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LOL, mo worries, man.Seibertron wrote:Sorry ... wrote that right before bed. Meant to say "Frenzy is blue and Rumble is red in my book". I corrected my original post. Now everything I wrote should make sense.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
But Takara was just following what they've always done in that case. Rumble and Frenzy have never had the their colors swapped in the Japanese media, so Japan has always been RIRFIB from the beginning.El Duque wrote:Seibertron wrote:tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.
It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.
I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
I couldn't disagree more. As you say, these are based on the cartoon after all and in the cartoon FIRRIB, so that is what I personally will be going with regardless of what name is on the packaging. I only read the comics a few years ago and didn't really enjoy them, so the cartoon from my childhood is what I base it onEl Duque wrote:Seibertron wrote:tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.
It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.
I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.
william-james88 wrote:So that would also be the case for Predaking, who is also six members.
Arctorro wrote:I couldn't disagree more. As you say, these are based on the cartoon after all and in the cartoon FIRRIB, so that is what I personally will be going with regardless of what name is on the packaging. I only read the comics a few years ago and didn't really enjoy them, so the cartoon from my childhood is what I base it onEl Duque wrote:Seibertron wrote:tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.
It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.
I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.
Seibertron wrote:Arctorro wrote:I couldn't disagree more. As you say, these are based on the cartoon after all and in the cartoon FIRRIB, so that is what I personally will be going with regardless of what name is on the packaging. I only read the comics a few years ago and didn't really enjoy them, so the cartoon from my childhood is what I base it onEl Duque wrote:Seibertron wrote:tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.
It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.
I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.
Except in Japan, they got the names "right" with the G1 cartoon to match the toy releases. The main blue cassette Decepticon is called Frenzy in the Japanese version of th G1 cartoon. So, going with that, Takara's consistency should speak volumes over Hasbro's inconsistencies.
william-james88 wrote:So that would also be the case for Predaking, who is also six members.
Arctorro wrote:Seibertron wrote:Arctorro wrote:I couldn't disagree more. As you say, these are based on the cartoon after all and in the cartoon FIRRIB, so that is what I personally will be going with regardless of what name is on the packaging. I only read the comics a few years ago and didn't really enjoy them, so the cartoon from my childhood is what I base it onEl Duque wrote:Seibertron wrote:tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.
It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.
I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.
Except in Japan, they got the names "right" with the G1 cartoon to match the toy releases. The main blue cassette Decepticon is called Frenzy in the Japanese version of th G1 cartoon. So, going with that, Takara's consistency should speak volumes over Hasbro's inconsistencies.
Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.
Again, don't careSeibertron wrote:Arctorro wrote:Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.
Except in the US, even the G1 toys were Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue. It was the cartoon that got it wrong but that's what everyone remembers unfortunately.
william-james88 wrote:So that would also be the case for Predaking, who is also six members.
Arctorro wrote:Again, don't careSeibertron wrote:Arctorro wrote:Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.
Except in the US, even the G1 toys were Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue. It was the cartoon that got it wrong but that's what everyone remembers unfortunately.As I've been saying, I'm going by the tv show because that's what I grew up with.
I'm definitely no expert, but aren't Hasbro sticking with FIRRIB these days?
Oh hell yes!JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Arctorro wrote:Again, don't careSeibertron wrote:Arctorro wrote:Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.
Except in the US, even the G1 toys were Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue. It was the cartoon that got it wrong but that's what everyone remembers unfortunately.As I've been saying, I'm going by the tv show because that's what I grew up with.
I'm definitely no expert, but aren't Hasbro sticking with FIRRIB these days?
The moral of the story is: sentimentality and nostalgia trump rational facts. Every. Single. Time.
william-james88 wrote:So that would also be the case for Predaking, who is also six members.
Except that their version came after ours. Their toys were RIRFIB because Hasbro's originally were, and the Japanese cartoon dub made the switch to their names to avoid the same confusion in the West. But nowadays, Hasbro's been leaning more towards FIRRIB with all of their current Rumble toys being blue and their Frenzy toys being red. It's very possible that the Hasbro MP Soundwave release could have Rumble and Frenzy named in a FIRRIB manner to reflect their current viewpoint.Seibertron wrote:Except in Japan, they got the names "right" with the G1 cartoon to match the toy releases. The main blue cassette Decepticon is called Frenzy in the Japanese version of th G1 cartoon. So, going with that, Takara's consistency should speak volumes over Hasbro's inconsistencies.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Seibertron wrote:Note to IDW: Please come up with some fiction that explains these two color swapping Decepticon brothers! Thanks.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ROTF Rumble:Delta Magnus wrote:Of course, we all know that the truth is that Frenzy is silver and Rumble doesn't exist.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sinnertwin wrote:Another FIRRIB RIRFIB conversation. Awesome. Because preaching to the converted is really going to change their opinion after all this time.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I'm on neither FIRRIB nor RIRFIB anyway. I'm on the side of FIRISCABIORIBISCARIO.
"Frenzy is red in some continuities and blue in others, Rumble is blue in some continuities and red in others"
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
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