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News Credits: 3648 · Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:22 pm

Sabrblade wrote:"Shiny" isn't a color.

That is my point exactly regarding the Takara version of Rhinox specifically. Wrong color and it's shiny. Until we get a show accurate version from Takara or Hasbro, I'll take Hasbro's Rhinox any day.

News Credits: 462 · Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:25 pm

Even if it wasn't shiny, Takara's darker brown is at least closer to the show's brown than Hasbro's pale tan:

News Credits: 123 · Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:56 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Even if it wasn't shiny, Takara's darker brown is at least closer to the show's brown than Hasbro's pale tan

Pale tan? Hasbro's is much more a mottled grey than anything else. I just held my Hasbro Rhinox up to the screen, and it matches the pic color you just provided VERY well. So... you should let it go, I guess?

News Credits: 461 · Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:59 pm

megatronus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Even if it wasn't shiny, Takara's darker brown is at least closer to the show's brown than Hasbro's pale tan

Pale tan? Hasbro's is much more a mottled grey than anything else. I just held my Hasbro Rhinox up to the screen, and it matches the pic color you just provided VERY well. So... you should let it go, I guess?

I'm going to agree with Sabrblade. Takara's Rhinox colors are miles better, and it have tight knees.

Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:26 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Siger wrote:Hasbro wins IMO. I don't like SH*% colored Rhynox.
That's an oxymoron, since Takara's is clearly colored chocolate caramel while Hasbro's is more like diarrhea (apologies to any persons at or affiliated Hasbro offended by this comparison).

Hardly oxymoronic, I've never seen grey colored diarrhea. Show accurate or not is not my concern here, although watching clips on Youtube shows that he is sometimes pretty grey and sometimes pretty brown. You can blame that on the inconsistency of the show. The only thing better for me on Takara's version are the guns. Also agree with Megatronus that the shininess is a big turn off.

News Credits: 293 · Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:39 pm

not to mention it takes days of breeding to get a shiney rhinox. i went through 1153 eggs before i got mine.

News Credits: 1235 · Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:17 pm

1 mold...2 heads...2 different sets of weapons...2 different Takara Tomy Transformers lines. This could be used to describe the next pair of subjects to be inducted into the galleries of Seibertron. Lets look at them a little more closely shall we?

Generations TG-12 Air Raid features a wildly different deco than the Hasbro offering including paint and plastic colors. This is accounted for by the fact that the Hasbro figure was originally intended to be Fireflight but changed at the last minute to Air Raid which makes Takara's offering the true Air Raid.

Arms Micron AM-29 Shockwave with Bido was the first use of this mold in Japan. Shockwave has added 5mm ports on his wings to accomodate his Arms Micron partner Bido which not only serves as Shockwave's weapon but also transforms into a rhinoceros beetle. It is unfortunate however that Bido only serves as a hand held weapon instead of Shockwave's signature built in weapon hand.

If you enjoy this mold be on the lookout for our upcoming Botcon 2014 galleries which features the newest use of this mold, Brimstone. Until then click on the images below to view the full Air Raid and Shockwave galleries.

Transformers Generations Air Raid

Arms Micron Shockwave

Arms Micron Bido

News Credits: 1 · Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:51 pm

Funny how Hasbro's Shockwave is actually the one with the better paintjob this time around.

News Credits: 656 · Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:02 pm

Skywarp64 wrote:Funny how Hasbro's Shockwave is actually the one with the better paintjob this time around.

Same can be said for almost everything released under Takara's Arms Micron line where there is a Hasbro version, since AM relies heavily on stickers for decos.

News Credits: 1 · Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:04 pm

ScottyP wrote:
Skywarp64 wrote:Funny how Hasbro's Shockwave is actually the one with the better paintjob this time around.

Same can be said for almost everything released under Takara's Arms Micron line where there is a Hasbro version, since AM relies heavily on stickers for decos.

I guess I wouldn't know, I only recently started following transformers again.

News Credits: 656 · Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:10 pm

Skywarp64 wrote:
ScottyP wrote:
Skywarp64 wrote:Funny how Hasbro's Shockwave is actually the one with the better paintjob this time around.

Same can be said for almost everything released under Takara's Arms Micron line where there is a Hasbro version, since AM relies heavily on stickers for decos.

I guess I wouldn't know, I only recently started following transformers again.

Welcome back! Yeah the Takara release of most "mainline" Prime toys was pretty controversial, they traded paint for metallic stickers and microns and the success is quite hit or miss. Some of the stickers on the earlier releases have really cheap adhesive, and some are even made to go over oddly large/complex surfaces. For instance, AM-01 Optimus Prime's feet are colored in properly purely by one sticker per foot, it's not the best idea they've ever had. Anyway, hope you enjoyed this bit of unsolicited trivia

News Credits: 2 · Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:18 pm

Skywarp64 wrote:Funny how Hasbro's Shockwave is actually the one with the better paintjob this time around.

That's debatable. I actually find Hasbro's to be a bit too dark for my tastes so I gave the Takara version the weapon from the Hasbro version and he represents FoC Shockwave on my shelf. As for actual paint apps, there's not a lot of differences between the two other than on the wings.

As for the whole Takara vs Hasbro Rhinox debate, I have both and can be counted among those who prefers Takara's. The shiny paint isn't so shiny that it makes him look 'metallic' and the color is much closer to his brown appearance in the majority of episodes of Beast Wars. The Hasbro version is far too pale for my tastes and it didn't help that they didn't paint his weapons (though those could be easily swapped between them if you've got both versions, of course).

It bothers me though that Takara didn't take the extra step of painting on the two gold lines on his shoulders even though the mold has two bits molded in that end up placed pretty much perfectly for it. It would be nice to see the mold get the 'Telemocha' treatment with a perfect/near perfect show-accurate deco one of these days.

As for Waspinator, Takara's is definitely closer to the show, although it isn't perfect and I did do some painting and parts swapping with the Hasbro version to achieve the right look. His stinger needed to be black, he needed that gold turned yellow for the stripes etc., he needed black on his head crest thingy, he needed blue for his robot mode eyes instead of white, he needed the lighter green center torso/crotch bits from the Hasbro version and he needed the 'discs' in his shoulders to be painted yellow instead of being the same green as the rest of his arms. Once that was done, he became pretty much perfect and has now replaced my customized 10th Anniversary Waspinator on my Beast Wars Season 1 Predacons shelf.

We still need proper versions of the following though, so I can replace my kitbashes and customized versions:

Cheetor (season 1)
Airazor
Tigatron
Blackarachnia (season 1-2)
Terrorsaur
Scorponok (though when painted, he's pretty much perfect)
Megatron (Season 3, he seriously needs an update as he's the coolest version of any Megatron ever, but the toy is a real letdown primarily due to his aborted 'pilot' gimmick)
Tarantulas (season 1, though when painted, he's pretty much perfect, at least in bot mode)
Optimal Optimus (if they modded the existing toy to allow those cannons to fold back and be separate from the head similar to the Titanium version, that would go a long way to fix him)

The jury is still out on Rattrap until I get both versions (Hasbro's and Takara's) in hand, and while Henkei Dinobot isn't without its flaws, with a proper sword (a silver painted version of the sword from the original Dinobot mold) he's pretty much spot-on and sizes up well with Telemocha Optimus Primal, Basics Rattrap, Telemocha Cheetor (again, custom painted) and the rest of the Axalon crew from season 1.

Anyway, I got a custom 3rd party Shapeways head for Tigatron that pretty much fixed him (along with some modding of the figure itself to fix his bot mode chest) but I'd like to see more HasTak updates (MP pleeeeeeease!!!!) and/or 3rd party Beast Wars figures to flesh out the ranks with better, more show accurate versions of the characters. There aren't that many, so it wouldn't take as long as say, trying to complete the entire G1 cast or anything so I hope someone (official or not, though I prefer official) will take up the task of doing it.

Anyway, I'm glad to see the galleries getting filled out with some of the less current stuff/lines lately. It's awesome to have this invaluable resource that is Seibertron.com become more complete.

News Credits: 7 · Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:26 pm

With how the Hasbro version's gun barrel keeps popping off, my love for bug-bots, and the color scheme not being significantly different or reliant on stickers, I kinda feel like I should've just sprung for Takara's Shockwave. *shrug* Ah well...

I like how the Air Raids look distinct from Shockwave. Like you wouldn't think repaint/retool by looking at them.

News Credits: 123 · Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:39 pm

xyl360 wrote:Megatron (Season 3, he seriously needs an update as he's the coolest version of any Megatron ever

Really? I never would have guessed that about you.

Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:47 pm

Nice galleries as always Ryan. I bought the Takara Shockwave to use as a stand in for classics shockwave, but quickly replaced him on my shelf with BH Shockwave until a more G1 version comes out. Im not a fan of the Air Raid/Fireflight use of the mold. The best use so far has been Brimstone.

News Credits: 2 · Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:17 pm

Rated X wrote:Nice galleries as always Ryan. I bought the Takara Shockwave to use as a stand in for classics shockwave, but quickly replaced him on my shelf with BH Shockwave until a more G1 version comes out. Im not a fan of the Air Raid/Fireflight use of the mold. The best use so far has been Brimstone.

Have you seen the Takara version of Beast Hunters Shockwave? That purple metallic paint on him is quite beautiful. He's also currently my 'Classics' Shockwave.

News Credits: 462 · Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:25 pm

xyl360 wrote:
Rated X wrote:Nice galleries as always Ryan. I bought the Takara Shockwave to use as a stand in for classics shockwave, but quickly replaced him on my shelf with BH Shockwave until a more G1 version comes out. Im not a fan of the Air Raid/Fireflight use of the mold. The best use so far has been Brimstone.

Have you seen the Takara version of Beast Hunters Shockwave? That purple metallic paint on him is quite beautiful. He's also currently my 'Classics' Shockwave.

I think that's the version he was referring to. True, he only said "BH Shockwave", but I think I recall his once or twice saying how he has the Takara BH Shockwave (i.e. - Go! Hunter Shockwave).

News Credits: 251 · Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:13 pm

New gallery time! Courtesy of the photographing machine that is our site owner, Seibertron, today's subject comes from the much-revered Generations line, the newly released Voyager Roadbuster!

Roadbuster, like Whirl, is an homage to the Generation One Deluxe Vehicle of the same name, reimagined by the magic of modern engineering. Much like the earlier Generations Whirl, Roadbuster also comes with a selection of weapons that use a modular system. Want a scoped, precision-style M16-like weapon? You got it! Also included with Roadbuster is a sticker sheet, which adds even more detail on the Autobot. Check out the preliminary images below, and view the gallery by clicking the link below!

Generations Roadbuster

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Sky-Byte, that is he!

News Credits: 241 · Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:59 pm

Huh, first Sky-Byte, and now Roadbuster has a peg hole for a stand like Figma and Tamashii. Do all figures have that?

News Credits: 462 · Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:23 pm

Mindmaster wrote:

WRECK AND RULE!

News Credits: 11 · Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:51 pm

Looking great, nice gallery!

I'll probably leave a few of the stickers off, but he is a really awesome figure. Can't wait to display him and Whirl side-by-side.

Does the orange armor on the upper legs extend outward for robot mode? It kind of looks that way, he looks a little beefier than previous images have suggested. If so, that's a really cool feature, I'm glad they did that!

News Credits: 3648 · Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:08 pm

kirbenvost wrote:Looking great, nice gallery! I'll probably leave a few of the stickers off, but he is a really awesome figure. Can't wait to display him and Whirl side-by-side.

Does the orange armor on the upper legs extend outward for robot mode? It kind of looks that way, he looks a little beefier than previous images have suggested. If so, that's a really cool feature, I'm glad they did that!

It doesn't do that. The upper leg is one piece of plastic.

Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:24 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Huh, first Sky-Byte, and now Roadbuster has a peg hole for a stand like Figma and Tamashii. Do all figures have that?

I know some of the AOE Dinos have them, so... maybe?

News Credits: 1350 · Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:35 pm

Yweggo wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Huh, first Sky-Byte, and now Roadbuster has a peg hole for a stand like Figma and Tamashii. Do all figures have that?

I know some of the AOE Dinos have them, so... maybe?

Ahhh so that's what that hole is under AoE Slugs tail. I was wondring about that.

News Credits: 11 · Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:05 pm

Seibertron wrote:
kirbenvost wrote:Looking great, nice gallery! I'll probably leave a few of the stickers off, but he is a really awesome figure. Can't wait to display him and Whirl side-by-side.

Does the orange armor on the upper legs extend outward for robot mode? It kind of looks that way, he looks a little beefier than previous images have suggested. If so, that's a really cool feature, I'm glad they did that!

It doesn't do that. The upper leg is one piece of plastic.

Ah, I see. Must just be the camera angles. Anyway, it looks great!