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Postby Black Hat » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:28 pm

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Speaking of Hasbro movies, it's a shame G.I. Joe is basically dead because even as someone who honestly never grew up with it, I wouldn't mind a proper G.I. Joe movie that took advantage of just how silly the whole thing was. So no attempts to make it too "cool" or "edgy" or whatever; by all means modernize some of the designs so they look good on screen, but aim for that absolutely ridiculous 80s cheese charm. Everyone has laser rifles, Cobra are completely incompetent, Cobra Commander is a screeching lunatic (get Scott McNeil to play him!), etc etc. Don't be mean spirited towards the source material, but give it an affectionate parody. So not "G.I. Joe is sacrosanct and must be treated as a serious work of art" but not "The original sucked, let's insult it and the people that grew up with it" either. More "G.i. Joe was ludicrous, and that's why we love it". And for the love of god, keep political/social virtue signalling out of it.
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Rated X wrote:Some far fetched things are just not as cool as others when it comes to live action movies. I dont see any Gobots live action movies coming our way either...
In the specific case of GoBots, it's because that really can't happen since it's a dead franchise whose ownership rights have been split across three different companies, two of which are even rival competitor companies.


In the case of the (cough cough) offical Machine Robo figures, I would be inclined to believe money talks. Maybe certain characters or even the name "Gobots" might not be able to be used. But something can easily be done to circumvent the legal woes. But the interest just isnt there. Gobots will always be seen as wanna-be Transformers in America. They were back then and they would be now if a film came out. The only time I can think of that 2 competing franchises equally held their own in popularity was Mortal Kombat vs. Street Fighter.
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Postby Rated X » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:58 pm

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Black Hat wrote:Speaking of Hasbro movies, it's a shame G.I. Joe is basically dead because even as someone who honestly never grew up with it, I wouldn't mind a proper G.I. Joe movie that took advantage of just how silly the whole thing was. So no attempts to make it too "cool" or "edgy" or whatever; by all means modernize some of the designs so they look good on screen, but aim for that absolutely ridiculous 80s cheese charm. Everyone has laser rifles, Cobra are completely incompetent, Cobra Commander is a screeching lunatic (get Scott McNeil to play him!), etc etc. Don't be mean spirited towards the source material, but give it an affectionate parody. So not "G.I. Joe is sacrosanct and must be treated as a serious work of art" but not "The original sucked, let's insult it and the people that grew up with it" either. More "G.i. Joe was ludicrous, and that's why we love it". And for the love of god, keep political/social virtue signalling out of it.

Thats what cartoons are for. The moment you use live actors and have them be "less cool" you just have a parody. But I would be all for a CHUG version of GI Joe being put into a cartoon form. And not CGI. The same for Transformers. New stories with old characters with their original personalities.
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Re: Paramount and Hasbro Shared Cinematic Universe Writers Room: Brian K Vaughan, Nicole Perlman & More

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Rated X wrote:Some far fetched things are just not as cool as others when it comes to live action movies. I dont see any Gobots live action movies coming our way either...
In the specific case of GoBots, it's because that really can't happen since it's a dead franchise whose ownership rights have been split across three different companies, two of which are even rival competitor companies.


In the case of the (cough cough) offical Machine Robo figures, I would be inclined to believe money talks.
That's all done on Bandai's end. Machine Robo is considered a separate brand from GoBots much like how both the original and currently new Diaclone lines are separate from Transformers. Bandai owns everything Machine Robo, while Warner Bros. owns the GoBots cartoon and Hasbro owns the GoBots intellectual property.

Rated X wrote:Maybe certain characters or even the name "Gobots" might not be able to be used. But something can easily be done to circumvent the legal woes.
Bandai can allow Action Toys to do anything with their new Machine Robo toys as long as they're sold as Machine Robo and not GoBots since Bandai doesn't own the GoBots IP.

Rated X wrote:But the interest just isnt there. Gobots will always be seen as wanna-be Transformers in America. They were back then and they would be now if a film came out. The only time I can think of that 2 competing franchises equally held their own in popularity was Mortal Kombat vs. Street Fighter.
Indeed. Transformers was the stronger of the two back then, marketed better and handled better between its two parent companies (Hasbro and Takara) overall. And nowadays, GoBots has the infamous reputation of having been unanimously lame even though it was only a slightly, rather than a significantly, weaker series than the Transformers.
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I think its the right call, neither movie would do well in the current market. MASK is to over the top & to 80s, its best left in the world of animation & comics where it works well. Rom on the other hand i think could be a good movie if done right, only thing is people would call it a transformers rip off so that would hurt it. Better to put it on the back burner and do it at a later time, once transformers has fizzled out of memory for a bit.
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Re: Paramount and Hasbro Shared Cinematic Universe Writers Room: Brian K Vaughan, Nicole Perlman & More

Postby Black Hat » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:05 pm

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Black Hat wrote:Speaking of Hasbro movies, it's a shame G.I. Joe is basically dead because even as someone who honestly never grew up with it, I wouldn't mind a proper G.I. Joe movie that took advantage of just how silly the whole thing was. So no attempts to make it too "cool" or "edgy" or whatever; by all means modernize some of the designs so they look good on screen, but aim for that absolutely ridiculous 80s cheese charm. Everyone has laser rifles, Cobra are completely incompetent, Cobra Commander is a screeching lunatic (get Scott McNeil to play him!), etc etc. Don't be mean spirited towards the source material, but give it an affectionate parody. So not "G.I. Joe is sacrosanct and must be treated as a serious work of art" but not "The original sucked, let's insult it and the people that grew up with it" either. More "G.i. Joe was ludicrous, and that's why we love it". And for the love of god, keep political/social virtue signalling out of it.

Thats what cartoons are for. The moment you use live actors and have them be "less cool" you just have a parody.

Dude, it's hard to get less cool than the 80s G.I. Joe or Transformers cartoons. Not to say they're unwatchable, but they aren't good. They're fun because they're so, so silly.
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Re: Paramount and Hasbro Shared Cinematic Universe Writers Room: Brian K Vaughan, Nicole Perlman & More

Postby hausjam » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:01 pm

I could see MASK spinning off of Transformers really well. I envision Tucci’s character taking Transformium (or whatever he called it) and using it to make clandestine vehicles for Lennox’s unit and coming up with some outlandish name like Mobile Armored Strike Kommand because he’s an outlandish genius. It could work. And it would be nice to put the Transformers themselves on hold for a few years.
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Re: Paramount and Hasbro Shared Cinematic Universe Writers Room: Brian K Vaughan, Nicole Perlman & More

Postby hausjam » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:03 pm

Black Hat wrote:
Rated X wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Speaking of Hasbro movies, it's a shame G.I. Joe is basically dead because even as someone who honestly never grew up with it, I wouldn't mind a proper G.I. Joe movie that took advantage of just how silly the whole thing was. So no attempts to make it too "cool" or "edgy" or whatever; by all means modernize some of the designs so they look good on screen, but aim for that absolutely ridiculous 80s cheese charm. Everyone has laser rifles, Cobra are completely incompetent, Cobra Commander is a screeching lunatic (get Scott McNeil to play him!), etc etc. Don't be mean spirited towards the source material, but give it an affectionate parody. So not "G.I. Joe is sacrosanct and must be treated as a serious work of art" but not "The original sucked, let's insult it and the people that grew up with it" either. More "G.i. Joe was ludicrous, and that's why we love it". And for the love of god, keep political/social virtue signalling out of it.

Thats what cartoons are for. The moment you use live actors and have them be "less cool" you just have a parody.

Dude, it's hard to get less cool than the 80s G.I. Joe or Transformers cartoons. Not to say they're unwatchable, but they aren't good. They're fun because they're so, so silly.


Why do you people who think Transformers are so uncool spend time posting on a Transformers site. Go the F away.
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Re: Paramount and Hasbro Shared Cinematic Universe Writers Room: Brian K Vaughan, Nicole Perlman & More

Postby Black Hat » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:48 pm

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Black Hat wrote:
Rated X wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Speaking of Hasbro movies, it's a shame G.I. Joe is basically dead because even as someone who honestly never grew up with it, I wouldn't mind a proper G.I. Joe movie that took advantage of just how silly the whole thing was. So no attempts to make it too "cool" or "edgy" or whatever; by all means modernize some of the designs so they look good on screen, but aim for that absolutely ridiculous 80s cheese charm. Everyone has laser rifles, Cobra are completely incompetent, Cobra Commander is a screeching lunatic (get Scott McNeil to play him!), etc etc. Don't be mean spirited towards the source material, but give it an affectionate parody. So not "G.I. Joe is sacrosanct and must be treated as a serious work of art" but not "The original sucked, let's insult it and the people that grew up with it" either. More "G.i. Joe was ludicrous, and that's why we love it". And for the love of god, keep political/social virtue signalling out of it.

Thats what cartoons are for. The moment you use live actors and have them be "less cool" you just have a parody.

Dude, it's hard to get less cool than the 80s G.I. Joe or Transformers cartoons. Not to say they're unwatchable, but they aren't good. They're fun because they're so, so silly.


Why do you people who think Transformers are so uncool spend time posting on a Transformers site. Go the F away.

Hey, I LIKE Transformers. I just think G1 is very, very silly. Not bad, just...silly. And certainly not worth taking overly seriously.

Lighten up a bit.
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Postby Rated X » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:46 pm

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Rated X wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Speaking of Hasbro movies, it's a shame G.I. Joe is basically dead because even as someone who honestly never grew up with it, I wouldn't mind a proper G.I. Joe movie that took advantage of just how silly the whole thing was. So no attempts to make it too "cool" or "edgy" or whatever; by all means modernize some of the designs so they look good on screen, but aim for that absolutely ridiculous 80s cheese charm. Everyone has laser rifles, Cobra are completely incompetent, Cobra Commander is a screeching lunatic (get Scott McNeil to play him!), etc etc. Don't be mean spirited towards the source material, but give it an affectionate parody. So not "G.I. Joe is sacrosanct and must be treated as a serious work of art" but not "The original sucked, let's insult it and the people that grew up with it" either. More "G.i. Joe was ludicrous, and that's why we love it". And for the love of god, keep political/social virtue signalling out of it.

Thats what cartoons are for. The moment you use live actors and have them be "less cool" you just have a parody.

Dude, it's hard to get less cool than the 80s G.I. Joe or Transformers cartoons. Not to say they're unwatchable, but they aren't good. They're fun because they're so, so silly.

I was 8 years old in 1984 when those cartoons came out. So I feel I was like the perfect age for them....not too old, not too young. With that being said, I can admit there was a certain amount of silliness in those cartoons. But that silliness is from an adult perspective looking back at them now. Believe me, there were cartoons that came on before GI Joe/Transformers (usually played back to back) that were more silly and meant for 5 year olds. And those more silly cartoons made GI Joe/Transformers cartoons seem pretty serious to an average 8 year old. Especially in 1986 when characters actually got killed in the cartoons. (Or mortally wounded like Duke in GI Joe) Also some episodes in Transformers had a very adult message. Go watch a particular episode called "The Gods Gambit". In a nutshell, it basically alleged that gods are fictional characters used to levi taxes on a gullable population by its leaders. And then the Transformers arrive and the Decepticons conspire with the leaders pretend to be the gods. Meanwhile the Autobots try to convince the general public that gods are fake and they are really aliens. So basically youve got the entire premise of the show "Ancient Aliens" 25 years before it premiered. Try putting that topic in a kids cartoon today. I guarentee it wouldn't make it on the air.
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Postby Rated X » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:57 pm

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Rated X wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rated X wrote:Some far fetched things are just not as cool as others when it comes to live action movies. I dont see any Gobots live action movies coming our way either...
In the specific case of GoBots, it's because that really can't happen since it's a dead franchise whose ownership rights have been split across three different companies, two of which are even rival competitor companies.


In the case of the (cough cough) offical Machine Robo figures, I would be inclined to believe money talks.
That's all done on Bandai's end. Machine Robo is considered a separate brand from GoBots much like how both the original and currently new Diaclone lines are separate from Transformers. Bandai owns everything Machine Robo, while Warner Bros. owns the GoBots cartoon and Hasbro owns the GoBots intellectual property.

Rated X wrote:Maybe certain characters or even the name "Gobots" might not be able to be used. But something can easily be done to circumvent the legal woes.
Bandai can allow Action Toys to do anything with their new Machine Robo toys as long as they're sold as Machine Robo and not GoBots since Bandai doesn't own the GoBots IP.

Rated X wrote:But the interest just isnt there. Gobots will always be seen as wanna-be Transformers in America. They were back then and they would be now if a film came out. The only time I can think of that 2 competing franchises equally held their own in popularity was Mortal Kombat vs. Street Fighter.
Indeed. Transformers was the stronger of the two back then, marketed better and handled better between its two parent companies (Hasbro and Takara) overall. And nowadays, GoBots has the infamous reputation of having been unanimously lame even though it was only a slightly, rather than a significantly, weaker series than the Transformers.


Well with all that being said, they could do a "Machine Robo" movie with Bandai's blessing. Of course it would be better off for an Asian market. And if Hasbro wanted to make it a live action movie, they probably wouldnt need to have Warner Bros. blessing as long as its an original story free of cartoon references. The legal stuff could be worked out. If only the cool factor was there...lol
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Postby Black Hat » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:08 pm

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Black Hat wrote:
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Black Hat wrote:Speaking of Hasbro movies, it's a shame G.I. Joe is basically dead because even as someone who honestly never grew up with it, I wouldn't mind a proper G.I. Joe movie that took advantage of just how silly the whole thing was. So no attempts to make it too "cool" or "edgy" or whatever; by all means modernize some of the designs so they look good on screen, but aim for that absolutely ridiculous 80s cheese charm. Everyone has laser rifles, Cobra are completely incompetent, Cobra Commander is a screeching lunatic (get Scott McNeil to play him!), etc etc. Don't be mean spirited towards the source material, but give it an affectionate parody. So not "G.I. Joe is sacrosanct and must be treated as a serious work of art" but not "The original sucked, let's insult it and the people that grew up with it" either. More "G.i. Joe was ludicrous, and that's why we love it". And for the love of god, keep political/social virtue signalling out of it.

Thats what cartoons are for. The moment you use live actors and have them be "less cool" you just have a parody.

Dude, it's hard to get less cool than the 80s G.I. Joe or Transformers cartoons. Not to say they're unwatchable, but they aren't good. They're fun because they're so, so silly.

I was 8 years old in 1984 when those cartoons came out. So I feel I was like the perfect age for them....not too old, not too young. With that being said, I can admit there was a certain amount of silliness in those cartoons. But that silliness is from an adult perspective looking back at them now.
Well of course. But "I enjoyed it as a kid" =/= "It is objectively good". I've been watching through G1 (last ep I watched was Hoist goes Hollywood) and some of the episodes are so, so bad. Enjoyable, but still bad. Not to say kids' cartoons can't be good (look at Beast Wars or Animated) but G1, as much as I love it, was ludicrous.
Believe me, there were cartoons that came on before GI Joe/Transformers (usually played back to back) that were more silly and meant for 5 year olds. And those more silly cartoons made GI Joe/Transformers cartoons seem pretty serious to an average 8 year old.

Again. To an 8 year old, maybe. But we aren't 8 anymore. I'm 21 and you're 42. If you tried making a Transformers movie that was just like an episode of G1, and it took itself completely seriously, it'd tank. If you're going to make a live-action movie of something as silly as Transformers or G.I. Joe, you have two options.
1: Remake it from the ground up with a completely different tone and very little resemblance to the original show.
2: Keep the tone of the original but don't take yourself too seriously.
Especially in 1986 when characters actually got killed in the cartoons. (Or mortally wounded like Duke in GI Joe)

You mean "Got killed off to make room for new toys, which almost never happened again after the insane backlash"? I mean, dude, I like the 86 movie a whole lot, but it's still not a serious work of art. It was still, at the end of the day, a kinda shallow attempt to sell toys, albeit one with pretty awesome music and animation.
Also some episodes in Transformers had a very adult message. Go watch a particular episode called "The Gods Gambit". In a nutshell, it basically alleged that gods are fictional characters used to levi taxes on a gullable population by its leaders. And then the Transformers arrive and the Decepticons conspire with the leaders pretend to be the gods. Meanwhile the Autobots try to convince the general public that gods are fake and they are really aliens. So basically youve got the entire premise of the show "Ancient Aliens" 25 years before it premiered. Try putting that topic in a kids cartoon today. I guarentee it wouldn't make it on the air.

I've watched The God Gambit. Even with the (admittedly interesting, if ham-fisted) message, it was still very, very daft, not to mention horrendously animated. Serious social commentary it ain't. And it was probably one of the only episodes that tried doing anything even remotely different- the rest of the series (ESPECIALLY season 2, the one everyone remembers) is pretty much 100% cheese (whilst God Gambit was 95%). As for "It wouldn't air today", I wasn't aware you were a TV executive with insider knowledge.

See, here's the thing. I like G1, G1 is funny and it has some fun characters. But if you want to make a serious, non-comedic live action movie based on the premise of robots that turn into vehicles, you're going to have to make some changes. You can't just do the G1 cartoon again. The only reason the franchise has survived as long as it has is because it's continually re-invented itself to appeal to different demographics over time. If they'd just tried to do G1 forever and ever it would be dead and buried. In fact, I'd argue that if it weren't for Beast Wars, which not only completely reinvented the story but also dramatically improved it, the Transformers fandom would not exist. It'd just be another 80s cartoon everyone forgot about. The munky saved the trukk.

Not to say we should throw away G1 altogether of course, that would be silly. But believing it to be sacrosanct and any form of deviation from it to be heresy is just stupid. If you wanna watch G1, hey, you can. But that doesn't mean that we should never try anything new with the brand ever again.
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Re: Paramount and Hasbro Shared Cinematic Universe Writers Room: Brian K Vaughan, Nicole Perlman & More

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Rated X wrote:
Black Hat wrote:
Rated X wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Speaking of Hasbro movies, it's a shame G.I. Joe is basically dead because even as someone who honestly never grew up with it, I wouldn't mind a proper G.I. Joe movie that took advantage of just how silly the whole thing was. So no attempts to make it too "cool" or "edgy" or whatever; by all means modernize some of the designs so they look good on screen, but aim for that absolutely ridiculous 80s cheese charm. Everyone has laser rifles, Cobra are completely incompetent, Cobra Commander is a screeching lunatic (get Scott McNeil to play him!), etc etc. Don't be mean spirited towards the source material, but give it an affectionate parody. So not "G.I. Joe is sacrosanct and must be treated as a serious work of art" but not "The original sucked, let's insult it and the people that grew up with it" either. More "G.i. Joe was ludicrous, and that's why we love it". And for the love of god, keep political/social virtue signalling out of it.

Thats what cartoons are for. The moment you use live actors and have them be "less cool" you just have a parody.

Dude, it's hard to get less cool than the 80s G.I. Joe or Transformers cartoons. Not to say they're unwatchable, but they aren't good. They're fun because they're so, so silly.

I was 8 years old in 1984 when those cartoons came out. So I feel I was like the perfect age for them....not too old, not too young. With that being said, I can admit there was a certain amount of silliness in those cartoons. But that silliness is from an adult perspective looking back at them now.
Well of course. But "I enjoyed it as a kid" =/= "It is objectively good". I've been watching through G1 (last ep I watched was Hoist goes Hollywood) and some of the episodes are so, so bad. Enjoyable, but still bad. Not to say kids' cartoons can't be good (look at Beast Wars or Animated) but G1, as much as I love it, was ludicrous.
Believe me, there were cartoons that came on before GI Joe/Transformers (usually played back to back) that were more silly and meant for 5 year olds. And those more silly cartoons made GI Joe/Transformers cartoons seem pretty serious to an average 8 year old.

Again. To an 8 year old, maybe. But we aren't 8 anymore. I'm 21 and you're 42. If you tried making a Transformers movie that was just like an episode of G1, and it took itself completely seriously, it'd tank. If you're going to make a live-action movie of something as silly as Transformers or G.I. Joe, you have two options.
1: Remake it from the ground up with a completely different tone and very little resemblance to the original show.
2: Keep the tone of the original but don't take yourself too seriously.
Especially in 1986 when characters actually got killed in the cartoons. (Or mortally wounded like Duke in GI Joe)

You mean "Got killed off to make room for new toys, which almost never happened again after the insane backlash"? I mean, dude, I like the 86 movie a whole lot, but it's still not a serious work of art. It was still, at the end of the day, a kinda shallow attempt to sell toys, albeit one with pretty awesome music and animation.
Also some episodes in Transformers had a very adult message. Go watch a particular episode called "The Gods Gambit". In a nutshell, it basically alleged that gods are fictional characters used to levi taxes on a gullable population by its leaders. And then the Transformers arrive and the Decepticons conspire with the leaders pretend to be the gods. Meanwhile the Autobots try to convince the general public that gods are fake and they are really aliens. So basically youve got the entire premise of the show "Ancient Aliens" 25 years before it premiered. Try putting that topic in a kids cartoon today. I guarentee it wouldn't make it on the air.

I've watched The God Gambit. Even with the (admittedly interesting, if ham-fisted) message, it was still very, very daft, not to mention horrendously animated. Serious social commentary it ain't. And it was probably one of the only episodes that tried doing anything even remotely different- the rest of the series (ESPECIALLY season 2, the one everyone remembers) is pretty much 100% cheese (whilst God Gambit was 95%). As for "It wouldn't air today", I wasn't aware you were a TV executive with insider knowledge.

See, here's the thing. I like G1, G1 is funny and it has some fun characters. But if you want to make a serious, non-comedic live action movie based on the premise of robots that turn into vehicles, you're going to have to make some changes. You can't just do the G1 cartoon again. The only reason the franchise has survived as long as it has is because it's continually re-invented itself to appeal to different demographics over time. If they'd just tried to do G1 forever and ever it would be dead and buried. In fact, I'd argue that if it weren't for Beast Wars, which not only completely reinvented the story but also dramatically improved it, the Transformers fandom would not exist. It'd just be another 80s cartoon everyone forgot about. The munky saved the trukk.

Not to say we should throw away G1 altogether of course, that would be silly. But believing it to be sacrosanct and any form of deviation from it to be heresy is just stupid. If you wanna watch G1, hey, you can. But that doesn't mean that we should never try anything new with the brand ever again.


Man I just turned 41, dont call me 42 lol !

Well I personally think the G1 silliness was more because the cartoon was so 80s. Almost like me watching some Rocketeer type stuff from the 50s and calling it silly. Silly for me yes, but the dream of man in space was oh so serious in the 1950s and srarted the cold war over a monkey in space.

On your two movie options:

Youre first option is basically what Michael bay did. And theres no dispute all 5 films had their silly moments to appeal to kids or men. Youre second option is a bit harder to pull off because whats silly in a cartoon would probably translate to stupid with live actors. (At least in my opinion)

As far as the corporate reason for killing off characters, it is what it is. I didnt know that as a kid. And I dont doubt some kids were heartbroken even though it didnt hit me hard like that. I actually thought it was silly that they all shot at each other and nobody ever got killed. But then again how many times can waspinator get blown to bits or squashed and be back in one piece the next episode. So dont praise Beast Wars for being better on the basis of being less silly. Beast Wars had its moments, and rubber duckies. What I do believe is that a G1 movie or series can be successful if it is done to mirror fiction similar to IDW comics. But half of those stories didnt even have humans in it so it would basically be a CGI movie with human voice actors. That might be really cool considering how much hate the humans get in every other Transformers series and movie.

Im no TV executive with insider knowledge but I am a 41 year old who has seen America change over the last 30 years. Specifically on the topic of religion. The subject on what and what not to teach kids about religon has been an ongoing debate. 30 years ago a bunch of athiests could get away with putting a secret message in a cartoon. Now a days it would draw protest from parents that live in more conservative regions of the country. From there you get into politics and you know the rest. Im under the impression you dont have to deal with that as much in Canada. If yes, you are lucky.
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Re: Paramount and Hasbro Shared Cinematic Universe Writers Room: Brian K Vaughan, Nicole Perlman & More

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Re: Paramount and Hasbro Shared Cinematic Universe Writers Room: Brian K Vaughan, Nicole Perlman & More

Postby Rodimus Knight » Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:19 pm

Black Hat wrote:Speaking of Hasbro movies, it's a shame G.I. Joe is basically dead because even as someone who honestly never grew up with it, I wouldn't mind a proper G.I. Joe movie that took advantage of just how silly the whole thing was. So no attempts to make it too "cool" or "edgy" or whatever; by all means modernize some of the designs so they look good on screen, but aim for that absolutely ridiculous 80s cheese charm. Everyone has laser rifles, Cobra are completely incompetent, Cobra Commander is a screeching lunatic (get Scott McNeil to play him!), etc etc. Don't be mean spirited towards the source material, but give it an affectionate parody. So not "G.I. Joe is sacrosanct and must be treated as a serious work of art" but not "The original sucked, let's insult it and the people that grew up with it" either. More "G.i. Joe was ludicrous, and that's why we love it". And for the love of god, keep political/social virtue signalling out of it.



I've been re-watching GI Joe from the beginning, and Honestly Cobra isn't as incompetent as I originally believed over the years. In way to many cases GI Joe came out on top, because of some ridiculous circumstances and amazing coincidences lining up. Cobra Commander did become more incompetent along the way, true, but if you watch the first couple of mini-series especially, Cobra was no joke.

GI Joe did get over the top on some things, but it was fun. That was one of the major things missing in the live action movies. the movies weren't bad as far as action movies, but no, it didn't feel like GI Joe to the people who grew up with it.

Plus they went from GI JOE: A Real American Hero to GI JOE Pawns of the UN.
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