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Shadowman wrote:I wasn't asking for ideas, I was asking for facts.
Not ideas for how they could alter him, I'm not looking for concepts.
It's a simple question:
What puts Scarface/Ventriloquist on par with Batman's other villains?
As for what you think of Batman's other villains: If you think Joker is ridiculous, you haven't read The Killing Joke.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:How does one even begin to answer that question?"?
I'll say this, the Ventriloquist is one of Batmans most physiology complex characters.The split personality could be explored in depth as a contrass to Batman and his dual identity.
A dual personality would work as the main theme as whose in control, whose actually the master the puppet or the ventriloquist, and who is Batmans real face bruce or the mask.
Nolan could take the chance to explore a villain that's more about psychological depravity than physical harm, emphasize the fragile, damaged mind of Wesker in the movie giving it a scary psychological feel.This is a character that Nolan could develop into a deep, complex, full, sympathetic villain.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And the concept of a man, wearing make up or being disfigured, then spending the rest of his life playing tricks on socity is ridiculous.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Okay, you have the psychological aspect down. That's about one half of a good villain. Now onto the other half: How is Scarface/Ventriloquist a direct threat to the people of Gotham and to Batman? A villain is not a villain if the hero can take him apart in two seconds, even if it is Batman.
What you call "tricks" most people would call "murder," but I guess the principle is kind of the same.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:After the events of the last film its conceivable that all the families are at war with each other.Wesaker could try to be taking full control.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:After the events of the last film its conceivable that all the families are at war with each other.Wesaker could try to be taking full control.
That already happened. In TDK the various mob bosses are all in the aftermath of an apparently vicious war. Joker comes in, offering to help them with their Bat problem, but at the same time edges out each one of them, claiming all of their power as his own. By the climax, he's assimilated the majority of the mob.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:With the Joker now gone, it leaves a void.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:With the Joker now gone, it leaves a void.
Mafia politics aren't complicated. They'd have had a new leader by the end of the week.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:And you know what's hilarious, when I went to watch The Dark Knight in theatres I noticed a bit of confusion as to why the MARVEL movie logo wasn't shown during the opening as if to say all super heroes are Marvel comic characters. Oh I love the general public super hero fans.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:And you know what's hilarious, when I went to watch The Dark Knight in theatres I noticed a bit of confusion as to why the MARVEL movie logo wasn't shown during the opening as if to say all super heroes are Marvel comic characters. Oh I love the general public super hero fans.
Are you serious??
And that is interesting about Spidies baddies.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:And you know what's hilarious, when I went to watch The Dark Knight in theatres I noticed a bit of confusion as to why the MARVEL movie logo wasn't shown during the opening as if to say all super heroes are Marvel comic characters. Oh I love the general public super hero fans.
Are you serious??
And that is interesting about Spidies baddies.
Yes I'm serious, over here the general public believes that Batman and Superman are Marvel characters. I believe it has something to do with the fact that most super hero movies released in theatres over the past 10 years have been Marvel movies.
The only people who know the difference are those that read superhero comics or are in constant contact with them.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:And you know what's hilarious, when I went to watch The Dark Knight in theatres I noticed a bit of confusion as to why the MARVEL movie logo wasn't shown during the opening as if to say all super heroes are Marvel comic characters. Oh I love the general public super hero fans.
Are you serious??
And that is interesting about Spidies baddies.
Yes I'm serious, over here the general public believes that Batman and Superman are Marvel characters. I believe it has something to do with the fact that most super hero movies released in theatres over the past 10 years have been Marvel movies.
The only people who know the difference are those that read superhero comics or are in constant contact with them.
Do you mind if I ask where your from?
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:And you know what's hilarious, when I went to watch The Dark Knight in theatres I noticed a bit of confusion as to why the MARVEL movie logo wasn't shown during the opening as if to say all super heroes are Marvel comic characters. Oh I love the general public super hero fans.
Are you serious??
And that is interesting about Spidies baddies.
Yes I'm serious, over here the general public believes that Batman and Superman are Marvel characters. I believe it has something to do with the fact that most super hero movies released in theatres over the past 10 years have been Marvel movies.
The only people who know the difference are those that read superhero comics or are in constant contact with them.
Do you mind if I ask where your from?
Germany.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Shadowman wrote:No one wants to see a movie about children being killed and tortured and I'm amazed you'd even suggest something so horrible.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Amelie wrote:Shadowman wrote:No one wants to see a movie about children being killed and tortured and I'm amazed you'd even suggest something so horrible.
It happens all over the world, all the time, and it really would give a character that real "evil" or insane feeling. Could give the character some read hard-core realism. Maybe child soldiers?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Amelie wrote:Shadowman wrote:No one wants to see a movie about children being killed and tortured and I'm amazed you'd even suggest something so horrible.
It happens all over the world, all the time, and it really would give a character that real "evil" or insane feeling. Could give the character some read hard-core realism. Maybe child soldiers?
Just because it's real doesn't mean it's a good idea to put it on the big screen. Even Star Wars cut away before Vader killed those kids, and any character who mentioned it afterwords was visibly disgusted by it.
Shadowman wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:right..........like a villian wearing a burlap sack and useing a fear gas calling himseld "The Scarecrow" is more realistic .
Or like a guy wearing clown make up, calling himself the joker is more realistic.
IT WORKED!!!!PERIOD!!!!
Scarecrow was a psychology expert who used a biochemical weapon to cause intense frightening hallucination in his victims, and used that mask to spray the toxin, protect himself from it, and use it's visage to exacerbate the hallucinations. The Joker was a psychotic criminal genius who loved to cause panic and chaos, and had tons and tons of contingency plans, and above all else, wanted to prove that everyone is as deranged as he is.
Also, I can't believe you of all people forgot this, none of the characters took either of them seriously at first. Falcone was unimpressed with Crane's mask, and even Crane said it doesn't have an effect on sane people. Everyone though the Joker was ridiculous at first, too. No one took him seriously until he started making his really big power plays. Batman even thought he wasn't a threat at first. "One man or the entire mob? He can wait."
I agree with you, to an extent, though. Despite having somewhat unrealistic aspects, they were still portrayed realistically.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Neither were really realistic concepts till Nolan found a way.
How can you possibly portray a ventriloquist dummy as a realistic, threatening villain? I have an imagination, and I can make sense of just about anything. But if it's between a guy with a ventriloquist dummy and a man in hastily applied clown make-up holding a knife to my face chattering about why he's an insane criminal, guess which one I'm more intimidated by?
SAW THAT IS JUST A DUMMY EVERYONE IS SCARED OF THAT THING
at least i amsto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Besides....the Ventriloquist and Scarface always employed others for those things.
Of course he does, almost all of Batman's villains do. But you may recall that Batman's best villains can also take him in a fist-fight.
victoryconvoy wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 and shadowman need to write this movie!!
I just started reading up on this forum listening to them
argue about the script and who should be the bad guy in it
and I have to say that I think they have a pretty good idea
on what to do!!!I'm not kidding!!!I would lve to see the movie take place a month or two after the events of the dark night with a very dangerous gangwar for control of
Gotham.When I first heard the idea for the ventriliquist
I thought that was just f^cking stupid,but the more he was described i really like where the charecterization of him
was going............BTW...make second bad guy deathstroke or deadshot!!
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:victoryconvoy wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 and shadowman need to write this movie!!
I just started reading up on this forum listening to them
argue about the script and who should be the bad guy in it
and I have to say that I think they have a pretty good idea
on what to do!!!I'm not kidding!!!I would lve to see the movie take place a month or two after the events of the dark night with a very dangerous gangwar for control of
Gotham.When I first heard the idea for the ventriliquist
I thought that was just f^cking stupid,but the more he was described i really like where the charecterization of him
was going............BTW...make second bad guy deathstroke or deadshot!!
Thanks for the good word.
Now I can see Deadshot in a Nolan film, but not Deathstroke.
Midnight_Fox wrote:Is it because Deathstroke is more a Titans villain or is it because of the amount of time Slade's beaten up the Bat?![]()
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
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