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Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:19 pm

Could PREDATOR be a AUTOBOT? :grin:

Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:26 pm

I think he could because he did not let the girl die in AVP he saved her more than once,and he wont kill any one unless they have a gun and or they hurt him.Example in PREDATOR2 he did not kill the female cop because she was pregnan,and the little boy with the toy gun was innocent the gun was not a threat to him so my piont is made!!!!!

Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:33 pm

Di... did you just respond to your own post?

And this is the fantasy BATTLES thread. Stuff like this should belong in the General discussion

News Credits: 3 · Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:41 pm

That's a tough one. Valid points in the second post. Predators by their nature hunt others, and prefer their prey to be able to fight. If I remember the cop from Predator 2 right, she was a fighter, but an innocent would have been harmed if he'd gone after her. As for the kid... as you said, he was just a kid with a toy gun. Being able to spare potential targets that should be spared doesn't mean he can be called an Autobot; just that there's a certain measure of honor to the hunt Predators take up. As I remember, Cybertron's Scourge was the same way, and he was a Decepticon.

Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:58 pm

Um...

You got a piont made but I think there more to them like the Transformers. :grin:

Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:08 pm

Well...

near the end Scorge turned a new "claw" So y cant Predator?

News Credits: 49 · Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:23 pm

Not in the slightest.

Predators hunt their prey, for the glory of the hunt. They collect trophies from the fallen victims. They do not hesitate to kill an armed assailant, unless as mentioned before the assailant is pregnant.

As in Predator 2, we see the Predator take out an entire subway car full of people an Autobot would consider innocent, because the Predator deemed them a threat, because they were armed.

The Predator culture is one of honor, honor for the clan, honor for the hunt.

The reason the Predator in AVP did not kill the girl, was because she proved herself to the Predator as a hunter. As terrible a move as AvP was, they took that part right from the much, much better AvP comic.

Unless Optimus Prime start putting skulls of killed Decepticons in a trophy case aboard the Ark, then the Predator could never be consider an Autobot.

Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:29 pm

Ouch. Well He took it out for the guned cops not one other person was hert BY HIM unless they were trampled by the wigging out peaple.So He still may have a chance.EXAMPLE HE MANLEY TAKES OUT GANGSTERS WITCH THEY R BAD AND DRUG HEADS RIGHT!!!!! :grin:

But u have got me thinking :-?

But Optimus Prime might be seen as and I do say MIGHT be seen as a worthy hunter. :grin:

News Credits: 49 · Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:37 pm

You mean, not one other person was hurt by him, save for the gang members. Bill Paxton, and several innocent people on the subway car.

Yes, the Predator did kill everyone in the subway car, because they all had weapons, even though aside from the gang members we would consider them innocent people. The predator killed them because they were armed.

When they have the crime scene cordoned off, even the inspector says something along the lines of "he killed a bunch of innocent people."

An Autobot would not do this. If an Autobot sees a person with a gun, he wouldn't kill the person.

Had the little boy in the cemetery had a real gun. The Predator would have killed him too. But the Predator's helmet did some analysis on the gun and determined it was fake and the boy was therefore not a threat.

Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:00 pm

YES SOME OTHERS HINSE THE WORD SOME HAD GUNS NOT ALL I HAVE THE MOVIES BOTH DIRECTORS CUT AND NOT EVERYONE DIED IN THAT SUBWAY CAR YES SOME DID BUT EVER HEARD OF AN ACCIDENT KILLING PEAPLE!THE ONES WITH GUNS DID YES BUT IN MY GAME I HAVE HE DOUES NOT KILL EVERYONE.YOU PLAY AS HIM SEE WHAT HE SEES AND THAT BEING SAID.I HAVE SAVED PEAPLE FROM BAD GUYS. EX:THIS CYCHO MAN WAS KILLING HARMLES HOMLESS DUDES SO I HAD TO KILL HIM HE WAS EVIL.AND IN THE END CALLED END OF EMPIRE THIS ONE MAN CALLED HUNTER HAD KILLED MANY OF PREDATOR BRETHEREN AND I KILLED HUNTER BROJIA FOR THE HONER AND THE VENGENCE OF THE CLAN HE DID WAT WAS RIGHT IN HIS EYES! :-x

News Credits: 49 · Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:16 pm

All caps = bad

Poor spelling = bad

Poor spelling + all caps = Really bad

Yeah, it wasn't an accident that he killed the people on the subway car.

Predators go to a planet, to a specific area to find and kill the greatest champion.

In the first movie, that was Arnold, and that was the reason why the Predator killed off each of the other members starting from the weakest and moving on up.

In the second movie, the Predator did the exact same thing. He started off at the lowest possible denominator, the gang members, and worked his way up the chain until he got to Danny Glover, who was th best cop in L.A.

The Predator categorizes people into two categories. Prey, and waste of time. Basically honorable kill and dishonorable kill.

Anyone wielding a weapon, a weapon in the persons hand, is considered an honorable target. While it may not be the main focus of the Predators hunt. He will kill them.

Also, in Concrete Jungle, yes, you killed the people who stole the technology from the Predator, you didn't do this because they were badguys. You did that to regain your honor.

If you remember, there was a level where you did nothing but kill cops. But aren't cops the good guys? Why yes, yes they are.

They were in the way of the Predator and his goal, and they were going to kill him given the chance.

There is a huge difference between doing what is right in your eyes. And doing what is right.

Remember, Hitler thought what he was doing was right, in his eyes.

The Autobots kill only if it's absolutely necessary, in the case of life and death especially in a war, it's necessary.

The Predator kills for glory, not for what is right, but for honor to himself and to his clan.

The Autobots wouldn't kill innocent people who are holding a gun.

The Predator would kill innocent people who are holding a gun.

The Autobots try to avoid conflict.

The Predator engages in conflict for the hunt.

Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:30 pm

All of Hugo's points are both valid and correct. I'd further add that while the Predator's have a strong sense of honor they would not and could not be accepted in the Autobot millitary, not even as allies. However they'd most likely side more with the Decepticons. But in all liklihood they'd most likely just try to hunt them both down. Damn..... someone needs to make a Predator vs. Transformers comic book.

Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:31 pm

THE REASON IM DOING ALL CAPS IS IM ANGRY AND ON THE COTARY UR A COBRA SO UR BAD HA HA HA.AND THEY R CALD ABREVASHONS AND SO WAT IF I CANT SPELL ALL THE WORDS RIGHT.WE ARE ALL THE SAME WE MAKE MISTAKES!!!!!!!!!!!! In the movie AVP predator came there to get rid of the pyramid they did not know there was peale there till the got the scanners.As for if you have a weapon like in AVP the girl had Preds weapon aka SHOULDER CANNON.He almost killed her but she gave it to him so in therey if You or I had a weapon and he saw it we meerly would disarm our selfs no threat.They know when to stop the hunt in the books I have they stopped when they knew thay had to and it was raining the heat wave was broken.In a nother book they HAD ACADENTLY crashed here and killed peaple whome got to close to thear ship and there Elder.In another example the second book to Batman vs Predator Predator Batman killed the Preds son now if some one killed ur friend/little sibling wuoldent u want some vengence or at least justice? :-x

Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:39 pm

Lol ya they should but i dont think they r evil just misunderstood like sharks ,pitbulls loins,tigers and some tribes of Indians so maybe not an autobot or deceptacon but they may have some kindness to them all things do well not all humans maybe but evryone or thing does show kindness to someone ,family or friends.

News Credits: 49 · Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:46 pm

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Yeah, typing in all caps because you're angry, just makes you look like an idiot. Especially if you're angry because someone is disagreeing with you.

Also, yes everyone makes mistakes. However, if you make mistakes because you rush something, well that just looks bad.

Now, on to the whole Predator thing.

Autobots don't look for vengeance. You don't see Rodimus Prime murdering the crap out of Galvatron because he killed Prime.

Also, they didn't show up to get rid of the pyramid. I don't know which ABC Family version of AvP you saw, but thats totally wrong.

The predators in AvP were unblooded hunters. They went to the pyramid to fight the aliens and therefore prove their right to become Blooded hunters.

Unblooded basically means they are young predators in training.

It was a right of manhood that they went on, to prove themselves, if they came back alive, they would become full hunters and no longer just trainees.

If they didn't come back, well, they would make sure they didn't come back.

That is why each Predator opts to self-destruct in times of a certain defeat.

They did not go to the planet in order to destroy the pyramid. They went there to take a test.

Yes, the Predator did not kill the woman because she gave him the plasma caster. This isn't because she was a good guy, this was because she wised up to why they were being hunted.

The Predators think of themselves and their clan before ANYONE else.

The Autobots think of themselves last.

I really can't see how this isn't sinking in.

Edit: Nobody said they were evil. I just said, they could never be considered an Autobot.

Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:03 am

I was not mad about u disagreeing I thought you were just pushing butons. And I just thought that cuz howd they know there was humans there? Maybe not AUTOBOT Or DECAPTACON but they might help eather side if a clan member was in danger of the other team right? :-?

News Credits: 49 · Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:05 am

No, helping a member of the clan is forbidden. It makes them look weak.

In Predator 2, how many other Predators were on the ship at the end? More than enough to help the main Predator, however, they did no such thing.

If the Predator loses the fight, then he loses the fight and can die with honor.

Helping him only makes the Predator look weak and shames him.

Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:17 am

Wat about Predator concrete jungle u rescue trapped brothers why then huh?

News Credits: 49 · Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:21 am

Because it was apart of atoning.

The reason why they were captured, was because the main Predator let his tech get captured.

So, you have to rescue those predators who were being experimented on to make up for your dishonor.

Not to mention, they were prisoners, they weren't in a fight, had they been fighting and the main predator was there, he wouldn't help.

As it's one thing to die with honor during a fight, then to get captured and experimented on, theres no honor in that.

Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:24 am

oh ok but wat i meant was say megetron captured a brother wuold one help it like in concrete jungle cuz he cant hes captured

News Credits: 49 · Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:28 am

See, there would really be no point in Megatron capturing a Predator. The Transformers are a lot more sophisticated technologically compared to the Predators, so there would be no point in Megatron actually keeping one alive.

However, if it happened, I doubt the Predators would go up to the Autobots and ask for an alliance, they opt to rescue him themselves. That is of course if they even knew he was captured. And if there was a reason to rescue the captured Predator.

Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:32 am

Ok say just say megtron liked the Preds weapons and the autobots knew somthing was up so did the ohter Preds and the captured Pred was the ELDER of thear clan?

Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:50 am

while i can't believe i actually read all this in the versus thread, i do notice it's an easy way to up ones post count.

I always thought Pretender Grimlock should be have a predator shell.

oh, and welcome to Seibertron!

Warning Seibertron contains Nuts :shock:

and you SenorH will receive three lashes from a wet noodle for not properlly greating him. :-x

Fortunatly for your comical ranting prowess i arranged the lashing to be given by... Sanaa Lathan and Agathe De La Boulaye seeing as Elpidia Carrillo was unavailable

happy hunting

Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:55 am

Ok um one thing if this is about me IM A GIRL :-x

and AxiomScion ur funny thats y im not i lagh easy lol :lol:

and Will some one anwer the Question plz

News Credits: 3 · Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:51 am

AUTOBOT HELPER wrote::???: Ok um one thing if this is about me IM A GIRL and AxiomScion ur funny thats y im not i lagh easy lol and Will some one anwer the Question plz

It's not impossible for a Predator to be an Autobot, but in general, not so much. In the general sense, it is more accurate to compare Predators to the Hirogen from Star Trek: Voyager. They live for the hunt. As sparing the pregnant cop demonstrates, they have some a of honor and morality, but it is far from what Autobots adhere to. They're not out to destroy the Universe and rebuild it in their own image, as Megatron is. They're out to kill their chosen prey and take what is often a piece of their remains as a trophy. That's like Scrapper (from the Classics Devastator set) building monuments to his fallen opponents out of their chassis. Is a Predator capable of being an Autobot? It is not impossible; it's just very much against their nature.