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megatronus wrote:Rated X wrote:mooncake623 wrote:Rated X wrote:Why didn't they make it in scale with Hasbro Grimlock ? It looks ****** being so small because the Dinobots are NOT combiners. Swoop is not a limb that he needs to be smaller. Are they going by the Dinosaur scale instead of the robot mode ? That's dumb. Grimlock's dino mode is so f'n ugly everybody displays him in robot mode (hence the upgrade kits) I suppose Sludge will be twice the size of Grimlock ? What a waste...
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I have never seen this picture as I am not into video games. But I must say I am no fan of this scale choice. This is a case of where the "He's gotta be huge because he's the leader" concept doesn't work. Actually the T-Rex should be the 2nd smallest next to swoop if you go by proper dinosaur scale. And where is Snarl? Why does he always get shafted in TV series and toy lines? FOC dinobots suck. I really hope Toyworld follows up with their teaser they did a while back. If not, I might jump on the fans toys bandwagon because at least their dinosaur modes scalke well with classics. The robot modes proper scale are debatable depending on which G1 cartoon season you watch.
I think it's dubious to complain so mightily about a toy line/design when you're not even into the content it's based on.
william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
Agamemnon, barebacked rider of flying robo-dragon, and not often constipated either...My nephew wrote:Bacon is meat candy.
megatronus wrote:Rated X wrote:mooncake623 wrote:Rated X wrote:Why didn't they make it in scale with Hasbro Grimlock ? It looks ****** being so small because the Dinobots are NOT combiners. Swoop is not a limb that he needs to be smaller. Are they going by the Dinosaur scale instead of the robot mode ? That's dumb. Grimlock's dino mode is so f'n ugly everybody displays him in robot mode (hence the upgrade kits) I suppose Sludge will be twice the size of Grimlock ? What a waste...
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I have never seen this picture as I am not into video games. But I must say I am no fan of this scale choice. This is a case of where the "He's gotta be huge because he's the leader" concept doesn't work. Actually the T-Rex should be the 2nd smallest next to swoop if you go by proper dinosaur scale. And where is Snarl? Why does he always get shafted in TV series and toy lines? FOC dinobots suck. I really hope Toyworld follows up with their teaser they did a while back. If not, I might jump on the fans toys bandwagon because at least their dinosaur modes scalke well with classics. The robot modes proper scale are debatable depending on which G1 cartoon season you watch.
I think it's dubious to complain so mightily about a toy line/design when you're not even into the content it's based on.
Rated X wrote:There are a lot of people who don’t care about the video game and still use the FOC figures for their classics shelf. I’m one of those guys. I call it my “Ancient Cybertron” shelf and mix them with other non-Earth figures like Alpha Trion, Elita One, Orion Pax, Vector Prime, Nova Prime, etc. I have also read on here that some collectors try to pass off the Cybertronian modes as being “neo”. They even make sets for FOC Grimlock to make him look more G1, so obviously there are enough non-gamers out there to invest in.
So as long as I have a use for the figures and am willing to buy some of them, I don’t mind putting my two cents in about them. Somebody puked on Vortex and “gamers” are ok with it. Somebody thought Dinobots would help sell more units so they defied all previous fiction and made Dinosaurs “Cybertronian”. Somebody felt that Omega Supreme’s already Cybertronian Guardian robot mode wasn’t Cybertronian enough so they gave him the curse of the monkey arms.
Rated X wrote:There’s plenty of room for improvement in WFC/FOC from a G1 perspective.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:Rated X wrote:There are a lot of people who don’t care about the video game and still use the FOC figures for their classics shelf. I’m one of those guys. I call it my “Ancient Cybertron” shelf and mix them with other non-Earth figures like Alpha Trion, Elita One, Orion Pax, Vector Prime, Nova Prime, etc. I have also read on here that some collectors try to pass off the Cybertronian modes as being “neo”. They even make sets for FOC Grimlock to make him look more G1, so obviously there are enough non-gamers out there to invest in.
So as long as I have a use for the figures and am willing to buy some of them, I don’t mind putting my two cents in about them. Somebody puked on Vortex and “gamers” are ok with it. Somebody thought Dinobots would help sell more units so they defied all previous fiction and made Dinosaurs “Cybertronian”. Somebody felt that Omega Supreme’s already Cybertronian Guardian robot mode wasn’t Cybertronian enough so they gave him the curse of the monkey arms.
No one said you can't give your 2 cents. I am also one of those folks who integrate my WFC/FOC figures into my Classics collection, so that's 100% valid. Where you lose me, and where I think you're being somewhat unfair, is here:Rated X wrote:There’s plenty of room for improvement in WFC/FOC from a G1 perspective.
You have to consider the WFC/FOC figures on their own terms first. If you just view them through the lens of G1, then you're not really giving them a chance.
The Planet X Swoop is the perfect example - you can choose to not use it in Classics, but you can't criticize it for not being larger, because it was intended to be an FOC toy, and makes perfect sense in that context.
Does that make sense?
william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
Agamemnon, barebacked rider of flying robo-dragon, and not often constipated either...My nephew wrote:Bacon is meat candy.
Agamemnon wrote:I don't want to necessarily speak for others, but I completely agree with Megatronus.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
And in this case, me toomegatronus wrote:Agamemnon wrote:I don't want to necessarily speak for others, but I completely agree with Megatronus.
You can speak for me anytime.
Agamemnon wrote:I think you are missing the point, X.
So, business as usual for X thenAgamemnon wrote:Your rants seem very misplaced.
william-james88 wrote:So that would also be the case for Predaking, who is also six members.
Agamemnon wrote:I think you are missing the point, X. I don't want to necessarily speak for others, but I completely agree with Megatronus.
Arctorro wrote:And in this case, me toomegatronus wrote:Agamemnon wrote:I don't want to necessarily speak for others, but I completely agree with Megatronus.
You can speak for me anytime.![]()
Personally I want a larger Swoop, but understand why this one is this size. Still deciding if I'll keep my pre-order.Agamemnon wrote:I think you are missing the point, X.So, business as usual for X thenAgamemnon wrote:Your rants seem very misplaced.Best thing you can do is ignore his misplaced rants so we don't get another thread with pages of pointless arguing debating. That way there would be the odd post here and there instead of massive derailments that are carbon copies of each other
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X wants what he wants and believes that all companies should cater to that and probably wont ever change that opinion, so maybe ignoring that opinion is the better course.
Rated X wrote:
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Not only does it defy G1, it also defies scientific proportions of dinosaurs. In other words it’s just silly...
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Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
mooncake623 wrote:Rated X wrote:
Words...
Not only does it defy G1, it also defies scientific proportions of dinosaurs. In other words it’s just silly...
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What? so the Pterodactyl should be the same size as the t-rex?
Rated X wrote:mooncake623 wrote:Rated X wrote:
Words...
Not only does it defy G1, it also defies scientific proportions of dinosaurs. In other words it’s just silly...
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What? so the Pterodactyl should be the same size as the t-rex?
Actually, I was referring to the first picture posted of 4 Dinobots where Swoop is bigger than Slag. How is Slag going to be the smallest ? Can you honestly defend that decision by the FOC designers ? Do you want Planet X to design a screen accurate mini me Slag ? Or would you rather them beef him up to G1 proportions ?
mooncake623 wrote:Rated X wrote:mooncake623 wrote:Rated X wrote:
Words...
Not only does it defy G1, it also defies scientific proportions of dinosaurs. In other words it’s just silly...
Words
What? so the Pterodactyl should be the same size as the t-rex?
Actually, I was referring to the first picture posted of 4 Dinobots where Swoop is bigger than Slag. How is Slag going to be the smallest ? Can you honestly defend that decision by the FOC designers ? Do you want Planet X to design a screen accurate mini me Slag ? Or would you rather them beef him up to G1 proportions ?
Oh ok.. that makes your comment more sensible. Not going to defend anything. It is what it is. Just move on and say it's not for you. you'll be less angry in life. =]
william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
Agamemnon, barebacked rider of flying robo-dragon, and not often constipated either...My nephew wrote:Bacon is meat candy.
megatronus wrote:I personally don't think your comments are BS. You often force me to think about how I came to an opinion, which is extremely valuable. Yeah, you tend to get kicked around more than most, but you are definitely an appreciated presence.
But, it feels like you miss the point sometimes - this feeling is compounded when you fail to acknowledge the validity of others' views.
If they were going to "fix" WFC/FOC designs, then they would probably have just done a separate, Classics Swoop. But they're not doing that; they're giving us a WFC/FOC Swoop. Sure, we've developed this concept called Classics or neo or whatever that allows us to accept liberal interpretations of character designs, but that doesn't work for everything. Especially when it seems logical for fans of the video game to want a video game accurate figure. Call me crazy. Plus, Planet X already knows this is a money maker; Genesis did fantastically well, and that was a $360 toy!
As to the WFC/FOC designs themselves, you're free to think they're crap, but I like them a lot. I think a lot of your criticism (outside of size issues) comes from Hasbro's poor toy execution of the designs. High Moon did a great job on the designs themselves, I think, which really comes through in the games.
Also Sludge was killed as part of the FOC backstory, which is why he doesn't have a playable character model.
Banjo-Tron wrote:I agree with mr. X on this one, I mean I don't feel any ire towards planet x but them producing swoop reduces the chance of someone doing a more G1 appropriate figure. Some people will love the FOC aesthetic, some will be fine putting this in their 'classicsverse' collection, all power to them but I will not be doing that. I need something not so at odds stylistically with my other figures. Scale is less of an issue for me than aesthetic.
william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
Agamemnon, barebacked rider of flying robo-dragon, and not often constipated either...My nephew wrote:Bacon is meat candy.
william-james88 wrote:So that would also be the case for Predaking, who is also six members.
Rated X wrote:megatronus wrote:I personally don't think your comments are BS. You often force me to think about how I came to an opinion, which is extremely valuable. Yeah, you tend to get kicked around more than most, but you are definitely an appreciated presence.
But, it feels like you miss the point sometimes - this feeling is compounded when you fail to acknowledge the validity of others' views.
If they were going to "fix" WFC/FOC designs, then they would probably have just done a separate, Classics Swoop. But they're not doing that; they're giving us a WFC/FOC Swoop. Sure, we've developed this concept called Classics or neo or whatever that allows us to accept liberal interpretations of character designs, but that doesn't work for everything. Especially when it seems logical for fans of the video game to want a video game accurate figure. Call me crazy. Plus, Planet X already knows this is a money maker; Genesis did fantastically well, and that was a $360 toy!
As to the WFC/FOC designs themselves, you're free to think they're crap, but I like them a lot. I think a lot of your criticism (outside of size issues) comes from Hasbro's poor toy execution of the designs. High Moon did a great job on the designs themselves, I think, which really comes through in the games.
Also Sludge was killed as part of the FOC backstory, which is why he doesn't have a playable character model.
I appreciate that.![]()
It's no secret I’m not a big FOC fan. I will argue to the end of time that Vortex's puke color was an error. They probably sent Activision a picture of Energon Stormcloud by mistake and they rolled with it. But that’s just my opinion. I guess I’m a little harsh on Planet X because fans have been calling for 3rd party Dinobots way before WFC/FOC ever existed. And when we finally get some, the company wants to do something so niche. It’s kind of a slap in the face to those who have been collecting classics figures for years and want to complete the G1 lineup. (Just my personal opinion as well) I’m sure we’ll see Planet X Shrapnel and Bombshell in the future. I might actually buy those because the Insecticons actually did come from Cybertron. I kind of see WFC/FOC the same way I see Hearts of Steel. It’s a niche continuity that will never get a full line of toys. MMC had plans for HOS Insecticons and I think Megatron too. But they eventually moved on when they realized classics was where the money is at. My guess Planet X will do the same. We will all see how well WFC/FOC sells once the Swoop figure comes out. It might be a hit or it might flop. Then we shall see how many “hardcore” WFC/FOC fans there really are. Genesis is still in stock at BBTS because everyone who wanted one already has one. But the high price might also be a factor that it isn’t selling like it first did. Or of course it could be the Monkey Arms, lol. That’s the only reason I went with YOTS Omega. Only time will tell how Planet X will fare in today’s 3rd party market. More and more companies keep popping up out of the woodwork.
xyl360 wrote:Rated X wrote:megatronus wrote:I personally don't think your comments are BS. You often force me to think about how I came to an opinion, which is extremely valuable. Yeah, you tend to get kicked around more than most, but you are definitely an appreciated presence.
But, it feels like you miss the point sometimes - this feeling is compounded when you fail to acknowledge the validity of others' views.
If they were going to "fix" WFC/FOC designs, then they would probably have just done a separate, Classics Swoop. But they're not doing that; they're giving us a WFC/FOC Swoop. Sure, we've developed this concept called Classics or neo or whatever that allows us to accept liberal interpretations of character designs, but that doesn't work for everything. Especially when it seems logical for fans of the video game to want a video game accurate figure. Call me crazy. Plus, Planet X already knows this is a money maker; Genesis did fantastically well, and that was a $360 toy!
As to the WFC/FOC designs themselves, you're free to think they're crap, but I like them a lot. I think a lot of your criticism (outside of size issues) comes from Hasbro's poor toy execution of the designs. High Moon did a great job on the designs themselves, I think, which really comes through in the games.
Also Sludge was killed as part of the FOC backstory, which is why he doesn't have a playable character model.
I appreciate that.![]()
It's no secret I’m not a big FOC fan. I will argue to the end of time that Vortex's puke color was an error. They probably sent Activision a picture of Energon Stormcloud by mistake and they rolled with it. But that’s just my opinion. I guess I’m a little harsh on Planet X because fans have been calling for 3rd party Dinobots way before WFC/FOC ever existed. And when we finally get some, the company wants to do something so niche. It’s kind of a slap in the face to those who have been collecting classics figures for years and want to complete the G1 lineup. (Just my personal opinion as well) I’m sure we’ll see Planet X Shrapnel and Bombshell in the future. I might actually buy those because the Insecticons actually did come from Cybertron. I kind of see WFC/FOC the same way I see Hearts of Steel. It’s a niche continuity that will never get a full line of toys. MMC had plans for HOS Insecticons and I think Megatron too. But they eventually moved on when they realized classics was where the money is at. My guess Planet X will do the same. We will all see how well WFC/FOC sells once the Swoop figure comes out. It might be a hit or it might flop. Then we shall see how many “hardcore” WFC/FOC fans there really are. Genesis is still in stock at BBTS because everyone who wanted one already has one. But the high price might also be a factor that it isn’t selling like it first did. Or of course it could be the Monkey Arms, lol. That’s the only reason I went with YOTS Omega. Only time will tell how Planet X will fare in today’s 3rd party market. More and more companies keep popping up out of the woodwork.
See, I think your logic is flawed there. Classics/Generations etc. obviously is "neo" or whatever, but WfC/FoC is its own continuity/style so a company doing "neo" (Classics/figures designed to fit in with Classics) can do that all they want, but a company attempting to do screen accurate versions of WfC/FoC should stick to the source material and attempt to make them as accurate as possible.
If you want truly "G1" then go for MP. Then you won't have to worry about the whole "neo" thing, the "video game" thing, the "movie" thing or any other "thing" you don't like. But you won't do that because they take up too much space on your shelf apparently. Sure, there are plenty of collectors still holding on to hopes of someday completing their "G1" Classics collections, but the reality is that at least for now, Has/Tak are working from the IDW comics more than they are the G1 cartoons and fiction for their Generations line and they're putting all of their "G1" efforts into the MP line. The third party "Classics" scene will dry up before long I think, as soon as more collectors finally reconcile the idea that to get the "ultimate" G1 lineup on their shelves, MP is the way to go, not Classics/Generations.
As for me, just as long as Planet X keeps doing the game accurate figures of characters that Has/Tak won't do from WfC and FoC, I'll keep on buying them and I'm not alone. I think Planet X's business model is very smart. They found a niche market of collectors that no one else is catering to and they're running with it. If they compromised that to try and cater to the "Classics" crowd as well (the crowd that pretty much every other third party is fighting over, hence the 2 Devastators, 3 Predakings, 2 sets of Headmasters etc.) then they'd be competing with every other third party out there plus Has/Tak. That doesn't seem like smart business to me. If FP, MMC, Maketoys, TFC and all these other third parties keep trying to fill the same gaps (the "Classics" gaps) then eventually some of them will go out of business unless they start doing what companies like Planet X here are doing, namely catering to a part of the collector market that no one else is.
william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
Agamemnon, barebacked rider of flying robo-dragon, and not often constipated either...My nephew wrote:Bacon is meat candy.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Why are we complaining about FOC Swoop being in scale with the figures he's intended to compliment?
You want a Classics Swoop that's larger? Go get the Classics Swoop that other company is making.
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