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Think Starscream should have received bending knees instead of Grimlock or Megatron. As Hasbro will get the most profits out of starscream with all his seekers repaints.

only one i am on the fence about is bb

Burn wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Tsk tsk tsk. Sure, the lack of some articulations is a bummer for a lots of us. But you seem to miss the point of this line. SIMPLIFICATION. Too much articulations mean automatically a more complicated transformation. Most kids and adults that are just entering into the world of Transformers would have no clue where to start. So it's a great way to introduce the classic designs to beginners.

Never forget that before doing algebra one must first learn that 1+1=2.

They could easily add ball joints and thus some articulation without making it complicated. The only "complications" ball joints add is younger kids may have a bit of a harder time lining things up. When you're five years old, most times you just want to be able to transform them quickly and easily.

Exactly. Sadly, just the basic step of lining things up is enough to make many people give up, thus giving up on the TF line altogether. This line will never cancel the most advanced lines like Generations and such. So, having very simplified CLASSIC designs to bring in new fans is a great thing.

I have an example close to home. One of my co-worker bought a TF for is then 4yo son at the DOTM time. He bought DOTM voyager Optimus Prime. Even with the instructions, he never could figure how to transform the damn thing and "just wanted to smash the thing on a wall". Remember that DOTM Voyager OP is piss-easy compared to Voyager HFTD Battle Blades OP. As expected, the toy was soon forgotten in the dephts of the toybin. Did he ever bought a TF for his son again? No. So, that's one less fan for the future. If at the time, there were entry levels TF that looked awesome but were simplified enough like the one-steps and this line, they would have been able to enjoy Transformers and would have bought more. After a few simplified TFs, they would have moved on to more complicated and sophisticated TFs.

I noticed something missing from TF packagings of the latest lines starting with AoE. WHERE THE HELL IS THE DIFFICULTY RATING? They should bring it back like so:
1-Basic
2-Easy
3-Intermediate
4-Hard
5-Expert
This would help parents and newbies a lot.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Y'know, I don't mind these simplified transformations and upsizing or downsizing when they're done right and some of these are done right. What bothers me, immensely I might add, is that their articulation is severely limited on some things.

All of them could use pivots and ball joints everywhere. Wrist swivels, heads, knees, hips, ANKLES, I don't think it's too much to ask for those things and I can't imagine they add any difficulty to these molds. I just can't.

I hate it when they pull crap like this. Starscream actually looks like something I'd buy, I really do like him quite a bit, but the lack of something as simple as ankle pivots drives me insane.

Tsk tsk tsk. Sure, the lack of some articulations is a bummer for a lots of us. But you seem to miss the point of this line. SIMPLIFICATION. Too much articulations mean automatically a more complicated transformation. Most kids and adults that are just entering into the world of Transformers would have no clue where to start. So it's a great way to introduce the classic designs to beginners.

Never forget that before doing algebra one must first learn that 1+1=2.

Actually, the first Transformers figure I got was a really complicated figure. I think it was Animated Bee, his transformation to vehicle mode was impossible! Then again, I was 8 so......

Ball joints aren't always wonderful as has been mentioned. It makes transformation needlessly difficult more often than not. Here's my thing. If a car sprang to life in front of you would you stop and count POA, or run away screaming like a little girl?

-Kanrabat- wrote:
I noticed something missing from TF packagings of the latest lines starting with AoE. WHERE THE HELL IS THE DIFFICULTY RATING? They should bring it back like so:
1-Basic
2-Easy
3-Intermediate
4-Hard
5-Expert
This would help parents and newbies a lot.

Thats because they changed that for the amount of steps which is more technical and gives a better idea of what's involved.

My first TFs were G2 Dreadwing, BW terrasor, BW Cheetor and BW Cybershark. All very easy for me as a kid but with great articulation.

Optimum Supreme wrote:No knees? What is this, the 80's?

Given who's in the lineup, I'd have to say yes.

Seriously, I've gotta say it again: If this meant to be a simplified line that's easier for kids, why is it all G1? Does little Timmy generally watch cartoons over three times his age?

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Optimum Supreme wrote:No knees? What is this, the 80's?

Given who's in the lineup, I'd have to say yes.

Seriously, I've gotta say it again: If this meant to be a simplified line that's easier for kids, why is it all G1? Does little Timmy generally watch cartoons over three times his age?

Firstly, I LOVE that Zing on top.

And secondly, while the Starscream and Megatron in these sets are from a time kids may not be aware of (Even I have no clue what Megatron that is supposed to be), Grimlock, Bumblebee and Optimus are kinda huge right now. And they are using alt modes that are in line with modern interpretations of these characters in toys, TV and film, especially the 11 inch optimus, 7 inch bumblebee and Grimlock's color scheme. I really wouldnt call that bumblebee G1.

bumblebeej8 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Y'know, I don't mind these simplified transformations and upsizing or downsizing when they're done right and some of these are done right. What bothers me, immensely I might add, is that their articulation is severely limited on some things.

All of them could use pivots and ball joints everywhere. Wrist swivels, heads, knees, hips, ANKLES, I don't think it's too much to ask for those things and I can't imagine they add any difficulty to these molds. I just can't.

I hate it when they pull crap like this. Starscream actually looks like something I'd buy, I really do like him quite a bit, but the lack of something as simple as ankle pivots drives me insane.

Tsk tsk tsk. Sure, the lack of some articulations is a bummer for a lots of us. But you seem to miss the point of this line. SIMPLIFICATION. Too much articulations mean automatically a more complicated transformation. Most kids and adults that are just entering into the world of Transformers would have no clue where to start. So it's a great way to introduce the classic designs to beginners.

Never forget that before doing algebra one must first learn that 1+1=2.

Actually, the first Transformers figure I got was a really complicated figure. I think it was Animated Bee, his transformation to vehicle mode was impossible! Then again, I was 8 so......

What I don't get is why they don't just make figures like they did back during the transformers cybertron/galaxy force days. Those things were a snap to transform but had a ton of articulation.

LE0KING wrote:What I don't get is why they don't just make figures like they did back during the transformers cybertron/galaxy force days. Those things were a snap to transform but had a ton of articulation.

Hell yeah, Cybertron is DAH TITS!
One of the best TF line ever, giving a perfect mix of old shcool and modern, while being both kid and hardcore friendly. I wouldnt mind if Hasbro pull a 2007 Movie by sneaking a few more Cybertron repaints into some main lines.

Hmm. I like Megatron and Starscream more and more... The only thing that bothers me about Megatron is that face sculpt, it's a bit off. Starscream, Optimus and Bumblebee all look good in that department, but Megatron's just a wee bit off.

I'd still snap him up in a heartbeat, though. 'Screamer's first, however.

Autobot032 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Y'know, I don't mind these simplified transformations and upsizing or downsizing when they're done right and some of these are done right. What bothers me, immensely I might add, is that their articulation is severely limited on some things.

All of them could use pivots and ball joints everywhere. Wrist swivels, heads, knees, hips, ANKLES, I don't think it's too much to ask for those things and I can't imagine they add any difficulty to these molds. I just can't.

I hate it when they pull crap like this. Starscream actually looks like something I'd buy, I really do like him quite a bit, but the lack of something as simple as ankle pivots drives me insane.

Tsk tsk tsk. Sure, the lack of some articulations is a bummer for a lots of us. But you seem to miss the point of this line. SIMPLIFICATION. Too much articulations mean automatically a more complicated transformation. Most kids and adults that are just entering into the world of Transformers would have no clue where to start. So it's a great way to introduce the classic designs to beginners.

Never forget that before doing algebra one must first learn that 1+1=2.

Well, I'm certainly offended. Thanks for talking down to me, which wasn't necessary. Why, exactly, do you assume someone is stupid and needs it explained? Why am I not allowed to have my opinion without people like you crapping all over it?

I missed nothing, including the point of this line. An ankle pivot would add an extra step to Starscream's transformation? Really? A side to side pivot? A wrist that swivels?

In the future, think before you post something like this. It's offensive and unnecessary. Don't do it again.

Exactly how was Kanrabat being offensive ?

Over on the devy thread, it was me complaining about an over-simplified kiddie figure and you were defending it against my anti-kiddie jokes.

But on this thread youre complaining about over-simplification and someone else is saying the same thing you told me...these were meant for kids.

You really should lighten up. You seem to think everyone is being offensive but in reality theyre just speaking their mind. Or as your buddy Burn would say #justbeingoutspoken

As much as I dislike the over-simplification of lines like this giant-Legends class range (I remember when I was a kid and we were annoyed with the way things like Throttlebots and Pretenders lacked the complexity of the earlier Transformer toys which we had no trouble transforming. Not to say those simplified TF's didn't have their own appeal though), that Grimlock looks kinda fun. If I come across is in a sale for way cheaper than it is I may purchase it as a desk toy.

yay.. more garbage that isn't going to sell and will clog shelf space for months.. what a joy.

TimothyR wrote:yay.. more garbage that isn't going to sell and will clog shelf space for months.. what a joy.

GUYS! WE GOT A BUSINESS MANAGER OVER HERE!


Come on, those are ACTUAL Transformers. Also, even if you don't like it, dosent mean the one-steps and simple TFs wont sell. At first glance, it look like the things don't sell, bu8t in fact, it sell like hotcakes. Locally, even if the simple stuff's pegs are always full, I notice that it's never constantly the same figures! That mean they sell a lot.

Plus, those guys in this thread are classic inspired. That fact alone will make then sell even faster. You must live on another planet to see A WHOLE LINE of classic inspired toys shelfwarm.

Are... are Megatron's feet just a bunch of MISSILE PODS?!?!

Noideaforaname wrote:Are... are Megatron's feet just a bunch of MISSILE PODS?!?!

Yup!

Noideaforaname wrote:Are... are Megatron's feet just a bunch of MISSILE PODS?!?!

"Watch it, gang! His toes are loaded!"

*gasp*

"And each one of my little piggies is gonna blast ya!"

Noideaforaname wrote:Are... are Megatron's feet just a bunch of MISSILE PODS?!?!

Actually that's pretty metal. Imagine- he kicks someone in the face and lets loose a barrage of rockets directly into their head. That's, like, Getter Robo levels of super-robot madness.

Delta Magnus wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:Are... are Megatron's feet just a bunch of MISSILE PODS?!?!

Actually that's pretty metal. Imagine- he kicks someone in the face and lets loose a barrage of rockets directly into their head. That's, like, Getter Robo levels of super-robot madness.

Where's a gif of GoDannar's Soul Breaker when I need it...?

I'm definitely looking forward to some in hand reviews of these guys. I don't expect tons, but some of these look pretty nice.

That Megatron almost looks cool.

Brazilian fansite Transformers Dioramas has posted some new images from Naabrin, the same show that brought the latest Devastator images.

These images are of the upcoming two subclasses of the Generations Cyber series which contain 11 inch and 7 inch simplified Transformers toys of classic characters. These are the very first live images we have ever seen of these figures, and mirrored below you will find the two Optimus toys, 11 inch Bumblebee and 7 inch Megatron in alt mode. An RID Warrior class Bumblebee is mistakenly inserted there as well but it actually helps give us a sense of the scale of these figures.

They put the wrong Bumblebee in front of that box.

Sabrblade wrote:They put the wrong Bumblebee in front of that box.

Did you read my news post?

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:They put the wrong Bumblebee in front of that box.

Did you read my news post?

Just making a casual observation to chuckle at.