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The new Transformers: DOTM TV spot that aired during last Sunday's Daytona 500 has been officially released in 1080p HD at Michael Bay Dot Com!

5150 Cruiser wrote:

froneyzone wrote: Yeah BUT Transformers toys came with the premise of "Robots in Disguise". We CAN blame EVERYONE for screwing up that whole premise - because now we no longer have that. If anything, it's just comes down to Autobots in disguise...and that's even stretching it (three NASCAR vehicles driving around anywhere other than a race track is not a disguise...especially with mech weapons surrounding their frame - they really do look like they came right out of another awesome 80's cartoon - M.A.S.K. I mean, you really need to check this out!

http://www.ilovethe80s.com/toys_toys_mask.htm

Razorback is awfully similar looking to one of them - Rhino looks an awful lot like our fearless Autobot leader does now, as well as Arcee looks just like Vampire and the list goes on and on and on...it's like Bay and his team and Hasbro has really lost touch of it's roots and decided to "copy" MASK stuff to make a new transformers toy line and movies from - and they don't care - they are making money! It's really is a shame.

How do we no longer have the oringal premise of "robots in disgise"? Because Irone hide is a Topkick truck and not a mini van? Cause Optimus has flames? Bee is a Camaro and not a beetle? This is not 1984. Were up to 2010. I want my TF to have a little flash (and consequently, thats what they have- A little flash) IMO, non of the autobots or decepticons have been overly falshy. I think they fit a modern day world preety darn good while still being atractive to the average audience.
As far as the nascar bots (wreckers), minus the guns on them, the differance between them and say the destructicons? They had an F1 car on their team roaming around the streets. And what about Mirage? Another race car. So this isn't the first time a full blown race cars have gone around the streets of the local neighborhood.
Anyhow, I'm sure there "Mech tech" modes are just that. Modes for battle. Concidering Patrick dempsey is a race car driver in the movie they proabably have stanard modes as well.

No S#!+ this isn't 1984 - that is EXACTLY why you would think there would be BETTER disguises! And since you started it - how many Peterbilt's have you've honestly seen driving around with that many flames and/or color scheme? I live in Chicago...near the highways and I haven't seen but one...and they looked like they were stuck on by hand and they were yellow on purple. The whole point of my little rant still holds true. If you saw the Autobots today in their Alt mode - you would know immediately that they were Transformers or at least knew something was up and going on. You say non of them have been overly flashy - SAY WHAT? You couldn't even buy Bumblebee's 2nd alt mode back when the first movie debuted. And that is my point - Hasbro gave in and decided to let money do the talking...and it's been said many times before...the first movie looked like one long dragged out car commercial - and because of that the movie stories hold no merit. Why even try to disguise when everyone knows that the cars driving around are the only ones? I just came from the Chicago Auto show and guess what - no Corvette Stingray - they scrapped it...it was just a 2009 concept car.

Many of the Decepticons haven't even tried to disguise themselves, so why even bother, especially since the Autobots and the military formed such a tight knit relationship right away, and everything can be erased and/or covered up by one branch or another creating some other story and erase everyone's mind and block internet videos/pics and magically fix everything like they did with Mission City and Shanghai. The whole movie franchise should have been called "Alien sentient robots from another planet, that can also transform, lost their cube and are now fighting for it." And now that you got me started - it looks like there's more reason to hate the Autobots now than ever - it looks like that character from ROTF was actually right - Director Galloway or Calloway (the liaison to the President) - when he said something like: "Then it seems the only reason the Decepticons are coming is to hunt you!" There has been no background as to how the Transformers actually got here (except Megatron) and nothing said about ever trying to leave to get back to Cybertron and new idea's keep coming up to try to make up good reasons to have the Decepticons keep flooding to earth to destroy it along with the Autobots. I mean seriously, The Fallen's sundestroyer machine thingy could have just as easily been placed on Venus or Mars without even having to cover it up and then we wouldn't even be having this conversation. haha

Now don't get me wrong - Transformers will ALWAYS be AWESOME! And the new "real-life" transformations are certainly the way to go - but when it comes to the movies...that is where they stopped with their creativity. Now it looks like we have a 3rd movie that looks more like Skyline vs M.A.S.K in 3D with Peter Cullen voicing the hero rather than "Transformers - the third and final battle for earth" featuring Optimus Prime! Thank god for all of the other writers and production teams out there for giving us other Transformers Universes...because I'm done with the movieverse - I tried and gave it my best shot - I can only wait for the next reboot and pray.

Anyone else notice that they did in fact change Prime's CG model? Got a real good look this time. Look at his abdomen, in the previous two movies the truck cab firewall forms the front of his chest just below the windows. In the trailer, he clearly has no firewall now, it's more open, and you can see more of his... hmm, innards? It's a whole new texturing whatever it is.

Now the area looks to have a stepped lip around the edges with no visible firewall armor.

Pontimax 01 wrote:Anyone else notice that they did in fact change Prime's CG model? Got a real good look this time. Look at his abdomen, in the previous two movies the truck cab firewall forms the front of his chest just below the windows. In the trailer, he clearly has no firewall now, it's more open, and you can see more of his... hmm, innards? It's a whole new texturing whatever it is.

Now the area looks to have a stepped lip around the edges with no visible firewall armor.

Hey good you pointed that out!
I believe its the new abdomen Prime gets
We have seen these in the Ultimate Optimus Prime toy ( which I didnt like by the way partially cause of the abdomen).
I was hoping it was a toy only thing ( Just like with the Mechtech weapons, but in the same picture we can see a BIG *SS gun as well, so that hope is gone as well)



This does not make me happy, I really liked the orginal model/sculp. Why does Optimus need abdomen???

What do you think?

Pontimax 01 wrote:Anyone else notice that they did in fact change Prime's CG model? Got a real good look this time. Look at his abdomen, in the previous two movies the truck cab firewall forms the front of his chest just below the windows. In the trailer, he clearly has no firewall now, it's more open, and you can see more of his... hmm, innards? It's a whole new texturing whatever it is.

Now the area looks to have a stepped lip around the edges with no visible firewall armor.

Yeah it does look like they changed the CG model a little. Can't tell yet if I like it or don't. Probably not a big enough difference for me to care, but we'll see. And wow, that is ONE BIG GUN! Megatron's gun better be at least that big or I'm gonna be mad

BATTOUSAI XD wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:Anyone else notice that they did in fact change Prime's CG model? Got a real good look this time. Look at his abdomen, in the previous two movies the truck cab firewall forms the front of his chest just below the windows. In the trailer, he clearly has no firewall now, it's more open, and you can see more of his... hmm, innards? It's a whole new texturing whatever it is.

Now the area looks to have a stepped lip around the edges with no visible firewall armor.

Yeah it does look like they changed the CG model a little. Can't tell yet if I like it or don't. Probably not a big enough difference for me to care, but we'll see. And wow, that is ONE BIG GUN! Megatron's gun better be at least that big or I'm gonna be mad

Good catch! I noticed it too kind of, but just chalked it up to the lighting int he scene. Now that you point that out, I see it. So Prime has been doing core workouts and tightening up his fabulous abs to impress Arcee...

jaws wrote:...Wonder if the thing with all the tenticles is Soundwave?

I've got to stop skimming the conversations at high speed. For a second there, I thought you were making a RotF Devastator reference.


All joking aside, I had a scathing response already typed up for those of you who started the flame war, but honestly, none of you is worth running the risk of me getting banned from this site by pointing out your blatant ignorance.

Sur_G wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:Anyone else notice that they did in fact change Prime's CG model? Got a real good look this time. Look at his abdomen, in the previous two movies the truck cab firewall forms the front of his chest just below the windows. In the trailer, he clearly has no firewall now, it's more open, and you can see more of his... hmm, innards? It's a whole new texturing whatever it is.

Now the area looks to have a stepped lip around the edges with no visible firewall armor.

Hey good you pointed that out!
I believe its the new abdomen Prime gets
We have seen these in the Ultimate Optimus Prime toy ( which I didnt like by the way partially cause of the abdomen).
I was hoping it was a toy only thing ( Just like with the Mechtech weapons, but in the same picture we can see a BIG *SS gun as well, so that hope is gone as well)



This does not make me happy, I really liked the orginal model/sculp. Why does Optimus need abdomen???

What do you think?

I don't know if I dislike it or not. In a way, those things always looked kinda like sagging robo-boobs. Especially on the toys. But with them gone, it leaves him kind of looking more athletic, but also more vulnerable. Last thing I'd probably do after being stabbed thru the chest in the last movie is ditch some of that frontal protection armor... but that's just me.

On Ultimate Optimus, that change isn't nearly as bad as the rest of the figure. With the front wheels on the arms and the goofy legs, the redesigned chest is one of my lesser complaints. But it'd be nice to see a remolded ROTF Prime with this chest, just for comparison.

froneyzone wrote: No S#!+ this isn't 1984 - that is EXACTLY why you would think there would be BETTER disguises!

Ok, then I ask you what disguises would you have them be?

froneyzone wrote: And since you started it - how many Peterbilt's have you've honestly seen driving around with that many flames and/or color scheme? I live in Chicago...near the highways and I haven't seen but one...and they looked like they were stuck on by hand and they were yellow on purple.

Ever scene a million dollors lay right in front of you on a table? Just cause you haven't scene it in person, doesn't mean they don't exist. I live along the higway 5 corador in northern California. Main truck route from Redding to LA. I drive this freeway regularly for work as well as made several trips from Norcal to LA. While not nessasarly exactly like Optimus, I have seen plenty of custom trucks run this route. Private truckers take great pride in their rigs.

froneyzone wrote: The whole point of my little rant still holds true. If you saw the Autobots today in their Alt mode - you would know immediately that they were Transformers or at least knew something was up and going on.

Um.. No. Your rant doesn't hold any water. In fact their a huge leak at the bottom. If i saw their alt modes today, i might just think they were damn nice cars/trucks. Not that they must be alien robots from another planet.

froneyzone wrote:You say non of them have been overly flashy - SAY WHAT? You couldn't even buy Bumblebee's 2nd alt mode back when the first movie debuted. And that is my point -.

Your aurgument still doesn't hold up. In nearly every generation of TF... In every universe... Their alt modes,.. Autobot and decepticons alike have always been overy flashy!! From G1, to energon, to animated, to TF: Prime. This is nothing new in the TF universe. Could you go out and by an F1 car like Mirrage in G1? could you get a Tyrell P34 F1 car like Drag Strip in G1?? Wheeljacks Lancia rally car alt mode? The list goes on and on dude.

froneyzone wrote:Hasbro gave in and decided to let money do the talking...and it's been said many times before...the first movie looked like one long dragged out car commercial - and because of that the movie stories hold no merit.

And its been said many times that G1 was nothing more than a 30 minute toy comercial. So what? hasbro is in it for the money. Always have, always will be. Problem is that you were dooped just like everyone else in the 80's with flashy alt modes. It wasn't a problem for you then, why is all of a sudden a problem for you now? TF like it or not, is a buisness. Also, GM donnated alot of vehicles for the movie which cut down on cost. Like it or not, people don't want to see a bunch of stock to stockish vehicles roaming around. They want vehicles that will get them excited. And you just not going to get that with an 84 dodge Caravan. I have more to say but my lunch break is over.

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Sur_G wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:Anyone else notice that they did in fact change Prime's CG model? Got a real good look this time. Look at his abdomen, in the previous two movies the truck cab firewall forms the front of his chest just below the windows. In the trailer, he clearly has no firewall now, it's more open, and you can see more of his... hmm, innards? It's a whole new texturing whatever it is.

Now the area looks to have a stepped lip around the edges with no visible firewall armor.

Hey good you pointed that out!
I believe its the new abdomen Prime gets
We have seen these in the Ultimate Optimus Prime toy ( which I didnt like by the way partially cause of the abdomen).
I was hoping it was a toy only thing ( Just like with the Mechtech weapons, but in the same picture we can see a BIG *SS gun as well, so that hope is gone as well)



This does not make me happy, I really liked the orginal model/sculp. Why does Optimus need abdomen???




What do you think?

I don't know if I dislike it or not. In a way, those things always looked kinda like sagging robo-boobs. Especially on the toys. But with them gone, it leaves him kind of looking more athletic, but also more vulnerable. Last thing I'd probably do after being stabbed thru the chest in the last movie is ditch some of that frontal protection armor... but that's just me.

On Ultimate Optimus, that change isn't nearly as bad as the rest of the figure. With the front wheels on the arms and the goofy legs, the redesigned chest is one of my lesser complaints. But it'd be nice to see a remolded ROTF Prime with this chest, just for comparison.

Pontimax, I couldnt agree more with you! The whole figure is just a big let down. Totally so not needed. The legs/ arms are indeed ... mehhhhh..

I love my Buster Prime, i think its a near perfect rendition of cgi prime.

But now when they start to mess with the model itself, i get depressed.
And dont let me get started on Prime
not having armour now after the ROTF backstab.... its just sad....

Autobot Megatron wrote:

jaredautobot wrote:I like the idea of Mechtech, especially now that we get to see it on Bumblebee. Seems like a nice idea...

... But it doesn't work in the toys. (Hope you're not mad I finished your sentence. I just hate sentence fragments! )
Don't get me wrong though, it is good on screen, just not in toys. Guess the blend of speed stars makes it.

Agreed. Now that I've actually bought some of the toys and tried Mechtech on them, I think the only real place it's going to work is in the movie.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

froneyzone wrote: No S#!+ this isn't 1984 - that is EXACTLY why you would think there would be BETTER disguises!

Ok, then I ask you what disguises would you have them be?

froneyzone wrote: And since you started it - how many Peterbilt's have you've honestly seen driving around with that many flames and/or color scheme? I live in Chicago...near the highways and I haven't seen but one...and they looked like they were stuck on by hand and they were yellow on purple.

Ever scene a million dollors lay right in front of you on a table? Just cause you haven't scene it in person, doesn't mean they don't exist. I live along the higway 5 corador in northern California. Main truck route from Redding to LA. I drive this freeway regularly for work as well as made several trips from Norcal to LA. While not nessasarly exactly like Optimus, I have seen plenty of custom trucks run this route. Private truckers take great pride in their rigs.

froneyzone wrote: The whole point of my little rant still holds true. If you saw the Autobots today in their Alt mode - you would know immediately that they were Transformers or at least knew something was up and going on.

Um.. No. Your rant doesn't hold any water. In fact their a huge leak at the bottom. If i saw their alt modes today, i might just think they were damn nice cars/trucks. Not that they must be alien robots from another planet.

froneyzone wrote:You say non of them have been overly flashy - SAY WHAT? You couldn't even buy Bumblebee's 2nd alt mode back when the first movie debuted. And that is my point -.

Your aurgument still doesn't hold up. In nearly every generation of TF... In every universe... Their alt modes,.. Autobot and decepticons alike have always been overy flashy!! From G1, to energon, to animated, to TF: Prime. This is nothing new in the TF universe. Could you go out and by an F1 car like Mirrage in G1? could you get a Tyrell P34 F1 car like Drag Strip in G1?? Wheeljacks Lancia rally car alt mode? The list goes on and on dude.

froneyzone wrote:Hasbro gave in and decided to let money do the talking...and it's been said many times before...the first movie looked like one long dragged out car commercial - and because of that the movie stories hold no merit.

And its been said many times that G1 was nothing more than a 30 minute toy comercial. So what? hasbro is in it for the money. Always have, always will be. Problem is that you were dooped just like everyone else in the 80's with flashy alt modes. It wasn't a problem for you then, why is all of a sudden a problem for you now? TF like it or not, is a buisness. Also, GM donnated alot of vehicles for the movie which cut down on cost. Like it or not, people don't want to see a bunch of stock to stockish vehicles roaming around. They want vehicles that will get them excited. And you just not going to get that with an 84 dodge Caravan. I have more to say but my lunch break is over.

i feel dirty but i agree with a lot you say

- the alt modes look convincing

- the acusation of the movies being commercials is to ignore g1 comics and cartoon, where bots and cons would line up for a roll call

shamone wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

froneyzone wrote: No S#!+ this isn't 1984 - that is EXACTLY why you would think there would be BETTER disguises!

Ok, then I ask you what disguises would you have them be?

froneyzone wrote: And since you started it - how many Peterbilt's have you've honestly seen driving around with that many flames and/or color scheme? I live in Chicago...near the highways and I haven't seen but one...and they looked like they were stuck on by hand and they were yellow on purple.

Ever scene a million dollors lay right in front of you on a table? Just cause you haven't scene it in person, doesn't mean they don't exist. I live along the higway 5 corador in northern California. Main truck route from Redding to LA. I drive this freeway regularly for work as well as made several trips from Norcal to LA. While not nessasarly exactly like Optimus, I have seen plenty of custom trucks run this route. Private truckers take great pride in their rigs.

froneyzone wrote: The whole point of my little rant still holds true. If you saw the Autobots today in their Alt mode - you would know immediately that they were Transformers or at least knew something was up and going on.

Um.. No. Your rant doesn't hold any water. In fact their a huge leak at the bottom. If i saw their alt modes today, i might just think they were damn nice cars/trucks. Not that they must be alien robots from another planet.

froneyzone wrote:You say non of them have been overly flashy - SAY WHAT? You couldn't even buy Bumblebee's 2nd alt mode back when the first movie debuted. And that is my point -.

Your aurgument still doesn't hold up. In nearly every generation of TF... In every universe... Their alt modes,.. Autobot and decepticons alike have always been overy flashy!! From G1, to energon, to animated, to TF: Prime. This is nothing new in the TF universe. Could you go out and by an F1 car like Mirrage in G1? could you get a Tyrell P34 F1 car like Drag Strip in G1?? Wheeljacks Lancia rally car alt mode? The list goes on and on dude.

froneyzone wrote:Hasbro gave in and decided to let money do the talking...and it's been said many times before...the first movie looked like one long dragged out car commercial - and because of that the movie stories hold no merit.

And its been said many times that G1 was nothing more than a 30 minute toy comercial. So what? hasbro is in it for the money. Always have, always will be. Problem is that you were dooped just like everyone else in the 80's with flashy alt modes. It wasn't a problem for you then, why is all of a sudden a problem for you now? TF like it or not, is a buisness. Also, GM donnated alot of vehicles for the movie which cut down on cost. Like it or not, people don't want to see a bunch of stock to stockish vehicles roaming around. They want vehicles that will get them excited. And you just not going to get that with an 84 dodge Caravan. I have more to say but my lunch break is over.

i feel dirty but i agree with a lot you say

- the alt modes look convincing

- the acusation of the movies being commercials is to ignore g1 comics and cartoon, where bots and cons would line up for a roll call

And as i type this hell is freezing over as we speak!

Funny thing is foneyzone never did reply. I'm a bit disapointed, as i was looking forward to him attempting to make any kind of rebutle. OH wait,.. He couldn't!