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The Ferrari masquerade's as a Decepticon in order to find out about where they will strike next on earth. This would explain why he's described as a Decepticon in the Empire Magazine article and also why Ferrari is seen driving around with the Autobots.

Also: He comes up with with a rather lame Decepticion name for himself to fool them.

I remember something about VW not wanting anything to do with the TF franchise.

I know it's just me, but If I was Ferrari, I'm not sure if I'd allow my product to be comercialised/advertised as one of the bad guys (point beingit's car sales 101 that you want the car to be your friend).

Then again, in Ferraris shoes: Between the option of having the product featured as a Decepticon or not featured in the film at all, when Ferrari could easily have found out that 1 Lamborghini could have been in Rotf and another Lamborghini should have been scouted out for dotm.... it's a tricky choice.

Again, if I were Ferrari, I'd be pissed off at the idea that my product was chosen to be the traitor in a movie featuring two star-spangled Lamborghini heroes, had Lamborghini been included.

My point: I'm not convinced that a company who is willing to back their product 100% (there are few now:Zippo & Victorinox are perhaps the most household) would allow it to be portrayed as the traitor.

Smoketreader wrote:I remember something about VW not wanting anything to do with the TF franchise.

I know it's just me, but If I was Ferrari, I'm not sure if I'd allow my product to be commercialized/advertised as one of the bad guys (point being it's car sales 101 that you want the car to be your friend).

Then again, in Ferrari's shoes: Between the option of having the product featured as a Decepticon or not featured in the film at all, when Ferrari could easily have found out that 1 Lamborghini could have been in Rotf and another Lamborghini should have been scouted out for dotm.... it's a tricky choice.

My point: I'm not convinced that a company who is willing to back their product 100% (there are few now:Zippo & Victorinox are perhaps the most household) would allow it to be portrayed as the traitor.

You have to look at this realisticly...

This is just a movie. Though it may be a popular one at that, the people who buy vehicles like this buy them for certain reasons. And i seriously doubt that the fact that there product is being labeled as a possible traitor is going to influence their dission.
Personally, as a car enthusiast myself, I'm not going to label Ferrari any different. Will an 8yr old kid that See's one possibly label it as..
"Ooh! Bad guy! Grr!!"
Maybe. Will Ferrari care? No. They won't. Is an adult who can afford to spend 150,000+ on a car care? No.

As for "car sales 101", Ferrari isn't your average car. The buying experience is totally different than your average vehicle. Heck, many dealers only see you by appointment only. There's no haggling with the price. There's usually no test drives. What you see is what you get. The price you see, is the price you pay.

Again, if I were Ferrari, I'd be pissed off at the idea that my product was chosen to be the traitor in a movie featuring two star-spangled Lamborghini heroes, had Lamborghini been included.

Unfortunate this argument is pointless since there were no Lamborghini's in ROTF. And so what? There has to be a villain. Thats how movies like this work. There are heroes and their are villains. I Ferrari is so opposed to being a possible villain (I say possible because we don't know his identity at this point. Its all speculation) Though it was said very early that he was supposed to be an autobot)).

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Smoketreader wrote:I remember something about VW not wanting anything to do with the TF franchise.

I know it's just me, but If I was Ferrari, I'm not sure if I'd allow my product to be commercialized/advertised as one of the bad guys (point being it's car sales 101 that you want the car to be your friend).

Then again, in Ferrari's shoes: Between the option of having the product featured as a Decepticon or not featured in the film at all, when Ferrari could easily have found out that 1 Lamborghini could have been in Rotf and another Lamborghini should have been scouted out for dotm.... it's a tricky choice.

My point: I'm not convinced that a company who is willing to back their product 100% (there are few now:Zippo & Victorinox are perhaps the most household) would allow it to be portrayed as the traitor.

You have to look at this realisticly...

This is just a movie. Though it may be a popular one at that, the people who buy vehicles like this buy them for certain reasons. And i seriously doubt that the fact that there product is being labeled as a possible traitor is going to influence their dission.
Personally, as a car enthusiast myself, I'm not going to label Ferrari any different. Will an 8yr old kid that See's one possibly label it as..
"Ooh! Bad guy! Grr!!"
Maybe. Will Ferrari care? No. They won't. Is an adult who can afford to spend 150,000+ on a car care? No.

As for "car sales 101", Ferrari isn't your average car. The buying experience is totally different than your average vehicle. Heck, many dealers only see you by appointment only. There's no haggling with the price. There's usually no test drives. What you see is what you get. The price you see, is the price you pay.

Again, if I were Ferrari, I'd be pissed off at the idea that my product was chosen to be the traitor in a movie featuring two star-spangled Lamborghini heroes, had Lamborghini been included.

Unfortunate this argument is pointless since there were no Lamborghini's in ROTF. And so what? There has to be a villain. Thats how movies like this work. There are heroes and their are villains. I Ferrari is so opposed to being a possible villain (I say possible because we don't know his identity at this point. Its all speculation) Though it was said very early that he was supposed to be an autobot)).

Okay. I read it all, and I was already in agreement with you before I posted, except for one thing: where you decide to tell me that I have to look at this realistically. I'm not convinced, at the moment, that I wasn't being realistic.Doesn't mean I won't change my mind later, of course.

Furthermore, I was thinking along the lines of Nazi connotations.Laugh all you want, just don't forget I've already established that I agree with you.

You'll say the Nazi line isn't there anymore to draw: this is in fact very true, but it once was.My consideration was this: that IF the ferrari was coupled with a BAD personality and an Italian accent, viewers might see, without it expressly being put there, a BAD ITALIAN PERSONALITY. Coupled with Nazi connotations amongst the original Decepticon line-up (Blitzwing, Megatron) and the Mussolini period (which is not considered by everyone to be an 'Italian' period as it was a dictatorship, the same way that not everyone treats "Nazi" as Germany but as a reich inside Germany), then there is reason enough for some people guiding Ferrari as a company to have had reservations about their product being portrayed this way when the Lamborghini product wasn't and didn't have to be to get into the G1 show (which was piss poor in commercial importance compared to dotm of course).
I don't know what you would do if you were being payed zillions to guide the Ferrari company image, but If I was, I'd make an issue out of it, on the grounds that Ferrari is a matter of pride to Italy (and justly so).

I will be buying the toy.

Michael Bay is in charge, and as such,may have initially requested/organised the model to feature in the film without even a distinct plan at the time as to what allegiance it will have or role it will play.Knowing that this could easily have been a visit to Lamborghini instead of Ferrari, what would you have done, as Ferrari, if Bay had approached you to feature your car alongside the Chevy Volt,Spark and gorgeous Audi,(for all you knew then, even tho they are out now) in the contender for the 2011 top grossing film of all time? I know I'd try to get it in any which way, but I'd still be mindful of what they were gonna do with it, because Ferrari doesn't sell out to be on the top shelf, it just is top shelf already. Those are the grounds for my contributed thoughts, and that's all they are- contributed thoughts.

Mektek Smoketreader wrote: Furthermore, I was thinking along the lines of Nazi connotations.Laugh all you want, just don't forget I've already established that I agree with you.

You'll say the Nazi line isn't there anymore to draw: this is in fact very true, but it once was.My consideration was this: that IF the ferrari was coupled with a BAD personality and an Italian accent, viewers might see, without it expressly being put there, a BAD ITALIAN PERSONALITY. Coupled with Nazi connotations amongst the original Decepticon line-up (Blitzwing, Megatron) and the Mussolini period (which is not considered by everyone to be an 'Italian' period as it was a dictatorship, the same way that not everyone treats "Nazi" as Germany but as a reich inside Germany), then there is reason enough for some people guiding Ferrari as a company to have had reservations about their product being portrayed this way when the Lamborghini product wasn't and didn't have to be to get into the G1 show (which was piss poor in commercial importance compared to dotm of course).
I don't know what you would do if you were being payed zillions to guide the Ferrari company image, but If I was, I'd make an issue out of it, on the grounds that Ferrari is a matter of pride to Italy (and justly so).

First let me start by saying nice name change.
Second,.. Wow... I have to say my friend, that you are reeeeeeeaaly stretching this whole "Ferrari" bad image thing. I'm not saying that your wrong, but personally, i don't see any conection with the whole Nazi thing to Ferrari based on one staring in a Transformers movie based on robots from another planet. Its kinda like the whole "6 degree's of kevin Bacon" thing. Sure, At some point if you were really reatching you can make damn near anything conect. BUt as far as Ferrari and Nazi's.. Sorry. I just don't see the conection. Even if Blitzwing does show up.
(personaly if i were running Ferrari, i'd be more worried about one of my cars being scene driven by one of the Jersey Shore characters. They make Italy's Image look far worse than anything TF could.

Mektek Smoketreader wrote:Michael Bay is in charge, and as such,may have initially requested/organised the model to feature in the film without even a distinct plan at the time as to what allegiance it will have or role it will play.Knowing that this could easily have been a visit to Lamborghini instead of Ferrari, what would you have done, as Ferrari, if Bay had approached you to feature your car alongside the Chevy Volt,Spark and gorgeous Audi,(for all you knew then, even tho they are out now) in the contender for the 2011 top grossing film of all time? I know I'd try to get it in any which way, but I'd still be mindful of what they were gonna do with it, because Ferrari doesn't sell out to be on the top shelf, it just is top shelf already. Those are the grounds for my contributed thoughts, and that's all they are- contributed thoughts.

Again my friend. You have to look at this realisticly. whoever the person is that runs Ferrari (might be Enzo, not sure) were that worried about its image, then regardless of wether or not Bay could have pounded down Lamborghini's door or not, they could have writen in at the time that they didn't want their vehicle being portrayed as the vilan. Even without a script in hand. As i said before, Ferrari is not your average vehicle. Its not like too car companies like Chevy or Dodge, who have suffered greatly in this economic down turn, could benifit greatly with exposure. (the new Camaro was largely responisble for save GM. And the concept car being featured in the first movie i believe to this day had alot to do with its success) The people who can shell out the money for either a Ferrari or Lambo aren't worried about wether or not its going to be featured in an upcoming movie about Giant robots from outer space. Nor will it any any shape or form bring "shame" to Italy if its character is portrayed as a vilan. Again, no disrespect, but your conections are so far fetched in this case, there almost no exhistant.
Even so, this isn't the first time Ferrari's have been featured as bad guys (several were used by Vilans in James Bond movies).

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Mektek Smoketreader wrote: Furthermore, I was thinking along the lines of Nazi connotations.Laugh all you want, just don't forget I've already established that I agree with you.

You'll say the Nazi line isn't there anymore to draw: this is in fact very true, but it once was.My consideration was this: that IF the ferrari was coupled with a BAD personality and an Italian accent, viewers might see, without it expressly being put there, a BAD ITALIAN PERSONALITY. Coupled with Nazi connotations amongst the original Decepticon line-up (Blitzwing, Megatron) and the Mussolini period (which is not considered by everyone to be an 'Italian' period as it was a dictatorship, the same way that not everyone treats "Nazi" as Germany but as a reich inside Germany), then there is reason enough for some people guiding Ferrari as a company to have had reservations about their product being portrayed this way when the Lamborghini product wasn't and didn't have to be to get into the G1 show (which was piss poor in commercial importance compared to dotm of course).
I don't know what you would do if you were being payed zillions to guide the Ferrari company image, but If I was, I'd make an issue out of it, on the grounds that Ferrari is a matter of pride to Italy (and justly so).

First let me start by saying nice name change.
Second,.. Wow... I have to say my friend, that you are reeeeeeeaaly stretching this whole "Ferrari" bad image thing. I'm not saying that your wrong, but personally, i don't see any conection with the whole Nazi thing to Ferrari based on one staring in a Transformers movie based on robots from another planet. Its kinda like the whole "6 degree's of kevin Bacon" thing. Sure, At some point if you were really reatching you can make damn near anything conect. BUt as far as Ferrari and Nazi's.. Sorry. I just don't see the conection. Even if Blitzwing does show up.
(personaly if i were running Ferrari, i'd be more worried about one of my cars being scene driven by one of the Jersey Shore characters. They make Italy's Image look far worse than anything TF could.

Mektek Smoketreader wrote:Michael Bay is in charge, and as such,may have initially requested/organised the model to feature in the film without even a distinct plan at the time as to what allegiance it will have or role it will play.Knowing that this could easily have been a visit to Lamborghini instead of Ferrari, what would you have done, as Ferrari, if Bay had approached you to feature your car alongside the Chevy Volt,Spark and gorgeous Audi,(for all you knew then, even tho they are out now) in the contender for the 2011 top grossing film of all time? I know I'd try to get it in any which way, but I'd still be mindful of what they were gonna do with it, because Ferrari doesn't sell out to be on the top shelf, it just is top shelf already. Those are the grounds for my contributed thoughts, and that's all they are- contributed thoughts.

Again my friend. You have to look at this realisticly. whoever the person is that runs Ferrari (might be Enzo, not sure) were that worried about its image, then regardless of wether or not Bay could have pounded down Lamborghini's door or not, they could have writen in at the time that they didn't want their vehicle being portrayed as the vilan. Even without a script in hand. As i said before, Ferrari is not your average vehicle. Its not like too car companies like Chevy or Dodge, who have suffered greatly in this economic down turn, could benifit greatly with exposure. (the new Camaro was largely responisble for save GM. And the concept car being featured in the first movie i believe to this day had alot to do with its success) The people who can shell out the money for either a Ferrari or Lambo aren't worried about wether or not its going to be featured in an upcoming movie about Giant robots from outer space. Nor will it any any shape or form bring "shame" to Italy if its character is portrayed as a vilan. Again, no disrespect, but your conections are so far fetched in this case, there almost no exhistant.
Even so, this isn't the first time Ferrari's have been featured as bad guys (several were used by Vilans in James Bond movies).

No,no no: It's just the train of thought regarding my suspicions,which are forwarded only as a contribution to this thread topic- not my hardcore insistence.I remember the Ferari villains (and thge Lambo that gets run over by the Hovercraft in the Jackie Chan flick).

hey your also forgetting the huge popularity for the bad guys. after all i wouldnt be surprised seeing farrari pitch to the bad boy market...


villiany sells

and on a side note... "Coupled with Nazi connotations amongst the original Decepticon line-up (Blitzwing, Megatron)" megatron was german??? when did i miss that?

shadowynne wrote:hey your also forgetting the huge popularity for the bad guys. after all i wouldnt be surprised seeing farrari pitch to the bad boy market...


villiany sells

and on a side note... "Coupled with Nazi connotations amongst the original Decepticon line-up (Blitzwing, Megatron)" megatron was german??? when did i miss that?

No, Megz is Cybertronian. His Helmet was Nazi in semblance and his Altmode was either Nazi or German to the best of my knowledge.(I keep a line between the two).

For a time, there had been a major movement in the Comic & cartoon industries regarding a portrayal of all villains az pipl hoo spok laik zis unt vantet too distroy ze free vest. It vos considrt politik inkorekt on ze lefel of tsildrnz edyukasion via egzampl of adult kondukt.I remember Captain America and Superman were pointed at directly in the news reel, which was,like,evening newsworthy.This was in the mid to late 80s from memory.

In other posts of mine, I've touched on this, claiming someone shouldn't expect to get applauded for finishing a storytelling school just because they did (point being there are advances to stay abreast of or taboos be canny enough to work around: Crossref: Ze Doktor).
In this post, it has no standing regarding the title topic, but I forward it anyway as the basis for my comment on somebody not wishing to be associated with Nazism,even tho I add that the line is no longer there to draw anymore (from G1 Megz,to TF1 Megz,who looks like one of the bad Demon make up heads from Buffy or Angel if you check out his profile.

Past that, It crossed my mind that Ferrari would not feel interested in needing to lend their customers a 'bad boy' image,since I guessas someone who has no intention or desire of ever buying a Ferrari that the owners are cool about it, because it's just a car in their collection and therefore an option rather than a need to drive it around for a little on the weekend.It didn't,however,cross my mind that adopting a 'bad boy' advertising slant for a season or a year is modern logic.

Other possible explanation: The mgazine's full of crap.

I would like to point out to 510 Cruiser and others that Ford did ask them to remove Barricade's Ford logos. So thinking Ferrari might not want their car shown as a bad guy is realistic. However, I'm gonna remind people not to trust the magazine.

Mektek Smoketreader wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:
First let me start by saying nice name change.
Second,.. Wow... I have to say my friend, that you are reeeeeeeaaly stretching this whole "Ferrari" bad image thing. I'm not saying that your wrong, but personally, i don't see any conection with the whole Nazi thing to Ferrari based on one staring in a Transformers movie based on robots from another planet. Its kinda like the whole "6 degree's of kevin Bacon" thing. Sure, At some point if you were really reatching you can make damn near anything conect. BUt as far as Ferrari and Nazi's.. Sorry. I just don't see the conection. Even if Blitzwing does show up.
(personaly if i were running Ferrari, i'd be more worried about one of my cars being scene driven by one of the Jersey Shore characters. They make Italy's Image look far worse than anything TF could.

Again my friend. You have to look at this realisticly. whoever the person is that runs Ferrari (might be Enzo, not sure) were that worried about its image, then regardless of wether or not Bay could have pounded down Lamborghini's door or not, they could have writen in at the time that they didn't want their vehicle being portrayed as the vilan. Even without a script in hand. As i said before, Ferrari is not your average vehicle. Its not like too car companies like Chevy or Dodge, who have suffered greatly in this economic down turn, could benifit greatly with exposure. (the new Camaro was largely responisble for save GM. And the concept car being featured in the first movie i believe to this day had alot to do with its success) The people who can shell out the money for either a Ferrari or Lambo aren't worried about wether or not its going to be featured in an upcoming movie about Giant robots from outer space. Nor will it any any shape or form bring "shame" to Italy if its character is portrayed as a vilan. Again, no disrespect, but your conections are so far fetched in this case, there almost no exhistant.
Even so, this isn't the first time Ferrari's have been featured as bad guys (several were used by Vilans in James Bond movies).

No,no no: It's just the train of thought regarding my suspicions,which are forwarded only as a contribution to this thread topic- not my hardcore insistence.I remember the Ferari villains (and thge Lambo that gets run over by the Hovercraft in the Jackie Chan flick).

Okay, The original reply here was typed up in a mad rush, and I wanted to come back and say thank you for the naming compliment and also to show you the respect for calling me friend-Thank you, MY Friend.

The more I read your posts the more I agree with you,but I do feel there is such an attitude in Europe as concern about being painted up in certain colors.If other people don't see it,it's GOOD news.The media here (especially the rogue reporters) discusses pan-European counter-ethnicist reforms (or occasional lack thereof) regularly.The war,and those that led up to it, left a LOT of scars here and they get brought out under the belt all the time.The ability for anyone to poke fun at themselves (in this case Ferrari) has already been discussed in these forums as a major merit.
Furthermore,the very best Current affairs programs here,currently focusing on Japan, are constantly talking about how the Japanese people asked for only minimal aid because it is a part of their heritage not to show their suffering beyond a certain level.This is right on my frontal lobe right now and defenitely would have colored my thoughts about an offended Italy (but also see about Russia,below,which is a pre-Tsunami attitude of mine still colored the Italian way).

I definitely agree that most-almost all- Ferrari customers won't care about the portrayal, but I just assume as working class that Ferrari, as the untouchable type of elite name brand,wouldn't easily be sold on someone elses need to be associated with ferrari, know what I mean? 'You want Ferrari in your film? Sure, why not,here's a free sample,but it's NOT your Ferrari.It's a Ferrari ferrari.Putting this car in your film will do something for the film and for Ferrari fans, but it aint gonna do something for the Car.It was born to do it all for itself'.

Anybody can knock on Ferraris' door and say "I designed this product especially for Ferrari,it suits your requirements down to a T-junction,I wrote a thesis on your requirements in University,I married a woman named Ferrari,etc" to which I imagine Ferrari would say "Thank you for your very appreciated enthusiasm,but you don't make these cars".

And as for the Nazi connotations,I've made no secret of the fact that,and I quote myself, (to the effect of,occasional words will be off center):
" I'm concerned that since many Nations outside his own continue until today to show Mr Kennedy as a truly benevolent man, which I agree that he was, I've got my reservations as to how [the Russians] will be portrayed, on the grounds that Transformers is [Global heritage now] and one ['ethnic group'] of kids shouldn't have to feel that they should enjoy them less because the headline global TF event (the Movie) made them feel that they did something wrong to the rest of [the TF fans and their TF toys].This [result,especially if foreseeable and yet still permitted to happen],would be Criminal".
I won't budge on this view,I consider it unforgivable if it happens.
I think the main bulk of this sentiment was somewhere in the Shockwave theory thread.

Lastly, I'm only posting in response to the question: Possible Dreadbox Explanation.I have other responses for other questions on the same Bot which are nowhere near this view.
I reply that it's Possible the Allegiance is getting re-arranged after a feeling by Ferrari that it is becoming a vessel that will allow it's Italian brethren to undrgo a distasteful experience-that of the traitor in a joint global crisis.Everyone is in the same boat except the one with the Italian accent.Rumor,yes,but If I was Ferrari and I heard the Rumor I'd shove my arm into Bays business up to the shoulder.

An example of another Car company putting Hasbro through the design wringer was Mazda with Jazz who became Meister.Their board redesigned that Alternator so much the lower leg Transformation and head sculpt became Grade A.For this reason i don't consider it an odd scenario for Ferrari to jump in at a later date and begin requesting adjustments that might go so far as be exasperating to the film team,within context of my reply to this thread.

Furthermore, the simple fact that Bay made Pearl Harbor (not also looking at the Twins, and Jetfire, who is already ww1 to ww2 in vocab use) means he might feel comfortable with portrayals coming from a certain vector that I would procrastinate about using,again,within said contexts.

The Nazi connotations notes are only addendum,added to show my own vector,but they are incomplete without the 'Villan hoo spiks laik zis' reference in the post b4 this one.

Just to be clear where I was going with my 2 Energon points.Past that, no matter the allegiance,the Ferrari will get a recolor in the opposite one anyway.

This needs to start folding its' way back into the main title gradually.It's gone walkabout on its' own.

Idea Dreadbox is a Counterpunch/Punch type guy

godzillabot wrote:Idea Dreadbox is a Counterpunch/Punch type guy

I hope so. Any Masterclass version,using the movie style anatomies and all, would transform like a dream.

Mektek Smoketreader wrote:

godzillabot wrote:Idea Dreadbox is a Counterpunch/Punch type guy

I hope so. Any Masterclass version,using the movie style anatomies and all, would transform like a dream.

Well the idea occurred to me as I was watching the rebirth P1, also I have theory of who that tentacle thingy is, would you like to hear it?

godzillabot wrote:

Mektek Smoketreader wrote:

godzillabot wrote:Idea Dreadbox is a Counterpunch/Punch type guy

I hope so. Any Masterclass version,using the movie style anatomies and all, would transform like a dream.

Well the idea occurred to me as I was watching the rebirth P1, also I have theory of who that tentacle thingy is, would you like to hear it?

Go ahead

Transformers Fanatic wrote:

godzillabot wrote:

Mektek Smoketreader wrote:

godzillabot wrote:Idea Dreadbox is a Counterpunch/Punch type guy

I hope so. Any Masterclass version,using the movie style anatomies and all, would transform like a dream.

Well the idea occurred to me as I was watching the rebirth P1, also I have theory of who that tentacle thingy is, would you like to hear it?

Go ahead

Absolutely!

Mektek Smoketreader wrote:

Transformers Fanatic wrote:

godzillabot wrote:

Mektek Smoketreader wrote:

godzillabot wrote:Idea Dreadbox is a Counterpunch/Punch type guy

I hope so. Any Masterclass version,using the movie style anatomies and all, would transform like a dream.

Well the idea occurred to me as I was watching the rebirth P1, also I have theory of who that tentacle thingy is, would you like to hear it?

Go ahead

Absolutely!

Thanks! I think that its Starscream’s partner, if you remember Bay revealed some info about DOTM, he said that Screamer and Shockwave will be getting new partners! And that the scale on one will be amazing, well… this leaves much speculation to us seibertronians, but of all the choices I chose: Screamers G2 loyal lackey BB, in a new design! Maybe a cybertronian drill thingy