alt.toys.transformers?Razorbeast88 wrote:Agreed! Where else would we vent about our frustrations if not in a discussion thread with the only other people that would feel our pain?
alt.toys.transformers?Razorbeast88 wrote:Agreed! Where else would we vent about our frustrations if not in a discussion thread with the only other people that would feel our pain?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:alt.toys.transformers?Razorbeast88 wrote:Agreed! Where else would we vent about our frustrations if not in a discussion thread with the only other people that would feel our pain?
It was the place for the online fandom to talk all things Transformers in the 1990s and early 2000s before all the big message board forums, Wikis, and social media came into being. More info here.Razorbeast88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:alt.toys.transformers?Razorbeast88 wrote:Agreed! Where else would we vent about our frustrations if not in a discussion thread with the only other people that would feel our pain?
I'm gonna be honest I'm not sure what that is hahaha
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:It was the place for the online fandom to talk all things Transformers in the 1990s and early 2000s before all the big message board forums, Wikis, and social media came into being. More info here.Razorbeast88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:alt.toys.transformers?Razorbeast88 wrote:Agreed! Where else would we vent about our frustrations if not in a discussion thread with the only other people that would feel our pain?
I'm gonna be honest I'm not sure what that is hahaha
And, remarkably, it still exists to this day as a Google Group.
sol magnus wrote: Calling him a "Legends" class (to me) is insulting.
blackeyedprime wrote:sol magnus wrote: Calling him a "Legends" class (to me) is insulting.
Calling him a deluxe is a lie though...maybe a new class called Delegended?
ZeroWolf wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:sol magnus wrote: Calling him a "Legends" class (to me) is insulting.
Calling him a deluxe is a lie though...maybe a new class called Delegended?
Its only a lie if you base the size classes on height, which Hasbro stopped doing a while ago
sol magnus wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:sol magnus wrote: Calling him a "Legends" class (to me) is insulting.
Calling him a deluxe is a lie though...maybe a new class called Delegended?
Its only a lie if you base the size classes on height, which Hasbro stopped doing a while ago
My goalpost is engineering and complexity of play. He's actually BETTER than most deluxes by that standard.
Same.sol magnus wrote:My goalpost is engineering and complexity of play. He's actually BETTER than most deluxes by that standard.
ZeroWolf wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:sol magnus wrote: Calling him a "Legends" class (to me) is insulting.
Calling him a deluxe is a lie though...maybe a new class called Delegended?
Its only a lie if you base the size classes on height, which Hasbro stopped doing a while ago
blackeyedprime wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:sol magnus wrote: Calling him a "Legends" class (to me) is insulting.
Calling him a deluxe is a lie though...maybe a new class called Delegended?
Its only a lie if you base the size classes on height, which Hasbro stopped doing a while ago
Only if you accept figures with reduced staturea at increased prices as being the same thing
As for engineering its hard to jusge on with TR kup/orion pax having masterpeice engineered legs to Earthrise primes legs almost a tiny turbo changers engineering. Deluxe RTS/Classics Bee had way more engineering and height over netflix bee.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Split the difference between Deluxe and Legends and consider Bee a Scout class/Basic class.
o.supreme wrote:I don't really have a dog in this fight, but objectively, on the outside looking in, I'd like to see comparisons of TR Legends BB and Netflix BB. I'm "guessing" they are around the same size. Objectively, I'll say Netflix BB is the overall better toy, but is it worth Double the Price? Is there really 2X detail, 2X engineering etc... all that going on between the TR and Netflix BB's (I'm honestly asking as I think it would be a good barometer for justification).
aronjlove wrote:o.supreme wrote:I don't really have a dog in this fight, but objectively, on the outside looking in, I'd like to see comparisons of TR Legends BB and Netflix BB. I'm "guessing" they are around the same size. Objectively, I'll say Netflix BB is the overall better toy, but is it worth Double the Price? Is there really 2X detail, 2X engineering etc... all that going on between the TR and Netflix BB's (I'm honestly asking as I think it would be a good barometer for justification).
Personally, without a doubt. The transformation is definitely more complex and the Netflix Bee is an actual VW Beetle. Seeing that logo when the feet come together while transforming into vehicle mode is sweet.
o.supreme wrote:I don't really have a dog in this fight, but objectively, on the outside looking in, I'd like to see comparisons of TR Legends BB and Netflix BB. I'm "guessing" they are around the same size. Objectively, I'll say Netflix BB is the overall better toy, but is it worth Double the Price? Is there really 2X detail, 2X engineering etc... all that going on between the TR and Netflix BB's (I'm honestly asking as I think it would be a good barometer for justification).
TF-fan kev777 wrote:I've got TR Bee ready for eBay soon, so I just took a look at the 2 of them (sorry no time for photos).
Netflix bee is definitely bigger both in terms of mass and size. Mass, TR is 31 grams and Netflix is 48 grams (just Bee, without the gun). The Netflix Bee car mode is about 3/4 of an inch longer as well. In bot mode they are pretty comparable, with Netflix Bee just a tiny bit taller.
Where you really see the difference is in the quality of the design and the articulation. TR Bee has no waist swivel, no ankle tilts, no wrist swivel, simple ball joints for the hips, elbows and shoulders, and a pin joint for the knees.
Netflix Bee by comparison has waist swivel, wrist swivel, ankle tilts, thigh swivels, and multiple pin and rotating joints instead of the ball joints for the arms and hips. Even just looking at a single leg from the hip down; TR Bee has 5 pieces of plastic that make up each leg (thigh, calf, foot, wheel and the little flap). Netflix bee has at least 9.
o.supreme wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:I've got TR Bee ready for eBay soon, so I just took a look at the 2 of them (sorry no time for photos).
Netflix bee is definitely bigger both in terms of mass and size. Mass, TR is 31 grams and Netflix is 48 grams (just Bee, without the gun). The Netflix Bee car mode is about 3/4 of an inch longer as well. In bot mode they are pretty comparable, with Netflix Bee just a tiny bit taller.
Where you really see the difference is in the quality of the design and the articulation. TR Bee has no waist swivel, no ankle tilts, no wrist swivel, simple ball joints for the hips, elbows and shoulders, and a pin joint for the knees.
Netflix Bee by comparison has waist swivel, wrist swivel, ankle tilts, thigh swivels, and multiple pin and rotating joints instead of the ball joints for the arms and hips. Even just looking at a single leg from the hip down; TR Bee has 5 pieces of plastic that make up each leg (thigh, calf, foot, wheel and the little flap). Netflix bee has at least 9.
Perfect, I love all the details you shared, that should help fans quite a bit. Thank you.
blackeyedprime wrote:Netflix Bee turning into a vw bug is the highlight of the figure, it does have more engineering over tr bee in general.
TR Bees ball joints are partly the reason (and results in his arms looking awkward) but tr bee dies have some better engineering in parts. Not only from the gimmick of a titan master driver having to be incorporated but it's chest has the accordian folding parts of Vehicon and kingdoms cyclonus for his chest area. Boat feet are still present on both the figures. Obviously no parts forming either which is upto the handler if that's better engineering or not.
Compared to classics deluxe with its folding seats, jet pack/trailer I'd say classics is the better over the two of them but it isn't a beetle. If tr bee had a wheel on his back and his arms had a few more transformations it would have been a lot better than it is, but £8 to £20 not seeing that difference.
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