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I just love current legislation.
Keeps making me happy I'm in Canada.
Now's about the time for you guys to start harrassing your local representatives, no?

it comes down to the fact that the government can't taxt second hand stuff, so they'll force you to buy everything new

its f**kin stupid, there are far more important things to worry about in the world then this, whatever idiot came up with this needs to be shot, plain and simple

its about time the human race stopped being so retarded

For the love of primus what the hell. I hope ebay and all the other auction/trading sites find a way around this. I doubt theyll be effected since there not technically stores but you never know. The world we live really sucks doesnt it?

dent dent dent natha hobby bights the dust. and a natha one gone and nutha ones gone natha hobby bights the dust...i just realize..will this efect botcon...

You people are all a bunch of Chicken Littles.

Seriously.

How do you watch the news at night without having a heart attack during every single commercial break.

Optimist_Prime wrote:They want to enforce this with flee markets and yard sales?

Hey, all the more luck to 'em .

They plan on coming to your flea market and educating you.

JaZzTaStIc wrote:it comes down to the fact that the government can't taxt second hand stuff, so they'll force you to buy everything new

That doesn't make any sense. Any business, whether they sell new or used items, must collect sales tax (as long as they have Nexus). In addition, the Fed. Gov. doesn't collect sales tax. Only the States do.

nemesis-prime wrote:well im gonna sell stuff untill i get some kind of notice to stop, i might have to stop shipping to canada thou

Why would you have to stop shipping to Canada? Neither the Canadian customs nor its laws are affected by this.

Counterpunch wrote:You people are all a bunch of Chicken Littles.

Seriously.

How do you watch the news at night without having a heart attack during every single commercial break.

I agree with CP. A lot of you are getting worked up about a law that is too vague and too broad that it cannot possibly be enforced the way that it is written. In addition, according to the terms - most of you who plan to sell your Transformers are not going to be affected.

The only way that you might be affected by this law is through buying. Resellers may offer less if they are restricted. If that turns out to be the case, then your collection will increase in value.

I dunno.

I suppose next we won't be allowed to play guitars with our teeth because the strings vibrate and shatter jaws.

PROTIP: Read this, gang.

The Updated Article wrote:Therefore, the Counsel’s conclusion is that the new standard applies to only those products manufactured after the effective date of the new standard.

Further clarification:

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09086.html

CPSC Clarifies Requirements of New Children’s Product Safety Laws Taking Effect in February
Guidance Intended for Resellers of Children’s Products, Thrift and Consignment Stores

WASHINGTON, D.C. - In February 2009, new requirements of the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA) take effect. Manufacturers, importers and retailers are expected to comply with the new Congressionally-mandated laws. Beginning February 10, 2009, children’s products cannot be sold if they contain more than 600 parts per million (ppm) total lead. Certain children’s products manufactured on or after February 10, 2009 cannot be sold if they contain more than 0.1% of certain specific phthalates or if they fail to meet new mandatory standards for toys.

Under the new law, children’s products with more than 600 ppm total lead cannot lawfully be sold in the United States on or after February 10, 2009, even if they were manufactured before that date. The total lead limit drops to 300 ppm on August 14, 2009.

The new law requires that domestic manufacturers and importers certify that children’s products made after February 10 meet all the new safety standards and the lead ban. Sellers of used children’s products, such as thrift stores and consignment stores, are not required to certify that those products meet the new lead limits, phthalates standard or new toy standards.

The new safety law does not require resellers to test children’s products in inventory for compliance with the lead limit before they are sold. However, resellers cannot sell children’s products that exceed the lead limit and therefore should avoid products that are likely to have lead content, unless they have testing or other information to indicate the products being sold have less than the new limit. Those resellers that do sell products in violation of the new limits could face civil and/or criminal penalties.

When the CPSIA was signed into law on August 14, 2008, it became unlawful to sell recalled products. All resellers should check the CPSC Web site (http://www.cpsc.gov) for information on recalled products before taking into inventory or selling a product. The selling of recalled products also could carry civil and/or criminal penalties.

While CPSC expects every company to comply fully with the new laws resellers should pay special attention to certain product categories. Among these are recalled children’s products, particularly cribs and play yards; children’s products that may contain lead, such as children’s jewelry and painted wooden or metal toys; flimsily made toys that are easily breakable into small parts; toys that lack the required age warnings; and dolls and stuffed toys that have buttons, eyes, noses or other small parts that are not securely fastened and could present a choking hazard for young children.

anarky, union booo who cares us sells guns but they cracking donw on toys B*&^*(&S()&^t im alerject to bs cough

dragons wrote:anarky, union booo who cares us sells guns but they cracking donw on toys B*&^*(&S()&^t im alerject to bs cough

English, do you write it?

Read the post before yours.

Well, since those two updates, I've felt much better.

Rather than write a damn law... how about sanctioning the **** out of china for their poor survellience of quality control on goods they produce in their factories? (as well as the companies and factories involved). Granted, I know this new "law" doesn't really affect us that much, but I just find it absolutely pointless to write a law when there shouldn't have to be a law for something like this in the first place. And I'm truly sorry if I'm beating a long dead horse here with all this...

I mean seriously... the problem isn't the fact some used toys that are gonna be sold may potentially have lead in them (most of these toys were recalled anyway), but the fact that there was any lead in them to begin with, and while I don't blame China entirely, they're certainly partially to blame for not having stricter regulations and enforcing them on factories producing goods. You also have to blame the companies themselves as well for not keeping a closer eye on whats getting used to make the toys and whatnot in those factories. I mean look at Hasbro, none of their toys were recalled because they enforced the regulations/quality control much stricter than companies like mattel did, and now mattel is looking for a way to clear their name from all this.

I know this issue is ages old at this point, but the fact of the matter is laws like this one don't need to be passed, because they simply don't solve the problem, or even put a bandaid on the problem. The problem isn't even something that the United States had much to do with, if at all. The people who need to be put in line are China, the factory owners, and the companies who use the factories, but mostly the latter 2.

You know, when I was a kid back in the mid 70's to 80's our toys had sharp edges, lead paint, and could shoot missles that could choke you to death, and you know what? My generation lived to tell the tale without a frakking law saying the toys were too dangerous to play with. If parents would get on their kids for putting toys in their mouths, tearing them apart, ect, there would be no need for this law.
What next? Are they going to outlaw teddy bears for being too soft?

My local news station reported on it yesterday and said it would also effect Ebay. So we will have to wait and see

nothin can stop ebay

At least there was some kind of update that clearified it. I hope it doent effect the G1 transformers market thats were most loose open figs are.

nemesis-prime wrote:At least there was some kind of update that clearified it. I hope it doent effect the G1 transformers market thats were most loose open figs are.

See the bottom of Page 4. "The new standard applies to only those products manufactured after the effective date of the new standard."

BBTS has put this under all the toy's description;

Safety Warning: This Product is for Adult Collectors. It may contain sharp points, small parts that are choking hazards, and other elements that are not suitable for children under 16 years of age.

1337W422102 wrote:

nemesis-prime wrote:At least there was some kind of update that clearified it. I hope it doent effect the G1 transformers market thats were most loose open figs are.

See the bottom of Page 4. "The new standard applies to only those products manufactured after the effective date of the new standard."

I'm listening to you! Now if only we could get these other guys to listen...

Badass Grimlock wrote:

1337W422102 wrote:

nemesis-prime wrote:At least there was some kind of update that clearified it. I hope it doent effect the G1 transformers market thats were most loose open figs are.

See the bottom of Page 4. "The new standard applies to only those products manufactured after the effective date of the new standard."

I'm listening to you! Now if only we could get these other guys to listen...

I guess now we can tell them to see the top of Page 8!

1337W422102 wrote:

Badass Grimlock wrote:

1337W422102 wrote:

nemesis-prime wrote:At least there was some kind of update that clearified it. I hope it doent effect the G1 transformers market thats were most loose open figs are.

See the bottom of Page 4. "The new standard applies to only those products manufactured after the effective date of the new standard."

I'm listening to you! Now if only we could get these other guys to listen...

I guess now we can tell them to see the top of Page 8!

Ok.

SEE TOP OF PAGE 8!

I'd like to know how they're actually going to go about enforcing the law. I guess big companies like Hasbro and Bandai can have their testing facilities as part of the assembly process, but I don't see how every single toy produced after February 10th is going to get tested.

The new law is almost as ridiculous as the ban on text messaging while driving in Arizona. It's impossible to enforce.

robofreak wrote:I'd like to know how they're actually going to go about enforcing the law. I guess big companies like Hasbro and Bandai can have their testing facilities as part of the assembly process, but I don't see how every single toy produced after February 10th is going to get tested.

The new law is almost as ridiculous as the ban on text messaging while driving in Arizona. It's impossible to enforce.

The law may be set up to discourage companies and those that get caught. Like the example you gave with the text messaging. It's impossible to catch people in the act. But if a driver gets into a car accident and text messaging is found to be the cause, then the police can make an arrest. Without, then the person has not broken the law.

This law ain't gonna happen.