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I got that Shockwave a few weeks ago and honestly, it's pretty close to perfect. All it's missing is knee articulation and it's the perfect Classics Shockwave just 11 years too late.

I'm still giving this a thumbs down because if Hasbro's confident that even collectors will buy this cheap, hollow, stick figured mess then they'll continue making them instead REAL Generations figures with articulation.

YoungPrime wrote:I'm still giving this a thumbs down because if Hasbro's confident that even collectors will buy this cheap, hollow, stick figured mess then they'll continue making them instead REAL Generations figures with articulation.

I actually don't think hasbro care if collectors buy it or not. This ticks all box for catering to less affluent children, far as they see it, who cares who buys it as long as it's bought. I think we're likely going to get a new Shockwave in the next three years. There's a 1 in 4 chance it will be in the size class you want

ZeroWolf wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:I'm still giving this a thumbs down because if Hasbro's confident that even collectors will buy this cheap, hollow, stick figured mess then they'll continue making them instead REAL Generations figures with articulation.

I actually don't think hasbro care if collectors buy it or not. This ticks all box for catering to less affluent children, far as they see it, who cares who buys it as long as it's bought. I think we're likely going to get a new Shockwave in the next three years. There's a 1 in 4 chance it will be in the size class you want

1 in 3, I don't think Legends Class will be redone any time soon, plus, it was to homage a particular G1 scene with Bruticus.

Well that's even better odds then

Cyber Sideswipe has the same head design as MP-12 Masterpiece Lambor?!?!

wangson wrote:Cyber Sideswipe has the same head design as MP-12 Masterpiece Lambor?!?!

Shouldn't it? Both head sculpts are based on the original toy instead of the cartoon.




Emerje

ZeroWolf wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:I'm still giving this a thumbs down because if Hasbro's confident that even collectors will buy this cheap, hollow, stick figured mess then they'll continue making them instead REAL Generations figures with articulation.

I actually don't think hasbro care if collectors buy it or not. This ticks all box for catering to less affluent children, far as they see it, who cares who buys it as long as it's bought. I think we're likely going to get a new Shockwave in the next three years. There's a 1 in 4 chance it will be in the size class you want

Is shutting me up in your best interest...?

I'm just asking for quality figures and if Hasbro is confident that more people will buy half@ssed crap like this then it will impact the other lines.

If you like this Cyber Series, then fine. Dismiss what I'm saying all you like but as far as Hasbro not caring, tell that to them during those Toy fair and Comic Conventions where the Hasbro panel is constantly thanking "US" for our support.

Meanwhile that previous wave of Cyber figures (StarScream and Prowl) have been collecting dust at my local Walgreen's in the clearance bin for over a year now.

So I think it's important to remind Hasbro that even children haven't given up on quality toys as of yet....

YoungPrime wrote:Meanwhile that previous wave of Cyber figures (StarScream and Prowl) have been collecting dust at my local Walgreen's in the clearance bin for over a year now.

So I think it's important to remind Hasbro that even children haven't given up on quality toys as of yet....

Which kid goes to Walgreens to buy toys?

william-james88 wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:Meanwhile that previous wave of Cyber figures (StarScream and Prowl) have been collecting dust at my local Walgreen's in the clearance bin for over a year now.

So I think it's important to remind Hasbro that even children haven't given up on quality toys as of yet....

Which kid goes to Walgreens to buy toys?

A child being dragged by his Mom to the Pharmacy section in the back that has to go through the "Toy aisle" that's strategically placed in a section that can't be avoided.

Hell even the restrooms at my local Wal-mart have a gauntlet of toy isles that you can't avoid in order to get there.

YoungPrime wrote:
Meanwhile that previous wave of Cyber figures (StarScream and Prowl) have been collecting dust at my local Walgreen's in the clearance bin for over a year now.

Interesting - I've never seen that Starscream at Walgreen's.

YoungPrime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:I'm still giving this a thumbs down because if Hasbro's confident that even collectors will buy this cheap, hollow, stick figured mess then they'll continue making them instead REAL Generations figures with articulation.

I actually don't think hasbro care if collectors buy it or not. This ticks all box for catering to less affluent children, far as they see it, who cares who buys it as long as it's bought. I think we're likely going to get a new Shockwave in the next three years. There's a 1 in 4 chance it will be in the size class you want

Is shutting me up in your best interest...?

I'm just asking for quality figures and if Hasbro is confident that more people will buy half@ssed crap like this then it will impact the other lines.

If you like this Cyber Series, then fine. Dismiss what I'm saying all you like but as far as Hasbro not caring, tell that to them during those Toy fair and Comic Conventions where the Hasbro panel is constantly thanking "US" for our support.

Meanwhile that previous wave of Cyber figures (StarScream and Prowl) have been collecting dust at my local Walgreen's in the clearance bin for over a year now.

So I think it's important to remind Hasbro that even children haven't given up on quality toys as of yet....

Actually on the contrary I was just wanting you to realise who the toys were primarily for, and who they were designed for as I said (and was then corrected by jelze ) you have a 1 in 3 chance of getting the Shockwave you want in the next three years. If you want to campaign for better quality toys then go for it, just be prepared for more costs as the shareholders will not be prepared to lose profits just for our sake

YoungPrime wrote:If you like this Cyber Series, then fine. Dismiss what I'm saying all you like but as far as Hasbro not caring, tell that to them during those Toy fair and Comic Conventions where the Hasbro panel is constantly thanking "US" for our support.

It would be rude if they stood in front of a bunch of collectors and said, "we'd like to thank all of the parents and children out there for making us boat loads of cash!" Of course they're thanking collectors in those cases, but it's a well known fact that collectors only account for a small part of Hasbro's profits. Just look at Generations, are fans really asking for everyone to be turned into Headmasters and combiners? Probably not the majority, but Hasbro knows they have a better chance of cross selling them to children if they make them gimmick and theme heavy, which in turn allows them to make more obscure characters.

You don't have to worry about a popular Cyber figure effecting Generations any more than you have to worry about Studio Series preventing us from getting any more Masterpiece Movie figures. Currently Hasbro likes to think of each line as a stepping stone for kids and sets age recommendations accordingly. They only care about what's happening within those ages, not across them.

3+ - Rescue Bots (specifically they say 3-7)
6+ - Robots in Disguise, Transformers Authentics, Cyber Battalion
8+ - Generations (including Prime Wars and movies), Studio Series, Masterpiece

This is what Hasbro cares about, what works within those ages. They don't discourage people buying outside of them, but they aren't going to dumb down something in a higher age bracket just because collectors liked one figure from a lower bracket. What they might do is notice which character has caught collectors' interest from the lower bracket and work from there because clearly that character is someone collectors want in a higher bracket and with the quality that comes with it.

And this isn't just throwing age ratings at the figures based on the number of parts or anything like that, this was something Hasbro intentionally devised a few years back as a longevity strategy specifically for Transformers. Prior to that Generations and TFPrime figures were all ages 5+. They even make fancy graphics for their investors like this one from last year:



Just have to have a little faith, they haven't done anything like what you're thinking before and they have even less reason to do it now.

Emerje

ZeroWolf wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:I'm still giving this a thumbs down because if Hasbro's confident that even collectors will buy this cheap, hollow, stick figured mess then they'll continue making them instead REAL Generations figures with articulation.

I actually don't think hasbro care if collectors buy it or not. This ticks all box for catering to less affluent children, far as they see it, who cares who buys it as long as it's bought. I think we're likely going to get a new Shockwave in the next three years. There's a 1 in 4 chance it will be in the size class you want

Is shutting me up in your best interest...?

I'm just asking for quality figures and if Hasbro is confident that more people will buy half@ssed crap like this then it will impact the other lines.

If you like this Cyber Series, then fine. Dismiss what I'm saying all you like but as far as Hasbro not caring, tell that to them during those Toy fair and Comic Conventions where the Hasbro panel is constantly thanking "US" for our support.

Meanwhile that previous wave of Cyber figures (StarScream and Prowl) have been collecting dust at my local Walgreen's in the clearance bin for over a year now.

So I think it's important to remind Hasbro that even children haven't given up on quality toys as of yet....

Actually on the contrary I was just wanting you to realise who the toys were primarily for, and who they were designed for as I said (and was then corrected by jelze ) you have a 1 in 3 chance of getting the Shockwave you want in the next three years. If you want to campaign for better quality toys then go for it, just be prepared for more costs as the shareholders will not be prepared to lose profits just for our sake

You clearly haven't read any of my previous post on this matter. I have no doubt that there will be more Generations Shockwave's to follow. I'm even more certain that the next one to be released will be a Leader Class mold just to increase the "placeholder value" of this Cyber series version due to its scale.

This is what Hasbro doe$$$. It's done with adult collectors in mind and it's annoying!

Im good with this shockwave for now. Its voyager. Im just hoping the shapeways guys are working on those knee joints and any other parts needed to make it fully transformable with the new knees.

YoungPrime wrote:You clearly haven't read any of my previous post on this matter. I have no doubt that there will be more Generations Shockwave's to follow. I'm even more certain that the next one to be released will be a Leader Class mold just to increase the "placeholder value" of this Cyber series version due to its scale.

This is what Hasbro doe$$$. It's done with adult collectors in mind and it's annoying!

If this is what Hasbro does then let's hear some examples. When did Hasbro make a figure in an unusual size just because they already made a figure in the appropriate size in an entirely different and unrelated line?

Besides, there are fans that WOULD want a Leader Shockwave to go with Leader Megatron, Soundwave, and the three Seeker Jets. Just because it's not what YOU want doesn't mean everyone shares your feelings.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:You clearly haven't read any of my previous post on this matter. I have no doubt that there will be more Generations Shockwave's to follow. I'm even more certain that the next one to be released will be a Leader Class mold just to increase the "placeholder value" of this Cyber series version due to its scale.

This is what Hasbro doe$$$. It's done with adult collectors in mind and it's annoying!

Besides, there are fans that WOULD want a Leader Shockwave to go with Leader Megatron, Soundwave, and the three Seeker Jets. Just because it's not what YOU want doesn't mean everyone shares your feelings.

Emerje

That goes both ways and doesn't change anything I've stated so far, soooooo....

Rated X wrote:Im good with this shockwave for now. Its voyager. Im just hoping the shapeways guys are working on those knee joints and any other parts needed to make it fully transformable with the new knees.

There's a guy in my State who's good with modding and adding 3P upgrades to lackluster figures. He post on another TF site with pictures that changed my reluctance with TR Galvatron so I did offer to pick one up for him and mail it to him which he'd reimburse if he doesn't find one in the meantime.

The hollowness and the absent knee joints are the deal breakers for me so I'd really like to see what he does to resolve it.

YoungPrime wrote:

Emerje wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:You clearly haven't read any of my previous post on this matter. I have no doubt that there will be more Generations Shockwave's to follow. I'm even more certain that the next one to be released will be a Leader Class mold just to increase the "placeholder value" of this Cyber series version due to its scale.

This is what Hasbro doe$$$. It's done with adult collectors in mind and it's annoying!

Besides, there are fans that WOULD want a Leader Shockwave to go with Leader Megatron, Soundwave, and the three Seeker Jets. Just because it's not what YOU want doesn't mean everyone shares your feelings.

Emerje

That goes both ways and doesn't change anything I've stated so far, soooooo....

Like I'm going to just because you don't like what I have to say. You weren't saying it goes both ways when you just said Leader Shockwave would be the wrong scale and Hasbro would do it just to screw with fans.

And you still didn't give an example of Hasbro doing that before, yet you were quick to remove that part from my quote as if I was going to forget. I guess you can't, there goes your whole argument against the Cyber Shockwave figure.

Emerje

Nathaniel Prime wrote:I wonder if we can get a G1 Jazz from that Sideswipe... Decent looking kids toys (for younger kids at least), especially that Shockwave

Heh it's funny you mention that bc 2 days ago I was watching TV with Sideswipe in my lap (along with Takara Legends Series Sixshot) & I was thinking that Jazz would be the obvious next choice for the line using that buck/transformation. Another idea I had was if they remolded and recolored the Grimlock (in my Cyber Battalion playlist you can see how awesome he is if you don't know. And every other Cyber Battalion release as well). But I think they need to remolded both heads (dino & bot)

CdogCdog4 wrote:

Nathaniel Prime wrote:I wonder if we can get a G1 Jazz from that Sideswipe... Decent looking kids toys (for younger kids at least), especially that Shockwave

Heh it's funny you mention that bc 2 days ago I was watching TV with Sideswipe in my lap (along with Takara Legends Series Sixshot) & I was thinking that Jazz would be the obvious next choice for the line using that buck/transformation. Another idea I had was if they remolded and recolored the Grimlock (in my Cyber Battalion playlist you can see how awesome he is if you don't know. And every other Cyber Battalion release as well). But I think they need to remolded both heads (dino & bot)

I think Porshe don't like money like Wolsvagen and still refuse to give any licences to . So if a "G1" Jazz is made, it will only be a "Porch-ish" car.

YoungPrime wrote:I'm still giving this a thumbs down because if Hasbro's confident that even collectors will buy this cheap, hollow, stick figured mess then they'll continue making them instead REAL Generations figures with articulation.

If your suggesting Hasbro won't make Generations Classics figures over these Cybers being made exactly how they are mnow, i believe your wrong. Because if they do decide to make these instead, you can bet your ass they will have knees. The knees are missing to differentiate the lines. As it is, they still give them enough joints to pose their legs (ankles hips) & If they put knees in on these hard plastic larger Battalion figures, then the cheaper plastic, articulated figures, wouldn't sell as mu. Hasbro COULD put knees in but they are choosing not to and the ones that DO have knees, it's always a semi loose swivel joint that won't hold poses in most of the surface area that it swivels on. I CAN get poses, but not easily aND it won't hold securely. But if it became one of their main lines they'd have knees.

YoungPrime wrote:I'm still giving this a thumbs down because if Hasbro's confident that even collectors will buy this cheap, hollow, stick figured mess then they'll continue making them instead REAL Generations figures with articulation.

In the first case, that was one delicious bait.

But if it's the later, I still can't beleives some fans STILL think that way in current year.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

CdogCdog4 wrote:

Nathaniel Prime wrote:I wonder if we can get a G1 Jazz from that Sideswipe... Decent looking kids toys (for younger kids at least), especially that Shockwave

Heh it's funny you mention that bc 2 days ago I was watching TV with Sideswipe in my lap (along with Takara Legends Series Sixshot) & I was thinking that Jazz would be the obvious next choice for the line using that buck/transformation. Another idea I had was if they remolded and recolored the Grimlock (in my Cyber Battalion playlist you can see how awesome he is if you don't know. And every other Cyber Battalion release as well). But I think they need to remolded both heads (dino & bot)

I think Porshe don't like money like Wolsvagen and still refuse to give any licences to . So if a "G1" Jazz is made, it will only be a "Porch-ish" car.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen so....

VW has recently opened up a bit about licensing their vehicles. As such we did get MP Bumblebee, and are getting a VW bug Bumblebee for the Bee Movie. So, licensing Jazz's alt mode does not seem out of the question.

Though the specific racing version with the sponsors may a bit harder.

However, since these figures aren't actually licensed vehicles, there's no reason not to have a Jazz figure simply because Hasbro cannot license the Porsche vehicle mode.

It's not like Sideswipe in this line is a licensed Lamborghini. It's just a generic red sports car.

Takara on the other hand is taking its sweet time with an MP Jazz for some reason.

So that mean all hopes are not lost for MP Jazz. Good.

Also, something like this would be good enough for the Cyber Series: