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Sabrblade wrote:Would Sentinel Zeta Prime count? There are some pieces of fiction in which he is referred to without the "Zeta" part of his name.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
It was mostly the Quintessons who were responsible for the caste system, and once SZP came to realize how the Quints were mistreating his people, he turned right around toward trying to get rid of them. He then ushered in the Golden Age, the high point of prosperity, innovation, and exploration in Aligned Cybertron history. It was only the unexpected Rust Plague that brought the end of the Golden Age, and the trauma felt by that ordeal that helped spur SZP into reinforcing the caste system for security purposes, even if that ended up creating the stagnating condition of the pre-war Age of Rust.Deadput wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Would Sentinel Zeta Prime count? There are some pieces of fiction in which he is referred to without the "Zeta" part of his name.
I would not call him good either at least not in the media where he is referred to as Sentinel as it sounds like the run down state of Cybertron at the time was caused by him.
Not evil but not exactly an Optimus/Rodimus kind of Prime.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Deadput wrote:So the website is working right now right?
If so who thinks is the worst candidate on this list?
I personally think Arcee is.
Sabrblade wrote:It was mostly the Quintessons who were responsible for the caste system, and once SZP came to realize how the Quints were mistreating his people, he turned right around toward trying to get rid of them. He then ushered in the Golden Age, the high point of prosperity, innovation, and exploration in Aligned Cybertron history. It was only the unexpected Rust Plague that brought the end of the Golden Age, and the trauma felt by that ordeal that helped spur SZP into reinforcing the caste system for security purposes, even if that ended up creating the stagnating condition of the pre-war Age of Rust.
Sure, he's not an Optimus/Rodimus kind of Prime, yeah, but he's probably the only Sentinel Prime who was genuinely trying to do what's best for Cybertron in non-malicious, non-selfish, non-Trumpy ways. At least when Optimus rescued him from Kaon he was presented in a sympathetic light, remorseful over his shortcomings as a Prime.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
If anything, his greatest fault was his having been a rigid bureaucrat. Not quite a corrupt one, but nor a benevolent one either. Just a firm ruler.Deadput wrote:Ah I see thanks for correcting me I only based my comment on what I remember from Exodus and the Covenant of Primus which if I'm not wrong is the worse Zeta has been in the Aligned continuity although still with the Sentinel name.
Early concept art of the guy reveals him to have sported a more Sentinel Prime-ish look before the final design was set:Deadput wrote:I still would rather think of the Character as Zeta and Sentinel as a separate character ideally to me (based on headcanon) it would be Sentinel the first Autobot leader but meets his end (permanent or temporary) to Megatron like in Megatron origins and then followed by Zeta Prime until his demise by Megatron like in WFC/Exodus.
I mean they look different enough to be considered different characters since Zeta doesnt really seem to be inspired by the G1 Sentinel Prime in either personality or design unlike most characters in WFC so I believe Zeta was just made up for the game otherwise I'm sure he would of been named Sentinel in game only reason he is called Sentinel Zeta Prime is retcons to connect the Exodus character with the WFC character.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
CMI-SillySpringer wrote:This is a random thought, but wouldn't it be cool to get a Leader class King Grimlock in Power of the Primes? It'd be a good substitute for those not willing to get the MP.
Munkky wrote:CMI-SillySpringer wrote:This is a random thought, but wouldn't it be cool to get a Leader class King Grimlock in Power of the Primes? It'd be a good substitute for those not willing to get the MP.
As long as there are Voyager versions of the rest of the Dinobots to go along with it I'd be down for that.
Kurona wrote:I'm just not sure all four not-grim Dinobots as voyagers in a single line would be that viable. Maybe if they were split between lines, but...
Each wave has 2 voyagers max, sometimes just 1. If we use Thrilling 30 as an example (as TR isn't over yet and CW re-used molds far more than usual)...
Wave 3
Blitzwing
Autobot Springer
Wave 4
Sandstorm
Wave 5
Decepticon Doubledealer
Rhinox
Wave 6
Autobot Whirl
Wave 7
Roadbuster
Sky-Byte
Wave 8
Brainstorm
That's 9 Voyagers in the line, so you'd be asking the Dinobots to take up half of that in a line that's apparently supposed to be dominated by Primes. And beyond that, Doubledealer and Sandstorm are retools - so that's 7 Voyager molds in the line. And then we look at how today almost every Voyager has a mold re-use in TR!
So... cool as it'd be, it just doesn't seem likely to me. They'd need to find re-uses for most if not all of them (and god help you in your search for something that fits and isn't amazingly obscure), and again, it doesn't seem like they should get that much attention when, while we don't know exactly what the line's theme is, it almost certainly isn't Dinobot or Beast Mode-focused.
CMI-SillySpringer wrote:Kurona wrote:I'm just not sure all four not-grim Dinobots as voyagers in a single line would be that viable. Maybe if they were split between lines, but...
Each wave has 2 voyagers max, sometimes just 1. If we use Thrilling 30 as an example (as TR isn't over yet and CW re-used molds far more than usual)...
Wave 3
Blitzwing
Autobot Springer
Wave 4
Sandstorm
Wave 5
Decepticon Doubledealer
Rhinox
Wave 6
Autobot Whirl
Wave 7
Roadbuster
Sky-Byte
Wave 8
Brainstorm
That's 9 Voyagers in the line, so you'd be asking the Dinobots to take up half of that in a line that's apparently supposed to be dominated by Primes. And beyond that, Doubledealer and Sandstorm are retools - so that's 7 Voyager molds in the line. And then we look at how today almost every Voyager has a mold re-use in TR!
So... cool as it'd be, it just doesn't seem likely to me. They'd need to find re-uses for most if not all of them (and god help you in your search for something that fits and isn't amazingly obscure), and again, it doesn't seem like they should get that much attention when, while we don't know exactly what the line's theme is, it almost certainly isn't Dinobot or Beast Mode-focused.
Well technically they could make a box set like Devastator. That would work pretty well I think having "King Grimlock" as a leader, and the others as voyagers. Maybe even have it as a combiner with Predaking being a box set to battle them.
King Kuuga wrote:CMI-SillySpringer wrote:Kurona wrote:I'm just not sure all four not-grim Dinobots as voyagers in a single line would be that viable. Maybe if they were split between lines, but...
Each wave has 2 voyagers max, sometimes just 1. If we use Thrilling 30 as an example (as TR isn't over yet and CW re-used molds far more than usual)...
Wave 3
Blitzwing
Autobot Springer
Wave 4
Sandstorm
Wave 5
Decepticon Doubledealer
Rhinox
Wave 6
Autobot Whirl
Wave 7
Roadbuster
Sky-Byte
Wave 8
Brainstorm
That's 9 Voyagers in the line, so you'd be asking the Dinobots to take up half of that in a line that's apparently supposed to be dominated by Primes. And beyond that, Doubledealer and Sandstorm are retools - so that's 7 Voyager molds in the line. And then we look at how today almost every Voyager has a mold re-use in TR!
So... cool as it'd be, it just doesn't seem likely to me. They'd need to find re-uses for most if not all of them (and god help you in your search for something that fits and isn't amazingly obscure), and again, it doesn't seem like they should get that much attention when, while we don't know exactly what the line's theme is, it almost certainly isn't Dinobot or Beast Mode-focused.
Well technically they could make a box set like Devastator. That would work pretty well I think having "King Grimlock" as a leader, and the others as voyagers. Maybe even have it as a combiner with Predaking being a box set to battle them.
You're proposing upwards of 10 unique molds to be sold in sets of 5 at the Titan class price point with little to no potential for reuse. Think about that for a minute.
Kurona wrote:I'm... not entirely sure I get the point here. Every titan bar Metroplex > Fort Max - who even then was a major retool - so far has had no re-use; even when they could do something extremely obvious like G2 Devastator. 1 Leader-ish figure with 4 Voyager-ish figures at the Titan price point is pretty much what they did for Devastator; and since it's the Dinobots, it'd be much more popular and sell a lot better than the likes of Scorponok.
King Kuuga wrote:All of the Titan Class figures have had SDCC exclusive versions as their secondary release to recoup mold costs. What SillySpringer is proposing would most likely not get that treatment. I'm not holding my breath.
King Kuuga wrote:My line of though comes down, partially, to the fact that an original Dinobot combiner might make too many compromises to the iconic Dinobots for the sake of a combiner for people to accept them as their definitive Dinobots to justify a Titan slot, and also the notion of two Titans in the same year is a bit hard to accept. But then again, these hypothetical sets don't sound too far off from the Autobot Heroes Platinum set we got this year or the Titans Return rumored box sets so maybe I'm wrong here. I don't know. The more I think about it the fewer reasons I can think of why it couldn't happen.
CMI-SillySpringer wrote:King Kuuga wrote:My line of though comes down, partially, to the fact that an original Dinobot combiner might make too many compromises to the iconic Dinobots for the sake of a combiner for people to accept them as their definitive Dinobots to justify a Titan slot, and also the notion of two Titans in the same year is a bit hard to accept. But then again, these hypothetical sets don't sound too far off from the Autobot Heroes Platinum set we got this year or the Titans Return rumored box sets so maybe I'm wrong here. I don't know. The more I think about it the fewer reasons I can think of why it couldn't happen.
The combiner thing is just kinda something I mentioned as a bonus thing. Just a Dinobot set without the "Grimstone" combined mode would be cool with me also. I like me some giant beast combiners tho.
Sigma Magnus wrote:CMI-SillySpringer wrote:King Kuuga wrote:My line of though comes down, partially, to the fact that an original Dinobot combiner might make too many compromises to the iconic Dinobots for the sake of a combiner for people to accept them as their definitive Dinobots to justify a Titan slot, and also the notion of two Titans in the same year is a bit hard to accept. But then again, these hypothetical sets don't sound too far off from the Autobot Heroes Platinum set we got this year or the Titans Return rumored box sets so maybe I'm wrong here. I don't know. The more I think about it the fewer reasons I can think of why it couldn't happen.
The combiner thing is just kinda something I mentioned as a bonus thing. Just a Dinobot set without the "Grimstone" combined mode would be cool with me also. I like me some giant beast combiners tho.
I'd be fine with a good Dinobot combiner team, as long as it isn't...
...isn't...uh...
...weird. I completely forgot what I was gonna say, all of a sudden...
I do hope you got the joke he was making.CMI-SillySpringer wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:CMI-SillySpringer wrote:King Kuuga wrote:My line of though comes down, partially, to the fact that an original Dinobot combiner might make too many compromises to the iconic Dinobots for the sake of a combiner for people to accept them as their definitive Dinobots to justify a Titan slot, and also the notion of two Titans in the same year is a bit hard to accept. But then again, these hypothetical sets don't sound too far off from the Autobot Heroes Platinum set we got this year or the Titans Return rumored box sets so maybe I'm wrong here. I don't know. The more I think about it the fewer reasons I can think of why it couldn't happen.
The combiner thing is just kinda something I mentioned as a bonus thing. Just a Dinobot set without the "Grimstone" combined mode would be cool with me also. I like me some giant beast combiners tho.
I'd be fine with a good Dinobot combiner team, as long as it isn't...
...isn't...uh...
...weird. I completely forgot what I was gonna say, all of a sudden...
Happens to be all the time, believe it or not.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I do hope you got the joke he was making.CMI-SillySpringer wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:CMI-SillySpringer wrote:King Kuuga wrote:My line of though comes down, partially, to the fact that an original Dinobot combiner might make too many compromises to the iconic Dinobots for the sake of a combiner for people to accept them as their definitive Dinobots to justify a Titan slot, and also the notion of two Titans in the same year is a bit hard to accept. But then again, these hypothetical sets don't sound too far off from the Autobot Heroes Platinum set we got this year or the Titans Return rumored box sets so maybe I'm wrong here. I don't know. The more I think about it the fewer reasons I can think of why it couldn't happen.
The combiner thing is just kinda something I mentioned as a bonus thing. Just a Dinobot set without the "Grimstone" combined mode would be cool with me also. I like me some giant beast combiners tho.
I'd be fine with a good Dinobot combiner team, as long as it isn't...
...isn't...uh...
...weird. I completely forgot what I was gonna say, all of a sudden...
Happens to be all the time, believe it or not.
I've eliminated the rest of the convo to leave only his joke and yours and my responses.CMI-SillySpringer wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I do hope you got the joke he was making.CMI-SillySpringer wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:I'd be fine with a good Dinobot combiner team, as long as it isn't...
...isn't...uh...
...weird. I completely forgot what I was gonna say, all of a sudden...
Happens to be all the time, believe it or not.
I think? Maybe... uh, no wait... that's not it... huh. What did he say again?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I've eliminated the rest of the convo to leave only his joke and yours and my responses.CMI-SillySpringer wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I do hope you got the joke he was making.CMI-SillySpringer wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:I'd be fine with a good Dinobot combiner team, as long as it isn't...
...isn't...uh...
...weird. I completely forgot what I was gonna say, all of a sudden...
Happens to be all the time, believe it or not.
I think? Maybe... uh, no wait... that's not it... huh. What did he say again?
King Kuuga wrote:I will place this link facedown and then run like hell.
Pretend you all saw nothing.
I'm sorry.
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