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News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:06 am

That Bot wrote:
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:You know, after thinking aboot it, why are some people upset about a more humorous and kid-friendly? It worked wonders for Beast Wars, making it the best Transformers series to date. And the humor seems to work well in the MTMTE comics. So why do some people have a negative reaction to it (aside from what happened in Animated I mean)?

Because so many people in this fandom are attached to these false memories of G1 as being the greatest thing in the universe, and as they've gotten older and mainstream TF media has continued to target a young audience, they see this as a threat to their interest in the brand.

No, it's because Prime was fantastic and had the perfect mix of humor and grittiness and I would love its sequel to feel the same.

News Credits: 8 · by **Flashwave** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:00 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
El Duque wrote:Besides if he were a ghost why would he have a new design?
Because Hasbro (unfortunately) doesn't seem to give two cents about aesthetics in the Aligned continuity. For instance, Optimus appears in WFC with one body, and then in FOC in a different body with no in-story explanation. And, Optimus has one body in Prime that turns into a long-nosed truck, while in Rescue Bots his body looks a bit different and turns into a flat-nosed truck, despite these two bodies supposing to be the same body. And then the Covenant of Primus book drew him in his Binder of Revelation body in all of its illustrations that took place, even the ones that took place on Cybertron in the past and the ones set on Earth in the present, despite other characters getting their own respective, distinct Cybertron-based and Earth-based bodies in the same illustrations.

In other words, Optimus could be drawn here with bunny ears and neon green polka dots and could still be a ghost if the makers wanted to go that route.

Toy Relativeness. Although why the books decided to be different, I have no answer. All it is. Rescue Bots, for all its adult humor and sheer awesomeness, decided that they'd rather use the design for RB Optimus instead of PRID or BH Optimus. The latter also being a flat-nose truck. Bumblebee did the same thing. At least he's still a car, and a approximation to one, but he's more chevy and the Prime "Urbana 5000" is very much a Chrysler 300 in its nose.

by **TheGlynreaper** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:46 pm

It it me then or has bumblebee been cheated out of becoming a prime then since optimus is apparently dead in the new show and it looks like he hasnt passed on the matrix of leadership to him or anybody else , great how hot rod became rodimus and sucked at being leader while bumblebee wont seem to get the chance

News Credits: 15 · by **PrymeStriker** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:43 pm

TheGlynreaper wrote:It it me then or has bumblebee been cheated out of becoming a prime

Everyone was cheated out of becoming a Prime.

Also, I support the theory that each member of Team Prime leads their own group of Autobots and we are focusing on Bumblebee's squad.

and it looks like he hasnt passed on the matrix of leadership to him or anybody else

You're right. He can't pass the Matrix of Leadership on to anyone. He merged the AllSpark with the Matrix and jumped into the Well of AllSparks to repopulate Cybertron.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:47 pm

Yeah, so the Matrix of Leadership went bye bye.

No more Matrix. No more Primes.

Website · by **Fires_Of_Inferno** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:16 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, so the Matrix of Leadership went bye bye.

No more Matrix. No more Primes.

Because for some reason, Optimus has become "the last prime". I'm not entirely sure when that started, I think it was with ROTF, but I could be wrong.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:35 pm

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, so the Matrix of Leadership went bye bye.

No more Matrix. No more Primes.

Because for some reason, Optimus has become "the last prime". I'm not entirely sure when that started, I think it was with ROTF, but I could be wrong.

Yup, ROTF is where that phrase came from.

Though, one could make the argument that it actually originated with whatever continuity had Optimus be the latest in a long line of Primes and didn't have another Prime succeed him, as the phrase used in ROTF could also be interpreted as merely meaning "The most recent Prime". :-B

News Credits: 1 · by **MightyMagnus78** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:10 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, so the Matrix of Leadership went bye bye.

No more Matrix. No more Primes.

Because for some reason, Optimus has become "the last prime". I'm not entirely sure when that started, I think it was with ROTF, but I could be wrong.
Yup, ROTF is where that phrase came from.

Though, one could make the argument that it actually originated with whatever continuity had Optimus be the latest in a long line of Primes and didn't have another Prime succeed him, as the phrase used in ROTF could also be interpreted as merely meaning "The most recent Prime".

Apart from Sentinel and Zeta has there ever been any other 'Prime' in any continuity that has preceded Optimus?

Was Alpha Trion not considered a Prime, and Ultra Magnus for that matter?

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:24 pm

MightyMagnus78 wrote:Apart from Sentinel and Zeta has there ever been any other 'Prime' in any continuity that has preceded Optimus?

Not that we know of.

Though, we know nothing of who, if anyone, preceded the Optimus Primes of RiD (not Car Robots, but RiD) and any version of the Unicron Trilogy.

And since anyone could become a Prime in Animated with the proper military promotions, there were lots of Primes that came before Optimus in that continuity, but not in any particular linear order. Known Animated Primes include:

Ultra Prime (former, promoted to "Ultra Magnus")
Fire Prime
Big Bang Prime
Override Prime
Rodimus Prime
Sentinel Prime (former, promoted to "Sentinel Magnus")
Longarm Prime
Optimus Prime
Nemesis Prime
Shattered Glass Optimus Prime (in the SG Animated universe)

MightyMagnus78 wrote:Was Alpha Trion not considered a Prime, and Ultra Magnus for that matter?

Nope. Neither were chosen by the Matrix.

And only Aligned Alpha Trion has ever been officially considered a Prime.

Website · by **Fires_Of_Inferno** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:27 pm

Solus Prime.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:28 pm

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Solus Prime.

She wasn't Optimus's direct predecessor, which is what I think he was asking about.

News Credits: 1 · by **MightyMagnus78** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:33 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
MightyMagnus78 wrote:Apart from Sentinel and Zeta has there ever been any other 'Prime' in any continuity that has preceded Optimus?
Not that we know of.

Though, we know nothing of who, if anyone, preceded the Optimus Primes of RiD (not Car Robots, but RiD) and any version of the Unicron Trilogy.

MightyMagnus78 wrote:Was Alpha Trion not considered a Prime, and Ultra Magnus for that matter?
Nope. Neither were chosen by the Matrix.

And only Aligned Alpha Trion has ever been officially considered a Prime.

OK, so to qualify as a 'Prime' you would have to be chosen by the Matrix and as such be worthy of it? It's not quite as simple then as just passing it on to the next in line as Optimus did with Magnus?

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:38 pm

MightyMagnus78 wrote:OK, so to qualify as a 'Prime' you would have to be chosen by the Matrix and as such be worthy of it? It's not quite as simple then as just passing it on to the next in line as Optimus did with Magnus?

Well, it depends from continuity from continuity, but as far as the G1 cartoon/movie went, only those chosen by the Matrix were Primes.

Also, I edited my previous post with more info.

News Credits: 15 · by **PrymeStriker** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:41 pm

MightyMagnus78 wrote:OK, so to qualify as a 'Prime' you would have to be chosen by the Matrix and as such be worthy of it? It's not quite as simple then as just passing it on to the next in line as Optimus did with Magnus?

Yep. At least in the Aligned continuity. The beginning of this scene virtually quotes that, actually:

News Credits: 1 · by **MightyMagnus78** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:52 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
MightyMagnus78 wrote:OK, so to qualify as a 'Prime' you would have to be chosen by the Matrix and as such be worthy of it? It's not quite as simple then as just passing it on to the next in line as Optimus did with Magnus?
Well, it depends from continuity from continuity, but as far as the G1 cartoon/movie went, only those chosen by the Matrix were Primes.

Also, I edited my previous post with more info.

Thanks for the info Sabrblade, really great stuff. Never really got into Animated and missed the Unicron trilogy altogether for my shame.

BTW what's the deal with the 13 'original' Primes then? Did they have fortnightly rota with a day off in the middle and pass the Matrix around or something?

Website · by **Fires_Of_Inferno** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:57 pm

MightyMagnus78 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
MightyMagnus78 wrote:OK, so to qualify as a 'Prime' you would have to be chosen by the Matrix and as such be worthy of it? It's not quite as simple then as just passing it on to the next in line as Optimus did with Magnus?
Well, it depends from continuity from continuity, but as far as the G1 cartoon/movie went, only those chosen by the Matrix were Primes.

Also, I edited my previous post with more info.

Thanks for the info Sabrblade, really great stuff. Never really got into Animated and missed the Unicron trilogy altogether for my shame.

BTW what's the deal with the 13 'original' Primes then? Did they have fortnightly rota with a day off in the middle and pass the Matrix around or something?

Personally, I assumed that they put a little bit of themselves into the Matrix. Except for Nemesis Prime of course. Or Liege Maximo.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:00 pm

MightyMagnus78 wrote:BTW what's the deal with the 13 'original' Primes then? Did they have fortnightly rota with a day off in the middle and pass the Matrix around or something?

That's a whole different can of worms that has no relation to the G1 cartoon.

But as far as we know of the Aligned Thirteen, some sources claim that Prima (the leader of the Thirteen) possessed the Matrix, as it was said to be the hilt of his sword, the Star Saber. Another source, however, claims that none of them possessed the Matrix since it was a device that they created and hid away, later to be found and possessed by the present-day Optimus Prime as a symbol of his being a true Prime.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Personally, I assumed that they put a little bit of themselves into the Matrix. Except for Nemesis Prime of course. Or Liege Maximo.

Nemesis?

Wait, what continuity are we all talking of, here?

News Credits: 1 · by **MightyMagnus78** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:02 pm

PrymeStriker wrote:
MightyMagnus78 wrote:OK, so to qualify as a 'Prime' you would have to be chosen by the Matrix and as such be worthy of it? It's not quite as simple then as just passing it on to the next in line as Optimus did with Magnus?

Yep. At least in the Aligned continuity. The beginning of this scene virtually quotes that, actually:

Yeah, I really liked the idea of Smokescreen being worthy and he would have made a brilliant 'Prime' IMO. Shame he got overlooked in Pred's Rising.

EDIT: From that scene Smokescreen clearly was the 'chosen one'.

Website · by **Fires_Of_Inferno** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:02 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
MightyMagnus78 wrote:BTW what's the deal with the 13 'original' Primes then? Did they have fortnightly rota with a day off in the middle and pass the Matrix around or something?
That's a whole different can of worms that has no relation to the G1 cartoon.

But as far as we know of the Aligned Thirteen, some sources claim that Prima (the leader of the Thirteen) possessed the Matrix, as it was said to be the hilt of his sword, the Star Saber. Another source, however, claims that none of them possessed the Matrix since it was a device that they created and hid away, later to be found and possessed by the present-day Optimus Prime as a symbol of his being a true Prime.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Personally, I assumed that they put a little bit of themselves into the Matrix. Except for Nemesis Prime of course. Or Liege Maximo.
Nemesis?

Wait, what continuity are we all talking of, here?

Beats me. I know Nemesis Prime (The Fallen) was one of the 13 in the movie universe. I figured they did something like that in a bunch of other universes too.

News Credits: 25 · by **VirusCarnage** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:04 pm

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Beats me. I know Nemesis Prime (The Fallen) was one of the 13 in the movie universe. I figured they did something like that in a bunch of other universes too.

I think that's Megatronus not Nemesis, Nemesis was the MECH copy of Optimus in TFP.

News Credits: 1 · by **MightyMagnus78** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:08 pm

Thanks Sabrblade, I do love your encyclopaedic knowledge.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:17 pm

No Nemesis Prime was ever a 13er.

Website · by **Fires_Of_Inferno** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:21 pm

Sabrblade wrote:

No Nemesis Prime was ever a 13er.

Oh. My mistake.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:28 pm

These are the known members of the Thirteen:

Multiversal continuities:

Prima
The Fallen
Vector Prime
Logos Prime
Nexus Prime
Eight others yet to be confirmed

Aligned Continuity:

Prima
Vector Prime
Alpha Trion
Solus Prime
Micronus Prime
Alchemist Prime
Nexus Prime
Onyx Prime
Amalgamous Prime
Quintus Prime
Liege Maximo
Megatronus (A.K.A. The Fallen)
Optimus Prime

News Credits: 1 · by **MightyMagnus78** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:46 pm

Sabrblade, In TFP when Optimus returns the Matrix to the well of allsparks (which is Primus?) the sparks of the dead were released from the Matrix. That surely then would mean that if the occasion arises in the future then Primus would essentially be able to bestow the Matrix on another worthy candidate as he did with Orion?

Or have I got that wrong. :-?