The Energon Pub

by **Volrath2242** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:36 am

http://www.kvue.com/index.html?category_id=48
This does not bode well....

News Credits: 16 · by **It Is Him** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:43 am

I don't expect the law to affect Ebay sales between collectors.

by **Volrath2242** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:47 am

Dude, the law is broad enough that eBay could litterarrly see many of their toy auctions disappear overnight come Feb 10th

News Credits: 23 · by **Energon** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:12 am

Then just re-list them as an adult collectable.

News Credits: 7 · by **Chaoslock** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:35 am

Energon wrote:Then just re-list them as an adult collectable.

That was what I was thinking... still, is it possible to go around the law that way? And if not, what will be the reaction of online TF sellers as BBTS, or others?
And how will this influence orders in and out of the US?

News Credits: 5 · by **Sledge** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:38 am

Sounds like this would be a good time for those of you across the pond to start harrassing your local politicians.

News Credits: 23 · by **Energon** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:38 am

Chaoslock wrote:
Energon wrote:Then just re-list them as an adult collectable.

That was what I was thinking... still, is it possible to go around the law that way? And if not, what will be the reaction of online TF sellers as BBTS, or others?
And how will this influence orders in and out of the US?

Online retailers would probably not be as affected as toy conventions where any age person can purchase items.

BBTS is large and sells tons of new products, their resale market is small comparatively.

The law states "toys used by children under 12". I think all on-line retailers need to do is put a disclaimer that the item is not for children under 12.

by **Volrath2242** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:42 am

Energon wrote:Then just re-list them as an adult collectable.

But what defines "adult collectible"? Out of the box where it will have no "For ages X+" I do understand this will be hard to enforce. But who is to say ebay will fold fast and pull everything they think will be affected by this? This will slap more people in the face then this law wants to and might get changed or pulled before Feb 10th any way.

News Credits: 38 · by **TheMuffin** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:43 am

You know, I'm looking for some other place to have this info, but I can't find it on CNN, MSNBC, Yahoo etc. Anyone wanna help me out?

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:59 am

There is nothing else to add to this stupidity.

by **Prime's Trailer** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:00 am

Another fantastically pointless law from the control obsessed state. That is really going to screw over us collectors and parents who rely on ebays bargain toy prices at christmas.
I'm sure it won't be long before the UK follows suit.
Instead trying to properly regulate serious problems such as international and homegrown terrorism, our governments target law-abiding citizens and, at most, low-level crime.
Rant over.
(:|

News Credits: 104 · by **Cyber Bishop** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:04 am

For the lazy.

A new federal law is raising concerns and questions nationwide and here in Austin.
On February 10, 2009 it will be illegal to re-sell any used children's products including toys and clothing. That is according to the U.S. Consumer Protection & Safety Commission who pushed for the new laws after dozens of toys were recalled in 2008 because of lead concerns.

Toys, clothing and other items used by children under 12 will be subjected to lead testing and will have to have labels on them to prove that they have passed inspection.

What is raising the ire of parents and business owners far and wide is what this will mean to clothing, toys and other children products made before February 10, 2009.

Gary Walthall, the owner of Once upon a Child, a resale shop specializing in children's clothing and other items, is afraid that he'll have to close up shop.

Adding to the confusion and frustration is the fact that the U.S. Consumer Products and Safety Commission is not returning calls or e-mails to the countless re-salers and even journalists who have tried in vain to get clarification on what the law means to garage sales and how it will be enforced.

Shame that all this is from those toys being recalled due to the lead issues.

News Credits: 4 · by **Kique** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:22 am

Dead Metal wrote::lol:

There is nothing else to add to this stupidity.

I second that !

News Credits: 3 · by **DISCHARGE** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:34 pm

You know, this is completely obsurd!

With the state of the current economy they are going to
destroy even more peoples income. I just lost my job, day after x-mas nonetheless, and now am resorting to selling portions of my collection until I can find another place to work. This gov is getting out of control in telling us what we can/can't do, and I'm getting fed up. They are supposed to work for us, not the other way around.

One minute they want us to recycle the next they tell us not too.
That's just what selling used clothing and toys is, recycling.
Does this mean that places like Goodwill and Salvation Army, not forgetting all the resale/thrift store, will have nothing to offer except used silverware and tvs that won't work without a converter box?

This law is trash and the politicians that pushed it through should have looked beyond their manicured estates and taken a drive down skid row. All those people rely on used goods to get by.

Out-of-control!

by **Volrath2242** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:29 pm

DISCHARGE wrote:You know, this is completely obsurd!

With the state of the current economy they are going to
destroy even more peoples income. I just lost my job, day after x-mas nonetheless, and now am resorting to selling portions of my collection until I can find another place to work. This gov is getting out of control in telling us what we can/can't do, and I'm getting fed up. They are supposed to work for us, not the other way around.

One minute they want us to recycle the next they tell us not too.
That's just what selling used clothing and toys is, recycling.
Does this mean that places like Goodwill and Salvation Army, not forgetting all the resale/thrift store, will have nothing to offer except used silverware and tvs that won't work without a converter box?

This law is trash and the politicians that pushed it through should have looked beyond their manicured estates and taken a drive down skid row. All those people rely on used goods to get by.

Out-of-control!

The law making don't know the coats that the smaller companies will have to take on to make sure everything "has nothing that will hurt anything" in it. They don't mean to get angry letters from moms how just caught their kid licking a toy that had lead in it and now they are mildly retarded. But hey lets make sure this fine nation can make sure the little guy has no leg to stand on.

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:35 pm

King of Terror wrote:
DISCHARGE wrote:You know, this is completely obsurd!

With the state of the current economy they are going to
destroy even more peoples income. I just lost my job, day after x-mas nonetheless, and now am resorting to selling portions of my collection until I can find another place to work. This gov is getting out of control in telling us what we can/can't do, and I'm getting fed up. They are supposed to work for us, not the other way around.

One minute they want us to recycle the next they tell us not too.
That's just what selling used clothing and toys is, recycling.
Does this mean that places like Goodwill and Salvation Army, not forgetting all the resale/thrift store, will have nothing to offer except used silverware and tvs that won't work without a converter box?

This law is trash and the politicians that pushed it through should have looked beyond their manicured estates and taken a drive down skid row. All those people rely on used goods to get by.

Out-of-control!

The law making don't know the coats that the smaller companies will have to take on to make sure everything "has nothing that will hurt anything" in it. They don't mean to get angry letters from moms how just caught their kid licking a toy that had lead in it and now they are mildly retarded. But hey lets make sure this fine nation can make sure the little guy has no leg to stand on.

News Credits: 23 · by **Energon** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:39 pm

Here is one link that I found related, I am sure from here if someone wants to spend the time they can find the original source.

http://www.cpsc.gov/library/foia/advisory/322.pdf

News Credits: 402 · by **Mkall** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:33 pm

I wonder if this explains BBTS's recent warning?

BBTS wrote:Safety Warning: This Product is for Adult Collectors. It may contain sharp points, small parts that are choking hazards, and other elements that are not suitable for children under 16 years of age.

News Credits: 12 · by **nemesis-prime** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:52 pm

Cyber Bishop wrote:For the lazy.

A new federal law is raising concerns and questions nationwide and here in Austin.
On February 10, 2009 it will be illegal to re-sell any used children's products including toys and clothing. That is according to the U.S. Consumer Protection & Safety Commission who pushed for the new laws after dozens of toys were recalled in 2008 because of lead concerns.

Toys, clothing and other items used by children under 12 will be subjected to lead testing and will have to have labels on them to prove that they have passed inspection.

What is raising the ire of parents and business owners far and wide is what this will mean to clothing, toys and other children products made before February 10, 2009.

Gary Walthall, the owner of Once upon a Child, a resale shop specializing in children's clothing and other items, is afraid that he'll have to close up shop.

Adding to the confusion and frustration is the fact that the U.S. Consumer Products and Safety Commission is not returning calls or e-mails to the countless re-salers and even journalists who have tried in vain to get clarification on what the law means to garage sales and how it will be enforced.

Shame that all this is from those toys being recalled due to the lead issues.

I rember having a voltron toy taken away from me when i was 7 because of the lead paint. That was 1987. :sad:

News Credits: 12 · by **nemesis-prime** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:55 pm

Mkall wrote:I wonder if this explains BBTS's recent warning?

BBTS wrote:Safety Warning: This Product is for Adult Collectors. It may contain sharp points, small parts that are choking hazards, and other elements that are not suitable for children under 16 years of age.

It must ill have to start outting a warning on my ebay auctions.
Screw u Gov-ment they are prolly still pissed they cant tax eBay sellers unless they have a business and tax liscence.

News Credits: 1 · by **Symbiote Spiderman14** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:33 pm

More info on it but it is very confusing
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-t ... 3247.story
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtex ... =h110-4040

News Credits: 12 · by **nemesis-prime** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:42 pm

Symbiote Spiderman14 wrote:More info on it but it is very confusing
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-t ... 3247.story
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtex ... =h110-4040

yes very confusing still gonna sell my stuff on eBay screw them :-x

News Credits: 1 · by **Agent 007** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:05 pm

lame, now quick we gotta form a tf underground railroad!

News Credits: 5749 · by **El Duque** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:09 pm

Mkall wrote:I wonder if this explains BBTS's recent warning?

BBTS wrote:Safety Warning: This Product is for Adult Collectors. It may contain sharp points, small parts that are choking hazards, and other elements that are not suitable for children under 16 years of age.

You beat me to it, but I was thinking the same thing. I bet this has something to do with this new law.