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Sabrblade wrote:Would Sentinel Zeta Prime count? There are some pieces of fiction in which he is referred to without the "Zeta" part of his name.

I would not call him good either at least not in the media where he is referred to as Sentinel as it sounds like the run down state of Cybertron at the time was caused by him.

Not evil but not exactly an Optimus/Rodimus kind of Prime.

Deadput wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Would Sentinel Zeta Prime count? There are some pieces of fiction in which he is referred to without the "Zeta" part of his name.

I would not call him good either at least not in the media where he is referred to as Sentinel as it sounds like the run down state of Cybertron at the time was caused by him.

Not evil but not exactly an Optimus/Rodimus kind of Prime.

It was mostly the Quintessons who were responsible for the caste system, and once SZP came to realize how the Quints were mistreating his people, he turned right around toward trying to get rid of them. He then ushered in the Golden Age, the high point of prosperity, innovation, and exploration in Aligned Cybertron history. It was only the unexpected Rust Plague that brought the end of the Golden Age, and the trauma felt by that ordeal that helped spur SZP into reinforcing the caste system for security purposes, even if that ended up creating the stagnating condition of the pre-war Age of Rust.

Sure, he's not an Optimus/Rodimus kind of Prime, yeah, but he's probably the only Sentinel Prime who was genuinely trying to do what's best for Cybertron in non-malicious, non-selfish, non-Trumpy ways. At least when Optimus rescued him from Kaon he was presented in a sympathetic light, remorseful over his shortcomings as a Prime.

Deadput wrote:So the website is working right now right?


If so who thinks is the worst candidate on this list?


I personally think Arcee is.

Thunderwing.

Sabrblade wrote:It was mostly the Quintessons who were responsible for the caste system, and once SZP came to realize how the Quints were mistreating his people, he turned right around toward trying to get rid of them. He then ushered in the Golden Age, the high point of prosperity, innovation, and exploration in Aligned Cybertron history. It was only the unexpected Rust Plague that brought the end of the Golden Age, and the trauma felt by that ordeal that helped spur SZP into reinforcing the caste system for security purposes, even if that ended up creating the stagnating condition of the pre-war Age of Rust.

Sure, he's not an Optimus/Rodimus kind of Prime, yeah, but he's probably the only Sentinel Prime who was genuinely trying to do what's best for Cybertron in non-malicious, non-selfish, non-Trumpy ways. At least when Optimus rescued him from Kaon he was presented in a sympathetic light, remorseful over his shortcomings as a Prime.

Ah I see thanks for correcting me I only based my comment on what I remember from Exodus and the Covenant of Primus which if I'm not wrong is the worse Zeta has been in the Aligned continuity although still with the Sentinel name.

I still would rather think of the Character as Zeta and Sentinel as a separate character ideally to me (based on headcanon) it would be Sentinel the first Autobot leader but meets his end (permanent or temporary) to Megatron like in Megatron origins and then followed by Zeta Prime until his demise by Megatron like in WFC/Exodus.

I mean they look different enough to be considered different characters since Zeta doesnt really seem to be inspired by the G1 Sentinel Prime in either personality or design unlike most characters in WFC so I believe Zeta was just made up for the game otherwise I'm sure he would of been named Sentinel in game only reason he is called Sentinel Zeta Prime is retcons to connect the Exodus character with the WFC character.

This is a random thought, but wouldn't it be cool to get a Leader class King Grimlock in Power of the Primes? It'd be a good substitute for those not willing to get the MP.

Deadput wrote:Ah I see thanks for correcting me I only based my comment on what I remember from Exodus and the Covenant of Primus which if I'm not wrong is the worse Zeta has been in the Aligned continuity although still with the Sentinel name.

If anything, his greatest fault was his having been a rigid bureaucrat. Not quite a corrupt one, but nor a benevolent one either. Just a firm ruler.

Deadput wrote:I still would rather think of the Character as Zeta and Sentinel as a separate character ideally to me (based on headcanon) it would be Sentinel the first Autobot leader but meets his end (permanent or temporary) to Megatron like in Megatron origins and then followed by Zeta Prime until his demise by Megatron like in WFC/Exodus.

I mean they look different enough to be considered different characters since Zeta doesnt really seem to be inspired by the G1 Sentinel Prime in either personality or design unlike most characters in WFC so I believe Zeta was just made up for the game otherwise I'm sure he would of been named Sentinel in game only reason he is called Sentinel Zeta Prime is retcons to connect the Exodus character with the WFC character.

Early concept art of the guy reveals him to have sported a more Sentinel Prime-ish look before the final design was set:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:This is a random thought, but wouldn't it be cool to get a Leader class King Grimlock in Power of the Primes? It'd be a good substitute for those not willing to get the MP.

As long as there are Voyager versions of the rest of the Dinobots to go along with it I'd be down for that.

Munkky wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:This is a random thought, but wouldn't it be cool to get a Leader class King Grimlock in Power of the Primes? It'd be a good substitute for those not willing to get the MP.

As long as there are Voyager versions of the rest of the Dinobots to go along with it I'd be down for that.

Seconded! I NEED myself a modern voyager Swoop!

I'm just not sure all four not-grim Dinobots as voyagers in a single line would be that viable. Maybe if they were split between lines, but...

Each wave has 2 voyagers max, sometimes just 1. If we use Thrilling 30 as an example (as TR isn't over yet and CW re-used molds far more than usual)...


Wave 3
Blitzwing
Autobot Springer

Wave 4
Sandstorm

Wave 5
Decepticon Doubledealer
Rhinox

Wave 6
Autobot Whirl

Wave 7
Roadbuster
Sky-Byte

Wave 8
Brainstorm



That's 9 Voyagers in the line, so you'd be asking the Dinobots to take up half of that in a line that's apparently supposed to be dominated by Primes. And beyond that, Doubledealer and Sandstorm are retools - so that's 7 Voyager molds in the line. And then we look at how today almost every Voyager has a mold re-use in TR!
So... cool as it'd be, it just doesn't seem likely to me. They'd need to find re-uses for most if not all of them (and god help you in your search for something that fits and isn't amazingly obscure), and again, it doesn't seem like they should get that much attention when, while we don't know exactly what the line's theme is, it almost certainly isn't Dinobot or Beast Mode-focused.

Kurona wrote:I'm just not sure all four not-grim Dinobots as voyagers in a single line would be that viable. Maybe if they were split between lines, but...

Each wave has 2 voyagers max, sometimes just 1. If we use Thrilling 30 as an example (as TR isn't over yet and CW re-used molds far more than usual)...


Wave 3
Blitzwing
Autobot Springer

Wave 4
Sandstorm

Wave 5
Decepticon Doubledealer
Rhinox

Wave 6
Autobot Whirl

Wave 7
Roadbuster
Sky-Byte

Wave 8
Brainstorm



That's 9 Voyagers in the line, so you'd be asking the Dinobots to take up half of that in a line that's apparently supposed to be dominated by Primes. And beyond that, Doubledealer and Sandstorm are retools - so that's 7 Voyager molds in the line. And then we look at how today almost every Voyager has a mold re-use in TR!
So... cool as it'd be, it just doesn't seem likely to me. They'd need to find re-uses for most if not all of them (and god help you in your search for something that fits and isn't amazingly obscure), and again, it doesn't seem like they should get that much attention when, while we don't know exactly what the line's theme is, it almost certainly isn't Dinobot or Beast Mode-focused.

Well technically they could make a box set like Devastator. That would work pretty well I think having "King Grimlock" as a leader, and the others as voyagers. Maybe even have it as a combiner with Predaking being a box set to battle them.

Having new Turbomasters and Predators would be awesome too. Just sayin.

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

Kurona wrote:I'm just not sure all four not-grim Dinobots as voyagers in a single line would be that viable. Maybe if they were split between lines, but...

Each wave has 2 voyagers max, sometimes just 1. If we use Thrilling 30 as an example (as TR isn't over yet and CW re-used molds far more than usual)...


Wave 3
Blitzwing
Autobot Springer

Wave 4
Sandstorm

Wave 5
Decepticon Doubledealer
Rhinox

Wave 6
Autobot Whirl

Wave 7
Roadbuster
Sky-Byte

Wave 8
Brainstorm



That's 9 Voyagers in the line, so you'd be asking the Dinobots to take up half of that in a line that's apparently supposed to be dominated by Primes. And beyond that, Doubledealer and Sandstorm are retools - so that's 7 Voyager molds in the line. And then we look at how today almost every Voyager has a mold re-use in TR!
So... cool as it'd be, it just doesn't seem likely to me. They'd need to find re-uses for most if not all of them (and god help you in your search for something that fits and isn't amazingly obscure), and again, it doesn't seem like they should get that much attention when, while we don't know exactly what the line's theme is, it almost certainly isn't Dinobot or Beast Mode-focused.

Well technically they could make a box set like Devastator. That would work pretty well I think having "King Grimlock" as a leader, and the others as voyagers. Maybe even have it as a combiner with Predaking being a box set to battle them.

You're proposing upwards of 10 unique molds to be sold in sets of 5 at the Titan class price point with little to no potential for reuse. Think about that for a minute.

King Kuuga wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

Kurona wrote:I'm just not sure all four not-grim Dinobots as voyagers in a single line would be that viable. Maybe if they were split between lines, but...

Each wave has 2 voyagers max, sometimes just 1. If we use Thrilling 30 as an example (as TR isn't over yet and CW re-used molds far more than usual)...


Wave 3
Blitzwing
Autobot Springer

Wave 4
Sandstorm

Wave 5
Decepticon Doubledealer
Rhinox

Wave 6
Autobot Whirl

Wave 7
Roadbuster
Sky-Byte

Wave 8
Brainstorm



That's 9 Voyagers in the line, so you'd be asking the Dinobots to take up half of that in a line that's apparently supposed to be dominated by Primes. And beyond that, Doubledealer and Sandstorm are retools - so that's 7 Voyager molds in the line. And then we look at how today almost every Voyager has a mold re-use in TR!
So... cool as it'd be, it just doesn't seem likely to me. They'd need to find re-uses for most if not all of them (and god help you in your search for something that fits and isn't amazingly obscure), and again, it doesn't seem like they should get that much attention when, while we don't know exactly what the line's theme is, it almost certainly isn't Dinobot or Beast Mode-focused.

Well technically they could make a box set like Devastator. That would work pretty well I think having "King Grimlock" as a leader, and the others as voyagers. Maybe even have it as a combiner with Predaking being a box set to battle them.

You're proposing upwards of 10 unique molds to be sold in sets of 5 at the Titan class price point with little to no potential for reuse. Think about that for a minute.

I'm... not entirely sure I get the point here. Every titan bar Metroplex > Fort Max - who even then was a major retool - so far has had no re-use; even when they could do something extremely obvious like G2 Devastator. 1 Leader-ish figure with 4 Voyager-ish figures at the Titan price point is pretty much what they did for Devastator; and since it's the Dinobots, it'd be much more popular and sell a lot better than the likes of Scorponok.

Kurona wrote:I'm... not entirely sure I get the point here. Every titan bar Metroplex > Fort Max - who even then was a major retool - so far has had no re-use; even when they could do something extremely obvious like G2 Devastator. 1 Leader-ish figure with 4 Voyager-ish figures at the Titan price point is pretty much what they did for Devastator; and since it's the Dinobots, it'd be much more popular and sell a lot better than the likes of Scorponok.

...AND it would give them a chance to get back at all those 3rd party Dinobot combiners.

All of the Titan Class figures have had SDCC exclusive versions as their secondary release to recoup mold costs. What SillySpringer is proposing would most likely not get that treatment. I'm not holding my breath.

King Kuuga wrote:All of the Titan Class figures have had SDCC exclusive versions as their secondary release to recoup mold costs. What SillySpringer is proposing would most likely not get that treatment. I'm not holding my breath.

But... why wouldn't it get an SDCC exclusive version??

I'm not saying this is likely or anything but I'm not seeing your reasoning here.

My line of though comes down, partially, to the fact that an original Dinobot combiner might make too many compromises to the iconic Dinobots for the sake of a combiner for people to accept them as their definitive Dinobots to justify a Titan slot, and also the notion of two Titans in the same year is a bit hard to accept. But then again, these hypothetical sets don't sound too far off from the Autobot Heroes Platinum set we got this year or the Titans Return rumored box sets so maybe I'm wrong here. I don't know. The more I think about it the fewer reasons I can think of why it couldn't happen.

King Kuuga wrote:My line of though comes down, partially, to the fact that an original Dinobot combiner might make too many compromises to the iconic Dinobots for the sake of a combiner for people to accept them as their definitive Dinobots to justify a Titan slot, and also the notion of two Titans in the same year is a bit hard to accept. But then again, these hypothetical sets don't sound too far off from the Autobot Heroes Platinum set we got this year or the Titans Return rumored box sets so maybe I'm wrong here. I don't know. The more I think about it the fewer reasons I can think of why it couldn't happen.

The combiner thing is just kinda something I mentioned as a bonus thing. Just a Dinobot set without the "Grimstone" combined mode would be cool with me also. I like me some giant beast combiners tho.

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

King Kuuga wrote:My line of though comes down, partially, to the fact that an original Dinobot combiner might make too many compromises to the iconic Dinobots for the sake of a combiner for people to accept them as their definitive Dinobots to justify a Titan slot, and also the notion of two Titans in the same year is a bit hard to accept. But then again, these hypothetical sets don't sound too far off from the Autobot Heroes Platinum set we got this year or the Titans Return rumored box sets so maybe I'm wrong here. I don't know. The more I think about it the fewer reasons I can think of why it couldn't happen.

The combiner thing is just kinda something I mentioned as a bonus thing. Just a Dinobot set without the "Grimstone" combined mode would be cool with me also. I like me some giant beast combiners tho.

I'd be fine with a good Dinobot combiner, as long as it isn't...

...isn't...uh...

...weird. I completely forgot what I was gonna say, all of a sudden...

Sigma Magnus wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

King Kuuga wrote:My line of though comes down, partially, to the fact that an original Dinobot combiner might make too many compromises to the iconic Dinobots for the sake of a combiner for people to accept them as their definitive Dinobots to justify a Titan slot, and also the notion of two Titans in the same year is a bit hard to accept. But then again, these hypothetical sets don't sound too far off from the Autobot Heroes Platinum set we got this year or the Titans Return rumored box sets so maybe I'm wrong here. I don't know. The more I think about it the fewer reasons I can think of why it couldn't happen.

The combiner thing is just kinda something I mentioned as a bonus thing. Just a Dinobot set without the "Grimstone" combined mode would be cool with me also. I like me some giant beast combiners tho.

I'd be fine with a good Dinobot combiner team, as long as it isn't...

...isn't...uh...

...weird. I completely forgot what I was gonna say, all of a sudden...

Happens to be all the time, believe it or not.

Grimstone would be a cool addition to the giant gestalt wars. Just please don't let it replace Predaking.

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

King Kuuga wrote:My line of though comes down, partially, to the fact that an original Dinobot combiner might make too many compromises to the iconic Dinobots for the sake of a combiner for people to accept them as their definitive Dinobots to justify a Titan slot, and also the notion of two Titans in the same year is a bit hard to accept. But then again, these hypothetical sets don't sound too far off from the Autobot Heroes Platinum set we got this year or the Titans Return rumored box sets so maybe I'm wrong here. I don't know. The more I think about it the fewer reasons I can think of why it couldn't happen.

The combiner thing is just kinda something I mentioned as a bonus thing. Just a Dinobot set without the "Grimstone" combined mode would be cool with me also. I like me some giant beast combiners tho.

I'd be fine with a good Dinobot combiner team, as long as it isn't...

...isn't...uh...

...weird. I completely forgot what I was gonna say, all of a sudden...

Happens to be all the time, believe it or not.

I do hope you got the joke he was making.

Sabrblade wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

King Kuuga wrote:My line of though comes down, partially, to the fact that an original Dinobot combiner might make too many compromises to the iconic Dinobots for the sake of a combiner for people to accept them as their definitive Dinobots to justify a Titan slot, and also the notion of two Titans in the same year is a bit hard to accept. But then again, these hypothetical sets don't sound too far off from the Autobot Heroes Platinum set we got this year or the Titans Return rumored box sets so maybe I'm wrong here. I don't know. The more I think about it the fewer reasons I can think of why it couldn't happen.

The combiner thing is just kinda something I mentioned as a bonus thing. Just a Dinobot set without the "Grimstone" combined mode would be cool with me also. I like me some giant beast combiners tho.

I'd be fine with a good Dinobot combiner team, as long as it isn't...

...isn't...uh...

...weird. I completely forgot what I was gonna say, all of a sudden...

Happens to be all the time, believe it or not.

I do hope you got the joke he was making.

I think? Maybe... uh, no wait... that's not it... huh. What did he say again?

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:I'd be fine with a good Dinobot combiner team, as long as it isn't...

...isn't...uh...

...weird. I completely forgot what I was gonna say, all of a sudden...

Happens to be all the time, believe it or not.

I do hope you got the joke he was making.

I think? Maybe... uh, no wait... that's not it... huh. What did he say again?

I've eliminated the rest of the convo to leave only his joke and yours and my responses.

Sabrblade wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:I'd be fine with a good Dinobot combiner team, as long as it isn't...

...isn't...uh...

...weird. I completely forgot what I was gonna say, all of a sudden...

Happens to be all the time, believe it or not.

I do hope you got the joke he was making.

I think? Maybe... uh, no wait... that's not it... huh. What did he say again?

I've eliminated the rest of the convo to leave only his joke and yours and my responses.

I will place this link facedown and then run like hell.

Pretend you all saw nothing.

I'm sorry.

King Kuuga wrote:I will place this link facedown and then run like hell.

Pretend you all saw nothing.

I'm sorry.

Me Swoop thinks us combiner not good idea.