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Cobotron wrote:

Deadput wrote:"Oh I'm Sabr the encyclopedia of knowledge here so clearly I'm right" smart person around here you have to always be right.

OK DUDE. Take a deep breath. count to 10. What ever it takes.

Sorry I'm getting way more emotionally invested in this then I usually am this is the first time I have seen something in Transformers I'm actually afraid I'm going to dislike up until now I was ok with everything Hasbro does.


That "smart guy" comment is because this is how most arguments between the two of us goes since Sabr can just google up or bring up an example and say "well your wrong because this is true"

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

Deadput wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:What about Starscream?

Most people don't even like Starscream and he isn't even a Prime and clearly this Prime is replacing Starscream because everyone is getting tired of him and it's about time anyways.


It's not about them becoming the leader of Cybertron if it was I would be fine with it and in fact would remove Hound from my vote but it's about them ascending to Prime hood permanently.


Permanently this is going to be another Rodimus situation guys so vote carefully and just think about who would make a good prime for reasons besides getting a toy of them sooner.

I personally think Arcee, Hound, and Ultra Magnus are the best options. I still think Arcee is best as far as creativity though. I want another female Prime.

I get the idea of wanting a female Prime too; but I don't really want a female Prime just for the sake of having a female Prime. I'd prefer a better character than Arcee personally, or at least one that fits the role like Pyra Magna.

Kurona wrote:Hound actually has had a leadership role before; in Furman-era IDW he commanded his own little group which included Sideswipe, Warpath, Skram and Road Rocket. And much later during Dark Cybertron while both Magnus and Rodimus were off doing other things, he assumed control of the Lost Light.

Wasn't Hound a squad leader in the G2 comics too?


He had an interesting arc there where he tries his best not to give in to anger and bloodlust.


Hound is the best contender in all categories and it would bring someone who was originally going to be the kid appeal character before Bumblebee back from the obscurity he has had for awhile.


Hound has not been relevant in the IDW comics for now either so this would be great since Hound has always been in my top 5 Autobots.

Kurona wrote:I get the idea of wanting a female Prime too; but I don't really want a female Prime just for the sake of having a female Prime. I'd prefer a better character than Arcee personally, or at least one that fits the role like Pyra Magna.

Same here a female Prime just to have one (Which we already do with Solus and Animated Overide) would be horribly executed and honestly Arcee has never shown any of the requisites to be a Prime either in G1 or IDW.


Why is she even on this list instead of say Springer who has had multiple times in multiple continuities been said to either be the next choice for Autobot leader or has high comparability with the Matrix of Leadership unlike Arcee.


Pyra Magna would be a good choice to me she is like a female Ultra Magnus not in a their the exact same person but as an another Ultra Magnus/Delta Magnus situation heck Magna is like pretty much another word for Magnus.

Deadput wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

Deadput wrote:"Oh I'm Sabr the encyclopedia of knowledge here so clearly I'm right" smart person around here you have to always be right.

OK DUDE. Take a deep breath. count to 10. What ever it takes.

Sorry I'm getting way more emotionally invested in this then I usually am this is the first time I have seen something in Transformers I'm actually afraid I'm going to dislike up until now I was ok with everything Hasbro does.


That "smart guy" comment is because this is how most arguments between the two of us goes since Sabr can just google up or bring up an example and say "well your wrong because this is true"

Then do counter-Googling!

In all seriousness, I entirely understand, dude. I sometimes have an idea I love, and when I express it I get a bunch of people telling me I'm wrong. It's life on the boards though. I've learned to deal.

Anyway, let me just say a thought on this whole "bad guy Primes" thing. Here's the thing: I personally think this line is going to center around matrixes. This means that bad guys will have matrixes also. I personally think they'll explain it away as something like "the dark spark" or something. This provides new fiction ideas about Decepticons and Autobots alike now being able to have their own Primes. Coupled with the fact that the Matrix(es) chooses itself who it will turn into a Prime, I can imagine Megatron becoming a good guy Prime, and having more evil characters become Decepticon Primes with their imitation matrixes.

Deadput wrote:

Kurona wrote:I get the idea of wanting a female Prime too; but I don't really want a female Prime just for the sake of having a female Prime. I'd prefer a better character than Arcee personally, or at least one that fits the role like Pyra Magna.

Same here a female Prime just to have one (Which we already do with Solus and Animated Overide) would be horribly executed and honestly Arcee has never shown any of the requisites to be a Prime either in G1 or IDW.


Why is she even on this list instead of say Springer who has had multiple times in multiple continuities been said to either be the next choice for Autobot leader or has high comparability with the Matrix of Leadership unlike Arcee.

Simple; she's the mandatory "ah we need to put a girl on there" category. A bit like how every cartoon in the 80s or 90s had to have at least one girl on the team. Hell, that's why Arcee was created in the first place!
It's just a shame she's the main female character now when she rarely has a notable personality, and when she does it's... IDW, where she's honestly the worst part of it imo. Probably a bit opinionated but the only time I liked an Arcee was TFP and I really wish they could have chosen a cooler female character for that spot.

I can imagine that this list might not be the full list. They could add Springer (which I would love), or maybe even Elita. Arcee is only my current vote.

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:
Then do counter-Googling!

In all seriousness, I entirely understand, dude. I sometimes have an idea I love, and when I express it I get a bunch of people telling me I'm wrong. It's life on the boards though. I've learned to deal.

Anyway, let me just say a thought on this whole "bad guy Primes" thing. Here's the thing: I personally think this line is going to center around matrixes. This means that bad guys will have matrixes also. I personally think they'll explain it away as something like "the dark spark" or something. This provides new fiction ideas about Decepticons and Autobots alike now being able to have their own Primes. Coupled with the fact that the Matrix(es) chooses itself who it will turn into a Prime, I can imagine Megatron becoming a good guy Prime, and having more evil characters become Decepticon Primes with their imitation matrixes.

Me and Sabr are opposites in our information Sabr uses the internet but usually what I'm talking about involves about what I have gathered from experience through out the franchise or what my "heart" tells me.

Also a whole line of Primes besides the 13 would make the whole thing about being a Prime no longer a special big deal like it was back in 1986 with Rodimus having a couple of Primes in the past such as Sentinel, Nova and Zeta is fine since their characters from the past but when you have like 7 or 10 modern Primes running around it's no longer special.


Whoever this new Prime is it has to be someone who fits the ideal role model of Prime among the same pedestal as Optimus and Rodimus otherwise this vote is pointless and not special if we get a fake pretender Prime that is not a good guy or a character that would ruin their character due to being more interesting for not being a prime like Optimus Primal, Ultra Magnus, Star Saber.

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

Deadput wrote:"Oh I'm Sabr the encyclopedia of knowledge here so clearly I'm right" smart person around here you have to always be right.

OK DUDE. Take a deep breath. count to 10. What ever it takes.

Sorry I'm getting way more emotionally invested in this then I usually am this is the first time I have seen something in Transformers I'm actually afraid I'm going to dislike up until now I was ok with everything Hasbro does.


That "smart guy" comment is because this is how most arguments between the two of us goes since Sabr can just google up or bring up an example and say "well your wrong because this is true"

Then do counter-Googling!

In all seriousness, I entirely understand, dude. I sometimes have an idea I love, and when I express it I get a bunch of people telling me I'm wrong. It's life on the boards though. I've learned to deal.

Anyway, let me just say a thought on this whole "bad guy Primes" thing. Here's the thing: I personally think this line is going to center around matrixes. This means that bad guys will have matrixes also. I personally think they'll explain it away as something like "the dark spark" or something. This provides new fiction ideas about Decepticons and Autobots alike now being able to have their own Primes. Coupled with the fact that the Matrix(es) chooses itself who it will turn into a Prime, I can imagine Megatron becoming a good guy Prime, and having more evil characters become Decepticon Primes with their imitation matrixes.

And let's not forget that one of the original 13 Primes was a Decepticon himself (and considered the "first Decepticon" in both the Movieverse and the current RID cartoon).

Sabrblade wrote:And let's not forget that one of the original 13 Primes was a Decepticon himself (and considered the "first Decepticon" in both the Movieverse and the current RID cartoon).

Your talking about the Bay movie version and the aligned RID version neither who are the orginal flaming G1 Version who was neither Autobot or Decepticon but he was evil but he was not always bad either which is my point.


A Prime can become a bad guy later like Fallen and Nova that is fine but when a character who before hand was evil and would never have been considered a Prime normally suddenly becomes one its a problem a badly executed idea that was never good in the first place.

My top 3 would include Deathsaurus, Primal, and Hound. Those 3 are the best picks in my book and would all make great Primes to me.

Deadput wrote:A Prime can become a bad guy later like Fallen and Nova that is fine but when a character who before hand was evil and would never have been considered a Prime normally suddenly becomes one its a problem a badly executed idea that was never good in the first place.

Yeah, because a bad guy redeeming himself has never ever been done before and such a concept is totally ludicrous.

Totally ...

Deathsaurus gets my vote. If he doesn't get it though I really hope Megatron wins. If anyone on this list actually deserves the title of prime it's him.

Burn wrote:Yeah, because a bad guy redeeming himself has never ever been done before and such a concept is totally ludicrous.

Totally ...

But their still not pure hearted like Orion or Hot Rod were


Plus who here would of ever considered any of those decepticons or just decepeticons in general to become a Prime because I can tell you up until today nobody wanted or asked for a Megatron Prime, Thunderwing Prime Shockwave Prime or a Deathasuars Prime

...I've known several hardcore fans who've wanted to see a Megatron Prime, if only to explore the concept.

Deadput wrote:

Burn wrote:Yeah, because a bad guy redeeming himself has never ever been done before and such a concept is totally ludicrous.

Totally ...

But their still not pure hearted like Orion or Hot Rod were


Plus who here would of ever considered any of those decepticons or just decepeticons in general to become a Prime because I can tell you up until today nobody wanted or asked for a Megatron Prime, Thunderwing Prime Shockwave Prime or a Deathasuars Prime

Animated did it...

steals_your_goats wrote:Deathsaurus gets my vote. If he doesn't get it though I really hope Megatron wins. If anyone on this list actually deserves the title of prime it's him.

Yes the genocider of Cybertron who slaughtered thousands of Autobots deserves to become a Prime just like the Autobot leader.

I'm sure most fans would love that.

I'm not the minority when it comes to this probably most hard core G1 fans such as that 1984forever guy would hate the idea of any Decepticon especially Megatron becoming one of which they have fought.

And in IDW I thought the Decpeticons hated Primes so why would one of them become one of them?

Besides, just because we didn't want it before doesn't mean we don't find this new idea posed to us as fun and interesting.

Ok, hold up. I've got this. Light bulbs everywhere.

Let's grab hold of a couple of assumptions first.

1. This is tied to the main thematic element for next year's toys.

2. This follows in some logical way (pun not intended) from Combiner Wars and Titans Return.

So we've got Combiner Wars which focused on a huge portion of G1 Season 2 characters that didn't have a "classics" incarnation. Additionally, it closed some toy gaps in G1 Season 1 "Classics" with Devastator, Bombshell, Huffer, and gave some second chances with stuff like Jetfire and a G1-ish Megatron.

Titans Return is covering Season 3 and The Rebirth. Or S3 and the Japan G1 Headmasters series. Along the way, hey, awesome, some more gaps are getting closed like Soundwave. But Blaster and Soundwave also had repaints in what series? Headmasters. It's also starting to grab on to Powermasters and/or Super God Masterforce with Ginrai and (presumably) Overlord.

However we're already seeing some weird stretch in from Victory and elsewhere, with Black Shadow, Lione, and Shuffler.

However, it's got to be said that I don't think Hasbro would pursue a Japanese G1 path too briskly. It wouldn't make sense for them. Japan's G1 continuity is awesome, but is there money in it? Sure, yes, but money that a huge megacorp like Hasbro would care about? Nope. At the same time, you don't want to alienate those fans, do you?

So let's say you're Ben Montano or someone else on the Hasbro crew and you're looking at Generations and wondering, "what's next?" Sure, there are more combiners that could be done, but they're mostly Decepticons which are a harder sell to your bosses at the focus of the line. On top of that, the big centerpiece Titan figure voted on by fans is a Decepticon - Trypticon.

Couldn't the line move on to Pretenders? Micromasters? Even go into the 90s with Beast Wars? You know what that screams to my business side? Risk. Big risk. Beast Wars was never the bona fide phenomenon that G1 was in the 80s, and the way this anniversary year went is, I think, more evidence in support of this. At the same time, you don't want to alienate those fans, do you?

IDW has a pretty popular "Neo G1" going on, but look at the monthly sales. That tells me if I'm Hasbro that a niche IDW toy could move 10,000 units in the worst case. Do you know what has runs around 10,000 units? Not much is that low. That gets you Primal Prime levels of low units. At the same time, you don't want to alienate those fans, do you?

Suddenly, the CW cartoon comes out, and I looked at some of those comments Sabrblade linked to on Facebook for the TR show announcement. There's a lot of "Moar G1 plz", for better or worse.

But not "new G1". G1. Just that. Just the U.S. cartoon which can be sold in a boardroom, for better or worse.

Remember our assumptions? Go check because here comes my punchline.

Could this be for an imaginary G1 Season 5's toyline?

But wait, Megatron is dead! Dude, Optimus Primal's there right? Who do you think that Megatron is? Look at his forehead. See a familiar shape?



But wait, Japan G1! Hasbro probably wouldn't have any qualms about ignoring that fictionally, but co-opt some of those characters that America didn't get, allowing some sweet Takara synergy? There's a win.

Oh, and hey, Thunderwing. One of the most popular G1 comic characters, but one that was never in the show. What if he was?

Throw in some fan favorites from earlier seasons (the left hand side of the poster) like the other lines, and that's not only some risk management, they help Trypticon fit in more.

Plot? Galvatron is defeated, but Rodimus Prime is dead. Let the fans decide what's up with the Matrix and let's go for this ride. Maybe the Thirteen will like it, maybe they won't. Maybe some lost colony of Cybertronians bridges us a gap between The Rebirth and Beast Wars. Maybe you eat some of those distinctive Milano cookies?

Alternately, knowing what something turns into isn't the same as knowing what it's for, so that plot piece could be way off base.

That's all. I'm out.

Deadput wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:Deathsaurus gets my vote. If he doesn't get it though I really hope Megatron wins. If anyone on this list actually deserves the title of prime it's him.

Yes the genocider of Cybertron who slaughtered thousands of Autobots deserves to become a Prime just like the Autobot leader.

I'm sure most fans would love that.

I'm not the minority when it comes to this probably most hard core G1 fans such as that 1984forever guy would hate the idea of any Decepticon especially Megatron becoming one of which they have fought.

And in IDW I thought the Decpeticons hated Primes so why would one of them become one of them?

Hey guy why don't you stop speaking for others that you have no business speaking for and stop telling every single person on here that votes for someone besides the one you want that they're wrong? How about that? Everyone has their own personal preference and opinions.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Animated did it...

Shockwave was pretending to be a Prime which in animated is only a rank and not a mystical grand leader like in G1 but Shockwave was not a true prime otherwise that disguise would not be needed and he would of been Shockwave Prime even when he was not with the Autobots but that's not true since in the shows and toys it is


Shockwave and Longarm Prime not Shockwave Prime and Longarm Prime


Same case here if Shockwave wins since he would not be a real Prime or an ideal Prime in the first place because Shockwave is evil unless they permanently keep him redeemed in his Senator Shockwave state.

steals_your_goats wrote:
Hey guy why don't you stop speaking for others that you have no business speaking for and stop telling every single person on here that votes for someone besides the one you want that they're wrong? How about that? Everyone has their own personal preference and opinions.

I don't care if you vote for someone else go ahead I don't care what I do care about is the if an evil Decepticons becomes a Prime!


Why does no one see how morally wrong that is in-universe?

Deadput wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:
Hey guy why don't you stop speaking for others that you have no business speaking for and stop telling every single person on here that votes for someone besides the one you want that they're wrong? How about that? Everyone has their own personal preference and opinions.

I don't care if you vote for someone else go ahead I don't care what I do care about is the if an evil Decepticons becomes a Prime!


Why does no one see how morally wrong that is in-universe?

There have been bad primes before. What difference does it honestly make if a prime was an autobot that went bad as opposed to just a decepticon?

Deadput wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Animated did it...

Shockwave was pretending to be a Prime which in animated is only a rank and not a mystical grand leader like in G1 but Shockwave was not a true prime otherwise that disguise would not be needed and he would of been Shockwave Prime even when he was not with the Autobots but that's not true since in the shows and toys it is


Shockwave and Longarm Prime not Shockwave Prime and Longarm Prime


Same case here if Shockwave wins since he would not be a real Prime or an ideal Prime in the first place because Shockwave is evil unless they permanently keep him redeemed in his Senator Shockwave state.

...but also Prime's have been shown in several cases to be just ranks in several universes, so he really could be "Shockwave Prime" and not have a matrix. the matrix didn't exist in animated.

And really, there are no guys on that list who couldn't be a Prime. they may be bad in some universes, but there exists a universe where they were all good at some point.

So really, anything is possible. And I'd find a Decepticon Prime cool. Would really offset things, like how Starscream has been running Cybertron in IDW and is making it work and has for years

steals_your_goats wrote:
There have been bad primes before. What difference does it honestly make if a prime was an autobot that went bad as opposed to just a decepticon?

NO NO NO NO NO

Read my other freaking posts before hand there is a major difference between a Prime who goes bad later after they have became one and a guy who was already a really evil person who did really evil things who is suddenly forgiven and becomes a Prime and the damn leader of their planet

and all of those Primes were fakes anyways it's acknowledged in story that they were not chosen by the matrix and were voted for by the corrupted senate.

No Decepticon will ever be a Good Prime because eventually they are to have to go back to being bad guys again like how Megatron is going to become evil again in IDW.