, he was allready a Decepticon and so were the other Primes sence Autobots suposidly didn't exsist yet.
You just said 2 different things there alone.
But I would say that The Fallen was called the First Decepticon because he betrayed his brothers.
That wasn't two different things. That was all one thing. Basically if you belive that there are only Autobots and Decepticons and Decepticons came first then everyone at the time was a Decepticon and he couldn't of turned to become what he allready was.
And yea it fits but that's not exactly what was exsplained in the movies. You kinda filled in some gaps there on your own.
I didnt fill in any of the gaps on my own at all.
Think about it this way.
They gave up the history in bits and peaces like a puzzle for us to put together......but never showed us the completed picture.
You [no disrespect intended] put the peaces together as you believed they went but you got some peaces in the wrong places.
I did a better job [not perfect] of putting the peaces together to make a clear picture of what we were told.
And BTW, any of the info your not failure with came from the comics that are tied to the film.
The only comic I read actully came with the ticket for the first movie and no I didn't pay for it, one of my friends did. But that comic from what I could tell didn't really seem to fit the events of the movie. It was a prequill comic that would imply it would lead up to the opening of the movie but it didn't really. Some of the same information was given in the movie and in comic pluse the whole situation with Sam and getting his car seemed completly different.
The comic actully seemed to match the video game better than the movie as in both the comic and the video game it was no surprise at all to Sam where they going to get his car. Both had a scene talking about the car lot with Bumblebee listening in from outside the house the night before but in the movie Sam seemed to have no cluse what car lot they were going to.
Again, don't remember who but they didn't just say "old" they had mentioned that they needed a Decepticon because they predated the Autobots which is why they tried to get Wheelie to read them.
No.
The sector 7 guy said they may need a Decepticon because he found evidence in very old pictures, and other places, that Decepticons had been here before.
He said the Transformers had been there before yes but he didn't specify what faction they were. Either way though it still doesn't make sence in the next scene when they're suprised about Jetfire being a Decepticon. Allthough I think that may of been the only time in the movie universe when someone actully made any comment about the faction symbols which after 2 years seems fine that they would know about them and comment at some point just didn't make sence there.
In the first movie would be kinda hard to comment on it when they just met them and went right into huge battle scenes, not really alot time there to exsplain "if you see this symbol
they are the bad guys." Could of made the movie alot worse if someone commented on symbols they shouldn't know the meanings of yet.
It was just as bad as Megatron's "Even in death I am the leader" and 2 sec. later "How may I serve you my master."
I had issues with that too.
I think everyone did. I've seen it mentioned in every review that I've read or seen.
And when I first pointed out the quote tag issues you were haveing I belive you were new to fourms at the time or at the verry least had not used them in quite a while and you improved a great deal allmost over night.
I was hardly new........but I didnt use the site much before that, and I hardly improved "over night".
I said ALLMOST.
And that right there is the problem. "My argument shows other wise." You don't even understand what my argument is or you wouldn't be responding that way but you're refuseing to belive that you're the one that doesn't understand.
No the problem is that by telling me I need to prove something fits" its evidence your not fully understanding what
the critira is in this case.
If you fully understoond you would know that I have nothing to prove.
And that reply is just more proof that you don't even understand what I was saying.
Look I'll say it again... I'm not saying anything about proveing the criteria.
I'm not going to into another long exsplination about what it is I'm actully talking about because I've given up trying to exsplain that part. No matter how I try to exsplain it you allways think I'm talking about the criteria. Even now after I've said multiple times that the criteria has nothing to do with it you still think I'm talking about it. I'm starting to think that my wording isn't even the problem here. It might of been but can't be now sence this is what? My third post in a row saying only this...
I'm not saying anything about proveing the criteria.
And you still think I'm talking about proveing the damn criteria? I could say anything I want, change the topic completly and you'll probly still be telling me that the criteria can't be proven. I know it allready, give it a rest, and work on trying to understand what it is I'm actully saying insted of what you think I'm saying.
I can't do a damn thing to correct myself untill you realize that. I can't even answer your answer your question untill you realize that. I'm not doing and can't do a damn thing untill you can at least accept and exsplore the possibilty that you do not understand what the true intentions are behind what I have wrighten.
Then prove me wrong by answering the question.
What did I just say? I have tried to exsplain myself to you intill I was quite literally blue in the face and you still have no clue what it was I was really saying so I'm not giveing you any more exsplinations on this subject. I can't answer that question without rewording what I've allready tried to exsplain to you multiple times. I know before I even answer that you won't understand the answer I give. And I know this because the answer was there multiple times before you even asked the question and you've allready proven to me that you either don't, can't, or are unwilling to understand it.
Simply put... I do not know how to answer in a way that you will understand.
and I know what the hell the criteria represents.
Prove it by telling me what the critiria is in this case....in your best words.
Covered abouve.
Even when I tell you how you came off as insulting to me in this topic you just shruged it off with some lame ass excuse.
Nonsense.
I addressed it and told you that I was in no way being insulting.
Heck I even apoligised for it even thou I didnt have too since I never directly insulted you.
Thats hardly shrugging it off.
You addressed it yes but that was hardly the same as correcting it or even appoligising. Even here you just said "I was in no way being insulting." which is a comp off. You're avoiding addmitting that you even made a mistake. What you should of said was "I was not intentionally being insulting".
And hell I don't see where anything you said even qualifies an an attempted appoligy. Hell I've heard appoligys from children who were ordered by parrents to make the appoligy sound more apoligetic than that.
You haven't really said much of anything to appoligize
Lie.
I did appoligize.
You on the other make direct insults and never apploigize.
Excuse me? Eye for an eye... I've never directly insulted anybody unless they've insulted me first and if and when it turns out to be a simple missunderstand I have appoligied for it.
I'm not the guy who looks at someone and desides "I don't like this person for no particular reason and I'm going to make their life hell." I'm the guy and who gets looked at while other people decide they don't like me for no particular reason and decide to make my life more of a hell than it allready is.
And hell I take alot of crap before I ever react to it. This isn't even the first time or an isolated insident that I've felt belitted by you or someone else and I normally just let it go, give you the benifit of the doubt and ignore it completly but you do it in nearly every single post you ever make.
There are nicer ways of pointing out someone's mistakes and telling someone they need to go back to school or saying "everyone else gets it but you" is not in any way the right way to go about it. "You need to got back to school" is basically "because you obviously didn't pass the first time" and "everyone else gets it but you" is basically "You're the only one too stupid to understand."
It's like telling a girl "You look nice today" which can allso be interpreted as "as apposed to how you normally look every other day of the year."
Comments like that may not be intended as insults but they can be interpreted as insults especially when you're speaking to someone who is paranoid and/or self contious as I am.
Yet another thing that sets us apart, if I say something to something and they took offence to it I appoligize to them even though I never intended to be offencive.
Thats an other lie.
You have insulted me with intent a few times in this debat with out saying sorry.
And you have done that every time we get into a long debate.....with out ever saying sorry.
That's not a lie and every time it's come down to that has only been because you said something I interpreted as insulting first and I did appoligize or at least tried to and I thought you accepted otherwise why are we even still speaking to eachother if you felt I owed you an appoligy for something I said in a different debate?
If there is something I didn't appoligize for which I doubt I'll appoligize now but I'd still like to know why you speak to me at all if you think I owe you one.
You've done it in this verry post. What do you think you're whole "you said A when you should of said THE" argument is if not a grammar correction?
No its not a grammar correction.
Changing the "A" into a "THE" changes the statement.
Bold, for something you claim isn't a grammar correction sure as hell sounds like one.
Grammar is how words are used are used in a sentence. Any time you say "you should of said this insted of that" you're giveing a correction in grammar. Any time you say to choose your words more carfully not so much correcting but still pointing out bad grammar.
I verry rarely if ever correct anyone in spelling and grammar and I only do it when I know I'm right.
"Rarely" is an understatement.
I have seen you correct spelling and grammar quite often with others and myself.
Not really. When was the last time before mentioning your lack of useing the ' you can remember me correcting anyone's spelling? Honestly I can't remember myself and being I'm the one who said it, whenever I can't remember the last time I did something, that seems to me at least like it's a rare occurance. Kinda like how offten I work at East Sonora and that's really rare because some times even my co-workers don't remember I've worked there. (I work for SRT which is split up into two theaters, East Sonora and Fallen House. I normally work at Fallen and all the other regulars at the theater are allways surprised to see me durring the rare occasions when I'm working at East.)
I never learned how to type myself
which would seem to be a lie.
When we were compairing schools and our education I asked you if you ever taught to type and if it was a reqirement of some of your classes and you said yes.
I don't remember you even asking that but I'm preddy sure you're remembering that wrong. Yes it was a requirement in school as part of my computer classes in Elementry and in High School but no I never learned to type. I didn't really see the point in it as I could hunt and peck fasted than some type anyway and I knew with my memory that I would never be able to type without looking at the key board so I only typed while the teacher was actully watching and the way the computer labs were set up it was impossible to watch everyone in the class at the same time. So while the teacher was buisy in other computer row I was hunting and pecking. Basically all it accomplished was makeing me have both hands at the key board even though I only need one. I got use to holding both my hands over the key board so I could quickly go back to the staring position whenever the teacher came back around to my row.
I still don't see any point in learning to type. I guess if you plan on getting a job where they're going to ask you "How many words can you type per min." then it's a usefull skill to have but who ever plans to get a typeing job?
I think the hunt and peck is even harder to work out of people now days due to texting. It's not really possible to type properly on a phone. Key board is too small to hold your hands in that position even if you have an actual key board.
We've both got problems Sto, and I hope you'll be OK but please don't think you're any worse off than I am. In fact I'm worse than you are just knowing about your failing kidneys and dialysis. I've got problems of my own I have trouble focusing on because I'm too buisy worrying about everyone else and I can't really do anything to help anyone else till I can learn to take care of myself first so I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Part of the reason I went to Idaho was so I could stay away from my family and have only myself to worry about and hell even from a different state with no friends or family to destract me I accomplished verry little in fixing the problems in my own life.
You allready know what problems I'm dealing with so don't bother asking and sorry for the rant.
Dont be sorry....and I hate to tell you this but....dont think your problems with your family can compair to what its like to have your body dieing on you.
You've appearently forgotten about my health issues which is what I was refering to when talking about "my own problems" the problems with my family would be issues that I want to deal with but can't untill I can take care of myself first but my first instinct is to want to ignore my problems and help my family first which is just makeing my problems worse.
Now to get off that topic I'm going to ask you a question.
If you want to prove me wrong so bad why havent you answered this question???
What exactly it st critira in this case?
I have asked you to spell it out a few time but for some reason you keep pussiefooting around it.
Seems to me that with all your insisting that you understand that you would be more then capable and willing to answer this question??
Is it that your afraid you really dont know the answer????Are you fearful of being wrong???
You shouldnt be........admitting to being wrong is the only way to learn from mistakes.
So here's your big chance......here's your bite at the apple.
Prove me wrong by answering the question.
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