That's Cartoon Universe Optimus Primal, this is Comic Universe Optimus Primal. This is the equivalent of G1 Cartoon Blaster (jammin' dude) vs. G1 Marvel Blaster (grim rebel), or G1 Cartoon Shockwave (Megatron's loyal yesman) vs. G1 Marvel Shockwave (logic-serving usurper), or Armada Cartoon Tidal Wave (big dumb juggernaut) vs. Armada Comic Tidal Wave (intelligent manipulator), or Energon Cartoon Ironhide (young doofus) vs. Energon Comic Ironhide (cautious scientist).AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Except those changes to Primal make him someone else. Primal only became reckless in his Beast Machines characterisation. He isn't some gung-ho cadet, like Animated Prime. His calculated and level-headed competence, demonstrated from The Pilot Part 1 to Nemesis Part 2, is what sets him apart from his contemporaries.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:That's Cartoon Universe Optimus Primal, this is Comic Universe Optimus Primal. This is the equivalent of G1 Cartoon Blaster (jammin' dude) vs. G1 Marvel Blaster (grim rebel), or G1 Cartoon Shockwave (Megatron's loyal yesman) vs. G1 Marvel Shockwave (logic-serving usurper), or Armada Cartoon Tidal Wave (big dumb juggernaut) vs. Armada Comic Tidal Wave (intelligent manipulator), or Energon Cartoon Ironhide (young doofus) vs. Energon Comic Ironhide (cautious scientist).AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Except those changes to Primal make him someone else. Primal only became reckless in his Beast Machines characterisation. He isn't some gung-ho cadet, like Animated Prime. His calculated and level-headed competence, demonstrated from The Pilot Part 1 to Nemesis Part 2, is what sets him apart from his contemporaries.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Or in other words: an actual reboot
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Or in other words: an actual reboot
Is it still a reboot if it is a virtual play by play recreation
"Paying homage" and "replicating everything exactly the same down to the smallest detail" are not the same thing.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Except, this is supposed to be paying homage to the show and its universe. You would have thought if the writer was such a fan he would have gotten that much right at least.
IDW lowering the characterisation bar again...
It's a reboot that's also a remake.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Or in other words: an actual reboot
Is it still a reboot if it is a virtual play by play recreation
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:"Paying homage" and "replicating everything exactly the same down to the smallest detail" are not the same thing.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Yes. This could start in a similar territory, and then dive off into new stuff suddenly. Besides, new characters, new characteristics, some different back story stuff = not the same.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Reboot doesn't mean literal hard reset from the get go everytime.
Sabrblade wrote:It's a reboot that's also a remake.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Always preferred Guido Guidi and Andrew Wildman.
Burn wrote:Still, could be worse, could have been John Romita Jr.
JazZeke wrote:The level of snark in here is rather disheartening. Beast Wars the show was damn near perfect. But it was a story that's been told. Every attempt to expand on it before has fallen flat on its face. Rebooting with an AU version gives us a chance to see these characters again, and at the same time potentially have a new, broader and deeper story..
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:JazZeke wrote:The level of snark in here is rather disheartening. Beast Wars the show was damn near perfect. But it was a story that's been told. Every attempt to expand on it before has fallen flat on its face. Rebooting with an AU version gives us a chance to see these characters again, and at the same time potentially have a new, broader and deeper story..
Maybe that’s the reason why. A Beast Wars comic made during the Beast Era would have been more than welcome (especially using the art of the toy bios). That didn’t happen. So maybe the resistance to all the retroactive media is because the moment has passed and the perception is it is better to leave Beast Wars story as it is.
JazZeke wrote:The moment's passed, agreed, but also the fact that the prequel and sequel comics all just... weren't very good. The Gathering/The Ascending, especially, dropped the ball HARD.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The Beast War happens on an organic planet. So what happened onboard the Axalon, prior to the crash. Or Rhinox' younger days as a janitor in Iacon, are basically superfluous and somewhat irrelevant. Much like their previous Cybertronian Altmodes.JazZeke wrote:The moment's passed, agreed, but also the fact that the prequel and sequel comics all just... weren't very good. The Gathering/The Ascending, especially, dropped the ball HARD.
100% agreed. I had high hopes for The Gathering/Ascending in light of Furman writing Nemesis and seeing those early splash covers with everyone from Beast Wars roster on it. Such a heavy focus on the Takara series' roster that I couldn't care less about, wasn't what I had in mind. Meanwhile Polar Claw and the rest of the toy-only cast were relegated to generic dialogue and visual cameos. Completely wasted opportunity.
- Post-Beast Machines
- Mini Comic Continuity
- TransTech?
These points of the Beast Era, I'd say have the most untapped potential. Each of them could literally go anywhere. Instead of homaging plagiarising someone else's work.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Though, a term that this comic uses incorrectly as a carryover from the older IDW Beast Wars comics is the use of "techno-organic" to describe the material that makes up their new beast modes. That term, as originally used on Beast Machines (where it was just "Technorganic"), is supposed to refer to a molecular blending of the organic with the technological as a distinctly different concept from what was used in Beast Wars. It's not right for it to be used in this case, as the Beast Wars bodies of the Maximals and Predacons are not techno-organic.
Sabrblade wrote: Dinobot's honorable nature is on point and sets up his eventual defection to the Maximals (which the author notes in his interview at the end of the issue will NOT be executed the same as it was in the show, meaning there's no telling how it will play out whenever it does happen).
I can't think of a single Optimus Prime who has this much zest and excitement for life that he's willing to take more risks and bend more rules for better results.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I mean what has been said about Primal's characterisation already brings to mind he has been shoehorned into one of the Prime archetypes and not who he actually is. He isn't supposed to be 'Prime: The Gorilla'. Bringing him down to that level does seem to be missing the essence of the character himself.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I can't think of a single Optimus Prime who has this much zest and excitement for life that he's willing to take more risks and bend more rules for better results.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I mean what has been said about Primal's characterisation already brings to mind he has been shoehorned into one of the Prime archetypes and not who he actually is. He isn't supposed to be 'Prime: The Gorilla'. Bringing him down to that level does seem to be missing the essence of the character himself.
If anything, this Optimus Primal is the living embodiment of the mantra "Sometimes crazy works!"
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