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The more I see of AOE the more it is copying ideas or using similar ideas from the X-men movies. Being both a Transfan & Comic Book Geek Nerd I have noticed the comparisons.

In the X-Men films the Humans wanted to Use the Mutants Powers but also wanted the Extinction of the Mutants. In Days of Future Past we will finally see the Setinels in Full Force thanks to Trask Industries. Like in AOE these Sentinels are created by Humans to get rid of the Mutants.

Now in AOE or previous Transformers they used NBE 1 to reverse engineer Cybertronian Tech to make the Modern Day. Then in AOE with Harold Attinger being a Trask clone with the Sentinels is making his own Transformers to bring the Cybertronians to Extinction hence the Title of the film.

See how they are similar I wonder if they watched X-Men to do AOE to me they are almost indentical in terms of story wise.
But with X-Men this is basically a set up for Apocalypse & I hope will be the 4 Horseman but done in a new Way.

With AOE I hope this is or will be a lead up to Unicron or at least Hint at Unicron but handle it like in The Avengers post-end Credits suprise.

Also I am also curious to learn more on this new Dark Artifact called The Dark Spark I assume this is something for Galvatron but what about its Origins & its Power is it similar towards the Matrix or something more greater.

My Plot Device I called Elemental Chaos was about Space & Time or being able to Control it. then it Shattered into Pieces. Being on a Countdown Timer if it isnt found then the excess Energy would cause the Universe to Be destroyed. this is thanks to the Colossul amount of Energy that was used to Case the Elemental Chaos in its Chamber this was done by the Original 13 Primes eons ago before Megatron or Optimus even exsisted.

I assume The Dark Spark will not be like my Elemental Chaos I invented I assume it will be along the lines of the The Matrix or All Spark being an evil Version of the All Spark.

Once Galvatron gets the Darkspark then By bye Autobots. I assume we will learn more in the video game Rise of the Dark Spark.

Cant wait to learn more. but I stand by my saying that AOE is copying X-MEN.

Well, you know, it is really hard to find any movie that don't copy themes from other movie. X-Men itself is just changed idea of Heroes from Ancient Greece...

Also, other movies weren't fully creative either, RotF is essentially the same concept as Kung Fu Panda for example.

Everything was already, that is why movies (and not only) are so familiar...

TurboMMaster wrote:Well, you know, it is really hard to find any movie that don't copy themes from other movie. X-Men itself is just changed idea of Heroes from Ancient Greece...

Or you know, that hammer guy from Avengers, he's a Norse God for reals.

Oh and that other Avengers guy with the bow and arrow, he's kinda like that guy off Arrow.

...yeah...originality is in the minority these days.
Especially with anything involving Kurtzman and Orci

I read an interview with Bryan Singer just the other day about his ´inspiration´ from previous robot films, with Transformers being explicitly mentioned.

Aha, here it is! http://collider.com/bryan-singer-x-men- ... interview/

One of the things that a lot of people are excited about is we’re finally going to get to see Sentinels doing battle with the X-Men, and not in some poopy way, like full on Sentinel stuff and we’ve seen a picture that you’ve released, so what can you tease people about the Sentinels in the movie?
SINGER: Well the Sentinels of the past, it’s not, I mean, I have to say, there are movies like Transformers, and Iron Man, and Pacific Rim, that have already explored robots of all different sizes and shapes and scope and caliber, I knew that to make another robot attacks people or hero movie is not- yet they are an element in the picture.

Va'al wrote:I read an interview with Bryan Singer just the other day about his ´inspiration´ from previous robot films, with Transformers being explicitly mentioned.

Aha, here it is! http://collider.com/bryan-singer-x-men- ... interview/

One of the things that a lot of people are excited about is we’re finally going to get to see Sentinels doing battle with the X-Men, and not in some poopy way, like full on Sentinel stuff and we’ve seen a picture that you’ve released, so what can you tease people about the Sentinels in the movie?
SINGER: Well the Sentinels of the past, it’s not, I mean, I have to say, there are movies like Transformers, and Iron Man, and Pacific Rim, that have already explored robots of all different sizes and shapes and scope and caliber, I knew that to make another robot attacks people or hero movie is not- yet they are an element in the picture.

That's hardly inspiration, is it? That's just acknowledging that he's watched the Transformers and he saw that they were robots and some of them were of different shapes and sizes.

Which is why I added the inverted commas.

I honestly don't see your point then?




I also challenge the premise that there is no originality in the Transformers. No other movie franchise could come up and then get away with such an obvious racial stereotype as those two annoying brothers in ROTF.

Like I said before, RotF is essentialy a Kung Fu Panda with Giant Alien robots insteaf of humanoid animals.

Blast Cannon wrote:I honestly don't see your point then?




I also challenge the premise that there is no originality in the Transformers. No other movie franchise could come up and then get away with such an obvious racial stereotype as those two annoying brothers in ROTF.

Hmm.... I saw two orange and green robots. If you or anyone else associated their, or any other robots behavior with any "ethnicity" then I'd say they were the ones who are racially stereotyping.

On topic of AOE "Coping", nothing is really oringal. But to be fair, neither movie has been released yet. So either could have "copied" the other.

TurboMMaster wrote:Like I said before, RotF is essentialy a Kung Fu Panda with Giant Alien robots insteaf of humanoid animals.

The hell are you talking about? The only similarity is that some evil guy escapes an inescapable prison. The similarities end there.

Don't forget that Kelsey Grammer is in X-Men AS WELL AS AoE! Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

Nah. They're just pulling from good old fashioned humanity. Take the whole Cold War debacle. Americans build bomb, nuke the Japenese, Russians want bomb, get some plans, try to build bigger bomb, hey presto Tsar Bomba, Western world outraged, Americans build better delivery and detection systems.... and so on and so forth.

Its a common theme across literature through the ages to try and take your enemy's ideas and abilities, try to improve it and use it against them.

SlyTF1 wrote:

TurboMMaster wrote:Like I said before, RotF is essentialy a Kung Fu Panda with Giant Alien robots insteaf of humanoid animals.

The hell are you talking about? The only similarity is that some evil guy escapes an inescapable prison. The similarities end there.

The Chosen One? Humiliating Downfall? Took a Level in Badass? Very Old Mentor Guy?

Main plot of RotF is exactly the same, there is just to much unimportant addons in Movie.

TurboMMaster wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

TurboMMaster wrote:Like I said before, RotF is essentialy a Kung Fu Panda with Giant Alien robots insteaf of humanoid animals.

The hell are you talking about? The only similarity is that some evil guy escapes an inescapable prison. The similarities end there.

The Chosen One? Humiliating Downfall? Took a Level in Badass? Very Old Mentor Guy?

Main plot of RotF is exactly the same, there is just to much unimportant addons in Movie.

Except one is about a panda who learns kung fu and the other is about an intergalactic civil war between transforming robots. Other than that you're completely right.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Blast Cannon wrote:I honestly don't see your point then?




I also challenge the premise that there is no originality in the Transformers. No other movie franchise could come up and then get away with such an obvious racial stereotype as those two annoying brothers in ROTF.

Hmm.... I saw two orange and green robots. If you or anyone else associated their, or any other robots behavior with any "ethnicity" then I'd say they were the ones who are racially stereotyping.

Exactly, I don't know why people keep crying "that's racist!" against characters who aren't even human.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Blast Cannon wrote:I honestly don't see your point then?




I also challenge the premise that there is no originality in the Transformers. No other movie franchise could come up and then get away with such an obvious racial stereotype as those two annoying brothers in ROTF.

Hmm.... I saw two orange and green robots. If you or anyone else associated their, or any other robots behavior with any "ethnicity" then I'd say they were the ones who are racially stereotyping.

Exactly, I don't know why people keep crying "that's racist!" against characters who aren't even human.

Oh, I hadn't seen this. So from your point of view I'm the racist for associating two characters displaying negative cultural stereotypes, typically of African-Americans, and identifying them as such? What a ridiculous point of view. I'm not going to hijack this thread by covering old ground about it because the argument has been done a thousand different times over the years; but well done on taking a light hearted comment and taking it completely out of context whilst simultaneously trying to label me a racist! That takes mad skills.

Blast Cannon wrote:
Oh, I hadn't seen this. So from your point of view I'm the racist for associating two characters displaying negative cultural stereotypes, typically of African-Americans, and identifying them as such?...

Yes.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Blast Cannon wrote:
Oh, I hadn't seen this. So from your point of view I'm the racist for associating two characters displaying negative cultural stereotypes, typically of African-Americans, and identifying them as such?...

Yes.

In which case you are an ill-informed moron.

You take two robots and you give them personalities that reflect 'hip-hop' and wannabe gangster characteristics, which are typically associated with African-Americans then you identify them as such. The reason why people do this is because it's ingrained in people by the media, of which Revenge of the Fallen was just the latest film to do. The fact that I have done this does not make me racist; there is a huge difference between acknowledging a stereotype and being approving of it. Unless you're a moron.

Blast Cannon wrote:Except one is about a panda who learns kung fu and the other is about an intergalactic civil war between transforming robots. Other than that you're completely right.

Details, details, only details... There is no reason why transforming Robots couldn't be changed into antropomorhpic animals, or Angels&Demons.

Blast Cannon wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Blast Cannon wrote:
Oh, I hadn't seen this. So from your point of view I'm the racist for associating two characters displaying negative cultural stereotypes, typically of African-Americans, and identifying them as such?...

Yes.

In which case you are an ill-informed moron.

You take two robots and you give them personalities that reflect 'hip-hop' and wannabe gangster characteristics, which are typically associated with African-Americans then you identify them as such. The reason why people do this is because it's ingrained in people by the media, of which Revenge of the Fallen was just the latest film to do. The fact that I have done this does not make me racist; there is a huge difference between acknowledging a stereotype and being approving of it. Unless you're a moron.

There is also a huge difference between giving those same personalities to African-American humans in a movie and giving them to green and orange alien robots that do not resemble humans whatsoever. Unless wearing green and orange is also a black stereotype that I'm not aware of. So basically, you're watching those two funny-looking robots and thinking "they're obviously supposed to be black because they're acting like this," when people like Justin Bieber pretty much act the same way.

OptiMagnus wrote:

Blast Cannon wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Blast Cannon wrote:
Oh, I hadn't seen this. So from your point of view I'm the racist for associating two characters displaying negative cultural stereotypes, typically of African-Americans, and identifying them as such?...

Yes.

In which case you are an ill-informed moron.

You take two robots and you give them personalities that reflect 'hip-hop' and wannabe gangster characteristics, which are typically associated with African-Americans then you identify them as such. The reason why people do this is because it's ingrained in people by the media, of which Revenge of the Fallen was just the latest film to do. The fact that I have done this does not make me racist; there is a huge difference between acknowledging a stereotype and being approving of it. Unless you're a moron.

There is also a huge difference between giving those same personalities to African-American humans in a movie and giving them to green and orange alien robots that do not resemble humans whatsoever. Unless wearing green and orange is also a black stereotype that I'm not aware of. So basically, you're watching those two funny-looking robots and thinking "they're obviously supposed to be black because they're acting like this," when people like Justin Bieber pretty much act the same way.

This is what I've been trying to say for years. But no one ever listens.

You people are taking my meaning out of context & twisting what I mean to something I did not originally stated.

What I mean by AOE is copying DOFP is they are basically using the same concepts. But regarding DOTFP it also has to do with 2 Time Lines. Being with the Younger X-Men in the 70's I think then Current Time with the Original Hugh Jackman X-Men.

I am saying their storyline similarities are similar. Being in X-Men you have The Humans wanting the Muntant Powers but wanting the Mutants themselves Extinct. Also creating the Powerful Sentinel Robots to keep the Mutants in check or have them Hunted down probably under the Government's order.

In DOFP you have Trask who makes the Sentinels he wants to end the Mutants somehow all of this will lead up to Apocalypse to which I am also hoping will be his 4 Horseman also. I assume during this scuffle in DOFP somehow Apocalypse will be awakened.

In AOE you have Kelsey's character Villan, He wants the Robotic Tech, But he wants the Transformers Destroyed. The Goverments are pissed cause of the events of DOTM in Chicago. So like the Decepticons the Autobots are now in Hiding.

So I am willing to bet That Kelsey has Government Help to make these Transformers. They wanna have the best & they wanna get rid of the Old. They also probably used Megatron's Remains to make these new Transformers to combat the Current Ones Fight Cybertronian with Cybertronian.

I am just making a Point that both AOE & DOFP are using similar stories while I think both of these movies will be awesome this summer along with Galaxy of the Gaurdians & Captain America.

My Comic Book Geekness Kicked in & I noticed the same pattern with AOE & DOFP.

Transfan since 1984 to 2014 = 30 Years I will never Quit.

Blast Cannon wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Blast Cannon wrote:
Oh, I hadn't seen this. So from your point of view I'm the racist for associating two characters displaying negative cultural stereotypes, typically of African-Americans, and identifying them as such?...

Yes.

In which case you are an ill-informed moron.

You take two robots and you give them personalities that reflect 'hip-hop' and wannabe gangster characteristics, which are typically associated with African-Americans then you identify them as such. The reason why people do this is because it's ingrained in people by the media, of which Revenge of the Fallen was just the latest film to do. The fact that I have done this does not make me racist; there is a huge difference between acknowledging a stereotype and being approving of it. Unless you're a moron.

As an African American, i take offense to people like yourself that choose to accociate these negative stereotypes with african americans. And please don't use the media as an excuse. That is moronic and an excuse for your own ignorance. Decide things for yourself. Your the one that saw these two green and orange robots and decided to relate that to black people.

All I'm gonna add is Transformers:AOE and X-Men:DOFP are both gonna rock!!