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I don't understand how Dinobots and Insecticons = OMG I MUST HAVE IT YESTERDAY, but any other beast-Transformer = WTF HASBLOW, I QUIT FOREVER! (especially considering the fact beast-formers have been in every series in one form or another)

I get "beast-formers have lazy transformations", "organic robots are just weird", and other rational reasons, or just plain preference of vehicles over beasts, but the extreme negative reactions are just absurd.

Sabrblade wrote:Why do I get the feeling that just because G1 started with vehicle modes is the reason for most of the hate towards beast modes?

That and the fact that beastformers have been less prevalent than vehicleformers through most of the franchise. People like what they're used to. Personally, I welcome our new beast overlords.

Sabrblade wrote:Why do I get the feeling that just because G1 started with vehicle modes is the reason for most of the hate towards beast modes?

Me personally, if they make appearances in the show, I make an effort to buy the version that's most in-scale (i.e Deluxe Bumblebee over Weaponizer Bumblebee). So for me, I have no preference over which type of Transformer pops up, as long as their toys are 70% decent. I won't take crap like Airachnid.

Noideaforaname wrote:I don't understand how Dinobots and Insecticons = OMG I MUST HAVE IT YESTERDAY, but any other beast-Transformer = WTF HASBLOW, I QUIT FOREVER! (especially considering the fact beast-formers have been in every series in one form or another)

I get "beast-formers have lazy transformations", "organic robots are just weird", and other rational reasons, or just plain preference of vehicles over beasts, but the extreme negative reactions are just absurd.

This so much.

Oh Hell Yeah!!! Bring on the beasts!!!

And it doesnt look to be a bad introduction into the Prime show.

Look forward to both.

Noideaforaname wrote:I don't understand how Dinobots and Insecticons = OMG I MUST HAVE IT YESTERDAY, but any other beast-Transformer = WTF HASBLOW, I QUIT FOREVER! (especially considering the fact beast-formers have been in every series in one form or another)

I get "beast-formers have lazy transformations", "organic robots are just weird", and other rational reasons, or just plain preference of vehicles over beasts, but the extreme negative reactions are just absurd.

I think the problem is that when beast mode transformers are done badly they are done REAALLLLLLLY badly. Head hands, shellformers, very strange faces, awkward looking kibble etc. Even though there are good Beastformers the percentage that are good or even passable seems to be lower than it is with cars or jets (makes sense, given how much practice HasTak have at vehicles)and those bad ones just stick in the memory.

Diem wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I don't understand how Dinobots and Insecticons = OMG I MUST HAVE IT YESTERDAY, but any other beast-Transformer = WTF HASBLOW, I QUIT FOREVER! (especially considering the fact beast-formers have been in every series in one form or another)

I get "beast-formers have lazy transformations", "organic robots are just weird", and other rational reasons, or just plain preference of vehicles over beasts, but the extreme negative reactions are just absurd.

I think the problem is that when beast mode transformers are done badly they are done REAALLLLLLLY badly. Head hands, shellformers, very strange faces, awkward looking kibble etc. Even though there are good Beastformers the percentage that are good or even passable seems to be lower than it is with cars or jets (makes sense, given how much practice HasTak have at vehicles)and those bad ones just stick in the memory.

Agreed, I think this is a big part of the problem, that a lot of them are just horrible toys. But I also think annother part of it has to do with believability and scale. Just as an example, I'll use Leo Breaker from Cybertron as an example. He's disguised as a lion, yet he's the size of a firetruck (Prime)? Plus the fur, how does a machine grow fur? And if it's supposed to be a metallic animal, what's the purpose of an earth animal alt mode anyway? People threw a fit with Bayformers Jetfire & Que for their "hair", so I can kind of see why people have a problem with beasts.

But personally, I like the idea, and I love the look for Predaking so far! The more types of alt modes the better I say

was hoping beast hunters would be its own thing and not just the next season of TFprime, nothing will make me watch the show other than getting rid of all the humans and telling Cullen to give Prime emotions again. Figure looks ok but i hope its not an animal with a vehicle alt mode, triple changer would be cool. Wonder how much this thing is going to be? Overpriced for sure but by how much?

I don't care about the act they are beasts, As I liked Beast Wars.
Just when it comes to ROBOTS IN DISGUISE, unless you have a good reason why they are disguised as ALIEN BEASTS on EARTH, then it's pretty bad writing.

in G1, the Humans knew about the TF's by the time Beast forms were used, and none of which were organic like, they were all Mecha based.

In Prime, part of the major part of the story is the "Covert" part of the Transformers on Earth. Having Giant Dragons, Lions and other alien looking disguises, doesn't do much for that.

just saying, it's not always about the toys, or liking Beasts over vehicle modes.

Are't we forgetting that the interview with Steven Melching said that the show is going to be in a new place for season 3? If it's gonna be moving off of Earth, then there's no more reason for them to stay "robots in disguise" from humanity.

Or, if it does remain on Earth, I think we can pretty much rule out any possibility of them remaining hidden from humanity any longer if the stakes are high enough that humans become aware of the Transformers.

RodimalToyota wrote:I don't care about the act they are beasts, As I liked Beast Wars.
Just when it comes to ROBOTS IN DISGUISE, unless you have a good reason why they are disguised as ALIEN BEASTS on EARTH, then it's pretty bad writing.

in G1, the Humans knew about the TF's by the time Beast forms were used, and none of which were organic like, they were all Mecha based.

In Prime, part of the major part of the story is the "Covert" part of the Transformers on Earth. Having Giant Dragons, Lions and other alien looking disguises, doesn't do much for that.

just saying, it's not always about the toys, or liking Beasts over vehicle modes.

Except the Robots in Disguise bit will be dropped for the toy line, I could see that actually happening:

Series 1: Robots in Disguise
Series 2: Beast Hunters
Series 3: ???

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

RodimalToyota wrote:I don't care about the act they are beasts, As I liked Beast Wars.
Just when it comes to ROBOTS IN DISGUISE, unless you have a good reason why they are disguised as ALIEN BEASTS on EARTH, then it's pretty bad writing.

in G1, the Humans knew about the TF's by the time Beast forms were used, and none of which were organic like, they were all Mecha based.

In Prime, part of the major part of the story is the "Covert" part of the Transformers on Earth. Having Giant Dragons, Lions and other alien looking disguises, doesn't do much for that.

just saying, it's not always about the toys, or liking Beasts over vehicle modes.

Except the Robots in Disguise bit will be dropped for the toy line, I could see that actually happening:

Series 1: Robots in Disguise
Series 2: Beast Hunters
Series 3: ???

Minor correction:

Series 1: First Edition
Series 2: Robots in Disguise
Series 3: Beast Hunters
Series 4: ???

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

RodimalToyota wrote:I don't care about the act they are beasts, As I liked Beast Wars.
Just when it comes to ROBOTS IN DISGUISE, unless you have a good reason why they are disguised as ALIEN BEASTS on EARTH, then it's pretty bad writing.

in G1, the Humans knew about the TF's by the time Beast forms were used, and none of which were organic like, they were all Mecha based.

In Prime, part of the major part of the story is the "Covert" part of the Transformers on Earth. Having Giant Dragons, Lions and other alien looking disguises, doesn't do much for that.

just saying, it's not always about the toys, or liking Beasts over vehicle modes.

Except the Robots in Disguise bit will be dropped for the toy line, I could see that actually happening:

Series 1: Robots in Disguise
Series 2: Beast Hunters
Series 3: ???

Minor correction:

Series 1: First Edition
Series 2: Robots in Disguise
Series 3: Beast Hunters
Series 4: ???

The boxes and cards say Series 1 for Robots in Disguise, but Series 2 for Cyberverse. Cyberverse Series 1 was DotM

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The boxes and cards say Series 1 for Robots in Disguise, but Series 2 for Cyberverse. Cyberverse Series 1 was DotM

Ah okay. Let's do it like this then:

Series 0: First Edition
Series 1: Robots in Disguise
Series 2: Beast Hunters
Series 3: ???

But, wait, what if the BBTS Dark Energon toyline has a series number?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

RodimalToyota wrote:I don't care about the act they are beasts, As I liked Beast Wars.
Just when it comes to ROBOTS IN DISGUISE, unless you have a good reason why they are disguised as ALIEN BEASTS on EARTH, then it's pretty bad writing.

in G1, the Humans knew about the TF's by the time Beast forms were used, and none of which were organic like, they were all Mecha based.

In Prime, part of the major part of the story is the "Covert" part of the Transformers on Earth. Having Giant Dragons, Lions and other alien looking disguises, doesn't do much for that.

just saying, it's not always about the toys, or liking Beasts over vehicle modes.

Except the Robots in Disguise bit will be dropped for the toy line, I could see that actually happening:

Series 1: Robots in Disguise
Series 2: Beast Hunters
Series 3: ???

Then so Be it, but if it stays on earth, I'll be sadly disappointed.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The boxes and cards say Series 1 for Robots in Disguise, but Series 2 for Cyberverse. Cyberverse Series 1 was DotM

Ah okay. Let's do it like this then:

Series 0: First Edition
Series 1: Robots in Disguise
Series 2: Beast Hunters
Series 3: ???

But, wait, what if the BBTS Dark Energon toyline has a series number?

Since they're exclusives I don't expect them to have one. Still, that's a good thing to ponder since I'm rather finicky with logical and legible organisation

Regardless of setting, the Decepticons in this show have treated their vehicle forms less as a disguise and more as a mode of transportation. They don't care much if they get seen by humans, it's lucky they haven't been spotted more, actually. So creating a subfaction with beastial alt modes is just a military tactic. It's not a disguise, it's a weapon.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Since they're exclusives I don't expect them to have one. Still, that's a good thing to ponder since I'm rather finicky with logical and legible organisation

What has me curious is the fact that, when they were announced at SDCC, they had their own section apart from all the other Prime figures during the presentation. And IIRC, they had their own unique color scheme to the background design of their slide pages.

This has me wondering if they'll come in their own packaging or just Prime RID packaging.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Since they're exclusives I don't expect them to have one. Still, that's a good thing to ponder since I'm rather finicky with logical and legible organisation

What has me curious is the fact that, when they were announced at SDCC, they had their own section apart from all the other Prime figures during the presentation. And IIRC, they had their own unique color scheme to the background design of their slide pages.

This has me wondering if they'll come in their own packaging or just Prime RID packaging.

I think they'll package similarly to most subline imprint.






I could go on, but I won't.

PrymeStriker wrote:I think they'll package similarly to most subline imprint.

That's just it, we dion't know if the DE toys are a subline imprint or not. They could just be packaged in RID packaging with words "Dark Energon" attached to the characters' names.

Sabrblade wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:I think they'll package similarly to most subline imprint.

That's just it, we dion't know if the DE toys are a subline imprint or not. They could just be packaged in RID packaging with words "Dark Energon" attached to the characters' names.

OH! You're talking about Dark Energon? I thought you meant Beast Hunters.

No, this is the Dark Energon toys packaging, right?:

Ah, so it IS a different toyline. Well that makes four so far. First Edition, Robots in Disguise, Dark Energon, and Beast Hunters.

Coptur wrote:My hope is we'll get a Prime-verse version of Optimus Primal so we can have Prime(Cullen) and Primal (Chalk) fighting side by side.

Damn you for suggesting something that is as awesome as it is unlikely to happen.

RodimalToyota wrote:ugh, robots that transform into organic beasts, only made sense in Beast Wars because there were no machine's around yet. But Beasts and Machines?
That's what made me stop watchin the first time around!

and.. Pirates?
We already had Zombies

The only thing we need left is a sweet Emo vampire bot.. maybe Rat-Bat will show up with a Cure CD and some sweet trench coats.
Then Season four will Have Wierd Wolf, a challenged teen bot who must
leave at midnight to avoid the anger of his teenage angst, and turn into a beastly yet sensitive Werewolf.

You alright, mate? You kind of went off on one there. Has the other-half dragged you to one too many movies that shall not be named?

Sabrblade wrote:Ah, so it IS a different toyline. Well that makes four so far. First Edition, Robots in Disguise, Dark Energon, and Beast Hunters.

And Arms Micron?

Not exactly the best quality picture. Which makes me wonder if this is the bat-like character we see in the promo for the new series.