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Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:So basically you can get the Evasion mode Prime with chrome, and a faceplate, in the two pack with Grimlock
OR
Evasion mode Prime without chrome, closer G1 robot mode, with flames, and a faceplate with the 6th or 7th domestic release of the Classic Prime mold, with chrome. Don't know about you but I'm having a hard time figuring out which set I want.
I feel like the confusion about which product you prefer is part of the business strategy with all of these repaints. Somewhere in these, if you mix and match parts, is the perfect versions of each of these molds. Curious to see what people come up with.
Rated X wrote:Thats exactly what people are gonna do...mix and match parts. Theyre gonna buy both sets, Frankenstein the perfect Prime, and then return the crap bot to the store for some little kid to buy and never even notice. Personally I wouldnt blame them for doing it.
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:Seibertron wrote:This is going to be crazy for the galleries by the way ... I finally have my hands on Crystal Convoy, I never did the gallery of Henkei Ultra Magnus, we've got Fire Guts Ginrai coming out and now this one. Oh! And Cloud Convoy as well. 5 galleries of one mold 8 years after it was released after having been so used in the past. Very interesting!
Don't forget Bot Con shattered glass, and the two black versions!
I think you misread what I wrote. I was only talking about galleries that haven't been completed yet. All 3 of the ones you mentioned have had their galleries completed long ago.
It's been awhile, I forgot, lol
Yotsuyasan wrote:Rated X wrote:Thats exactly what people are gonna do...mix and match parts. Theyre gonna buy both sets, Frankenstein the perfect Prime, and then return the crap bot to the store for some little kid to buy and never even notice. Personally I wouldnt blame them for doing it.
That's slightly less evil then usual with toy swapping, as at least it is still a representation of the same character, and in the same mold... but you're still advocating for people* to unload a sub-par product on a poor, unsuspecting kid (or to piss off a fellow adult collector if they go looking for an Evasion Mode Prime in a store, and all that happens to be left on a shelf is this Frankenstein parts reject). Not cool.
If someone buys a toy for parts, congratulations! They bought a toy. It is theirs. They should either keep it, try and sell it (disclosing what was done to it) on eBay or someplace similar, or gift it to a friend (or a friend's kid). They should not return it to a store, get their money back for a product they have extensively made use of, and take that money to the bank while leaving open the possibility that some poor, unsuspecting person will be buying a toy that is not the toy they are expecting.
Like I said, slightly less evil in this case since at least it is still the right character, and the right mold of that character. But still evil enough to qualify anyone who does this as a douchebag.
* You never said in your post if you intended to do this thing yourself, but you did say that you "wouldn't blame them for doing it." Hence, advocating it.
Rated X wrote:Is it any more douche that the strategy Ryan believes Hasbro is using to persuade collectors to buy both sets?
Rated X wrote:Not sure if youve ever been to a fleamarket where the figures formerly owned by little kids end up. Its a parts graveyard. An arm here, a torso there missing a head.
Rated X wrote:Ive had to swap out defective or broken hasbro parts many times and I switch out the parts with the most perfect paint apps as reimbursement for my gas and wasted time. I havent done head swap with different figures before.
Rated X wrote:But if the toy shelves are overflowing with AOE toys like they always are during movie season, I wouldnt feel bad.
Rated X wrote:I never claimed to be the most ethical person in the world. My momma didnt raise no boy scout...
Yotsuyasan wrote:Rated X wrote:Is it any more douche that the strategy Ryan believes Hasbro is using to persuade collectors to buy both sets?
Ah yes, the argument of, "Person or corporation 'A' is doing something questionable, so therefore obviously I am perfectly right in doing something of comparable questionableness myself!" Tell me again when is that ever an acceptable argument? Would it sound acceptable to you if I said, "Well, the NSA is apparently spying on whoever they please, so that means it is okay if I break into my neighbor's apartment, bug their phone, and set up hidden cameras!" I suspect not. (And if you do think it would be fine for me to do that, I would worry about those close to you.)Rated X wrote:Not sure if youve ever been to a fleamarket where the figures formerly owned by little kids end up. Its a parts graveyard. An arm here, a torso there missing a head.
So now you're equating buying used toys with what one should be able to expect new at retail? If I go to a flea market, and I find parts, I know what I'm buying. If I go to Toys 'Я' Us and buy a toy off a shelf, expecting one thing and finding another when I get the box open, then not cool.Rated X wrote:Ive had to swap out defective or broken hasbro parts many times and I switch out the parts with the most perfect paint apps as reimbursement for my gas and wasted time. I havent done head swap with different figures before.
I'm confused here. Are you still talking about flea markets, or are you back to original retail?
If someone has to swap out a broken part or something on a new toy they just bought, then if they did so with the knowledge of the store's staff ("I bought this toy here, and this part is broken/missing. Can I swap it out with this part from the same toy off of your shelf?") then that is perfectly acceptable, and if the resulting product the store is left with ends up back on their shelf, that is the store being a douche, not the customer.
If, on the other hand, this hypothetical person is going into a store, and doing one of these:
-buying multiple versions of the same mold, swapping parts around to get one figure they like, and returning the rest
-buying a new version of a toy they already have an old version of with a broken part, to replace the part and return the "new" toy with the broken part
-buying a new version of a toy they already have, where they like the new one better, throwing the old toy into the box and returning it
...then that person is a douche.Rated X wrote:But if the toy shelves are overflowing with AOE toys like they always are during movie season, I wouldnt feel bad.
So... a store's sub-par purchasing decision is an expectable reason to cause potential harm to that store's other customers?Rated X wrote:I never claimed to be the most ethical person in the world. My momma didnt raise no boy scout...
That much is obvious from this discussion. Me, on the other hand:
Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm just wondering what condition that classic Prime mold is in, I'm expecting much looseness.
I love this comment from people. After 30 uses of the Classics Starscream mold, I think we should be able to finally move away from this thought process about molds degrading after time. Those molds are amazing and they will last the test of time. The only question should really be whether or not the original mold was made of "sturdy stuff" or made from a lesser material that gives way after time.
Rated X wrote:Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:So basically you can get the Evasion mode Prime with chrome, and a faceplate, in the two pack with Grimlock
OR
Evasion mode Prime without chrome, closer G1 robot mode, with flames, and a faceplate with the 6th or 7th domestic release of the Classic Prime mold, with chrome. Don't know about you but I'm having a hard time figuring out which set I want.
I feel like the confusion about which product you prefer is part of the business strategy with all of these repaints. Somewhere in these, if you mix and match parts, is the perfect versions of each of these molds. Curious to see what people come up with.
Thats exactly what people are gonna do...mix and match parts. Theyre gonna buy both sets, Frankenstein the perfect Prime, and then return the crap bot to the store for some little kid to buy and never even notice. Personally I wouldnt blame them for doing it.
Wolfman Jake wrote:Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm just wondering what condition that classic Prime mold is in, I'm expecting much looseness.
I love this comment from people. After 30 uses of the Classics Starscream mold, I think we should be able to finally move away from this thought process about molds degrading after time. Those molds are amazing and they will last the test of time. The only question should really be whether or not the original mold was made of "sturdy stuff" or made from a lesser material that gives way after time.
Scopes really needs to do an article on "toy mold degradation." This isn't 1984, people. Molds can be remade again and again. You can machine the parts you need from information stored on a computer to recreate a mold. Variation in print runs of any mold comes down to differences in quality control for that particular printing.
noctorro wrote:Rated X wrote:Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:So basically you can get the Evasion mode Prime with chrome, and a faceplate, in the two pack with Grimlock
OR
Evasion mode Prime without chrome, closer G1 robot mode, with flames, and a faceplate with the 6th or 7th domestic release of the Classic Prime mold, with chrome. Don't know about you but I'm having a hard time figuring out which set I want.
I feel like the confusion about which product you prefer is part of the business strategy with all of these repaints. Somewhere in these, if you mix and match parts, is the perfect versions of each of these molds. Curious to see what people come up with.
Thats exactly what people are gonna do...mix and match parts. Theyre gonna buy both sets, Frankenstein the perfect Prime, and then return the crap bot to the store for some little kid to buy and never even notice. Personally I wouldnt blame them for doing it.
What kind of nonsense is this? In what world do you people live in?
One can never return a product to a store if it was opened in my country.
I can't believe a store has some sort of fruitcake policies.
If I buy something in the store, It is new unopened. It is totally unacceptable if someone else opened it and then returned it.
noctorro wrote:Rated X wrote:Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:So basically you can get the Evasion mode Prime with chrome, and a faceplate, in the two pack with Grimlock
OR
Evasion mode Prime without chrome, closer G1 robot mode, with flames, and a faceplate with the 6th or 7th domestic release of the Classic Prime mold, with chrome. Don't know about you but I'm having a hard time figuring out which set I want.
I feel like the confusion about which product you prefer is part of the business strategy with all of these repaints. Somewhere in these, if you mix and match parts, is the perfect versions of each of these molds. Curious to see what people come up with.
Thats exactly what people are gonna do...mix and match parts. Theyre gonna buy both sets, Frankenstein the perfect Prime, and then return the crap bot to the store for some little kid to buy and never even notice. Personally I wouldnt blame them for doing it.
What kind of nonsense is this? In what world do you people live in?
One can never return a product to a store if it was opened in my country.
I can't believe a store has some sort of fruitcake policies.
If I buy something in the store, It is new unopened. It is totally unacceptable if someone else opened it and then returned it.
noctorro wrote:Rated X wrote:Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:So basically you can get the Evasion mode Prime with chrome, and a faceplate, in the two pack with Grimlock
OR
Evasion mode Prime without chrome, closer G1 robot mode, with flames, and a faceplate with the 6th or 7th domestic release of the Classic Prime mold, with chrome. Don't know about you but I'm having a hard time figuring out which set I want.
I feel like the confusion about which product you prefer is part of the business strategy with all of these repaints. Somewhere in these, if you mix and match parts, is the perfect versions of each of these molds. Curious to see what people come up with.
Thats exactly what people are gonna do...mix and match parts. Theyre gonna buy both sets, Frankenstein the perfect Prime, and then return the crap bot to the store for some little kid to buy and never even notice. Personally I wouldnt blame them for doing it.
What kind of nonsense is this? In what world do you people live in?
One can never return a product to a store if it was opened in my country.
I can't believe a store has some sort of fruitcake policies.
If I buy something in the store, It is new unopened. It is totally unacceptable if someone else opened it and then returned it.
Rated X wrote:noctorro wrote:Rated X wrote:Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:So basically you can get the Evasion mode Prime with chrome, and a faceplate, in the two pack with Grimlock
OR
Evasion mode Prime without chrome, closer G1 robot mode, with flames, and a faceplate with the 6th or 7th domestic release of the Classic Prime mold, with chrome. Don't know about you but I'm having a hard time figuring out which set I want.
I feel like the confusion about which product you prefer is part of the business strategy with all of these repaints. Somewhere in these, if you mix and match parts, is the perfect versions of each of these molds. Curious to see what people come up with.
Thats exactly what people are gonna do...mix and match parts. Theyre gonna buy both sets, Frankenstein the perfect Prime, and then return the crap bot to the store for some little kid to buy and never even notice. Personally I wouldnt blame them for doing it.
What kind of nonsense is this? In what world do you people live in?
One can never return a product to a store if it was opened in my country.
I can't believe a store has some sort of fruitcake policies.
If I buy something in the store, It is new unopened. It is totally unacceptable if someone else opened it and then returned it.
Ever heard of Walmart ? So you are saying that in your country, if you buy something, open it and find it broken, youre stuck with it ? What kind of country do you live in ?
Rated X wrote:Posting from a cellphone here so I cant do all the cut and paste stuff. Let me try to answer your questions. I know 2 wrongs dont make a right but it is what it is. If hasbro pulls a dick move thats not in the collectors favor, they have to remember collectors can be dicks too.
Rated X wrote:On fleamarkets and parts graveyards, i was suggesting where a majority of little kids toys end up anyways, so I flat out dont feel guilty for toddlers who get a not so perfect figure.
Rated X wrote:As I stated before, I have never swapped parts out from different figures, only identical ones. And I dont go to a different store as your cartoon suggests, I go right back to the same store and tell them this figure came broken.
Rated X wrote:On the boy scout thing, ive read your sig before. I dont want to go off topic, but they havent always had the most ethical standards either. I salute their decision to end a certain type of discrimination. Hats off to them for finally doing the ethical thing
MasterPrime007 wrote:I wonder if I am the only one who thinks Majority of the AOE toys are extremely cheap looking? I picked up Evasion mode Prime, Leader Prime, and Voyager Grimlock. I am debating on getting Leader Grimlock, but after un-boxing Leader Prime and seeing how phoned in the toy was produced and sold for $45 I feel let down.
These Toys are a huge departure from the three previous movie figures.
Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm just wondering what condition that classic Prime mold is in, I'm expecting much looseness.
I love this comment from people. After 30 uses of the Classics Starscream mold, I think we should be able to finally move away from this thought process about molds degrading after time. Those molds are amazing and they will last the test of time. The only question should really be whether or not the original mold was made of "sturdy stuff" or made from a lesser material that gives way after time.
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There are atandarfs to maintain.
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-Kanrabat- wrote:MasterPrime007 wrote:I wonder if I am the only one who thinks Majority of the AOE toys are extremely cheap looking? I picked up Evasion mode Prime, Leader Prime, and Voyager Grimlock. I am debating on getting Leader Grimlock, but after un-boxing Leader Prime and seeing how phoned in the toy was produced and sold for $45 I feel let down.
These Toys are a huge departure from the three previous movie figures.
Oh? Strange because I think the exact opposite. So far, I have AOE Leader Optimus, Voyager Grimlock, and Evasion Optimus Prime, plus deluxe Scorn and Snarl. All of them don't feel hollow nor cheap at all. They are full of paint aps, the toys feel solid and not brittle. Furthermore, Leader Optimus Prime feel more like a premium Takara toy than a Hasbro one. Sure, CAN60$ + taxes was expensive, but the thing feel very high quality, with the chrome in the right places and is full to the gills of paint aps. Also, them RUBBER TIRES.
Seriously, AoE toys are light years ahead of Generations FoC and RiD PRime, where toys were hollow with very, very thin plastics.
I'm really looking forward the rest of the main line. Especially the other dinobots and the other voyagers.
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I should've waited a little longer for Classics Prime... the fifty bucks I paid for him could've gone for this, a slightly superior deco (not crazy about the chrome, though), and the addition of another figure that I am sorta interested in.
Damn you, Fates!
-Kanrabat- wrote:MasterPrime007 wrote:I wonder if I am the only one who thinks Majority of the AOE toys are extremely cheap looking? I picked up Evasion mode Prime, Leader Prime, and Voyager Grimlock. I am debating on getting Leader Grimlock, but after un-boxing Leader Prime and seeing how phoned in the toy was produced and sold for $45 I feel let down.
These Toys are a huge departure from the three previous movie figures.
Oh? Strange because I think the exact opposite. So far, I have AOE Leader Optimus, Voyager Grimlock, and Evasion Optimus Prime, plus deluxe Scorn and Snarl. All of them don't feel hollow nor cheap at all. They are full of paint aps, the toys feel solid and not brittle. Furthermore, Leader Optimus Prime feel more like a premium Takara toy than a Hasbro one. Sure, CAN60$ + taxes was expensive, but the thing feel very high quality, with the chrome in the right places and is full to the gills of paint aps. Also, them RUBBER TIRES.
Seriously, AoE toys are light years ahead of Generations FoC and RiD PRime, where toys were hollow with very, very thin plastics.
I'm really looking forward the rest of the main line. Especially the other dinobots and the other voyagers.
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