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Re: Brainstorm's Workshop
Let's discuss storyline then.
I'll bet the Insecticons are going to be immediately dismissed from the Decepticon ranks.
Maybe they can escape to Polyhex. Most of the seekers are there right? Starscream is probably with them then right? And the Sweeps are a major threat to the Seekers' position in the Decepticon ranks right?
Maybe the Insecticons can rouse the Seekers to rebellion. Maybe they can convince Starscream or any number of other Seekers that they(Insecticons) themselves have already been replaced and that the Seekers could be next. Perhaps we could get a small Decepticon civil war going. Then maybe we could finally have that Seeker vs Sweep battle that many want to happen.
Maybe the Autobots capitalized on the confusion. Maybe they could go on the offensive, forcing the Decepticons to reunite in order to keep their territory, and forcing the Seekers and Sweeps to grudgingly fight side-by-side.
And maybe I need to stop thinking on such a large scale. But I would love for something big to happen since I wasn't here for the seige of Polyhex.
I'll bet the Insecticons are going to be immediately dismissed from the Decepticon ranks.
Maybe they can escape to Polyhex. Most of the seekers are there right? Starscream is probably with them then right? And the Sweeps are a major threat to the Seekers' position in the Decepticon ranks right?
Maybe the Insecticons can rouse the Seekers to rebellion. Maybe they can convince Starscream or any number of other Seekers that they(Insecticons) themselves have already been replaced and that the Seekers could be next. Perhaps we could get a small Decepticon civil war going. Then maybe we could finally have that Seeker vs Sweep battle that many want to happen.
Maybe the Autobots capitalized on the confusion. Maybe they could go on the offensive, forcing the Decepticons to reunite in order to keep their territory, and forcing the Seekers and Sweeps to grudgingly fight side-by-side.
And maybe I need to stop thinking on such a large scale. But I would love for something big to happen since I wasn't here for the seige of Polyhex.
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Actually, the Insecticons wouldn't have to be dismissed. Only Shrapnel started it, so he could leave. Other than that, it's a pretty good plan.
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The Insecticons are not going to be dismissed from the Decepticons.
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Devastron wrote:The Insecticons are not going to be dismissed from the Decepticons.
whew, that's a relief.
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Devastron wrote:The Insecticons are not going to be dismissed from the Decepticons.
Well this screws up all my arrangements...

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Ok, here's an idea...
An autobot NPC designs a superweapon intended to scare the decepticons into surrendering. The Insecticons kidnap the scientist and steal the disk (3 guesses as to what color it is) with the design in it. Construction of the weapon begins in polyhex, and the autobots launch a major assault to stop the weapon. Either way, the weapon is destroyed, but the sweeps would be called in to fend off the autobots, thus setting off a seeker/sweep rivalry. Any ideas as to improve my idea, or is it unworkable/great?
An autobot NPC designs a superweapon intended to scare the decepticons into surrendering. The Insecticons kidnap the scientist and steal the disk (3 guesses as to what color it is) with the design in it. Construction of the weapon begins in polyhex, and the autobots launch a major assault to stop the weapon. Either way, the weapon is destroyed, but the sweeps would be called in to fend off the autobots, thus setting off a seeker/sweep rivalry. Any ideas as to improve my idea, or is it unworkable/great?
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I don't know if that works. If the weapon is that great, then Megatron would probably build it somewhere safe like Kolkular. Kolkular is almost impenetrable and I would imagine it has great facilities for building a superweapon. Besides, Polyhex is Seeker ground, and you know Megatron isn't letting Starscream handle something like that.
Still, I'd love for the Decepticons to have a superweapon at some point, even briefly. Something like that would really raise the stakes of the war and give the game an urgent feel don't you think?
Still, I'd love for the Decepticons to have a superweapon at some point, even briefly. Something like that would really raise the stakes of the war and give the game an urgent feel don't you think?
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With the loss at moon base Alpha still in her mind, and with her recent promotion Discord has a plan.
She wants to approach Scourge and propose a plan to send a message to Iacon and/or Nova Cronum and issue a challenge of combat to "the Autobot Twins" (Sunstreaker and Sideswipe) that they fought on the moon.
Why? She has a good feeling Scourge, and Torment want to take a crack at them, and so does she, and the odds aren't good that they'll run into each other just warring.
Realizing that she can't be taken seriously challenging a 3 Vs 2 combat with odds in the Sweeps favor, and that odds are really good that the other Sweeps want to be involved, she decides to have a 6 on 6 battle (Seven Vs Seven if Blackguard can/wants to manage his way to Kaon by orders, or on his own initiative.) to make things even and appealing to the warrior's instinct.
The challenge is an honest, genuine one and Discord has no tricks up her sleeve, no desire to make an ambush, etc. (But others might have differing ideas.), though she isn't above suggesting that the challenge play upon the gladiator spirit of Sunstreaker (She saw their data before the exercise in Sonic Canyons, FYI.) and the Ego in general goading them into it.
Initially she'll propose that the battlefield will be Sonic Canyons, an old gladiatorial pit, or where ever Scourge wants it to be if he has other plans.
She'll want the Sweeps involved to be Scourge, Torment, Herself, Turmoil, Rage, and Macabre. She might try and grab Blackguard, or he can get to Kaon and join them. If other players pick up Sweeps (There's more than a few left!!) they can join up and hse'll adjust her plans accoridngly.
If approved, she'll invite the "Twins" Sunstreaker and Sideswipe to bring along who ever they see fit, as long as it's 6 or 7 total with the twins included. She has no vendettas against the other Autobots, but a fair fight is most likely to be accepted, and it's more appealing to her.
After that she'll set a time for the battle, and a locale to meet at.
There is the possibility of a tournament styled battle.
Of course, any sweep player that doesn't want to be involved is free to decline (though their character might take some flak over it.), and ideally the Autobots joining the twins will be volunteers.
If the higher ups on either side decide to make a trap of some sort, it'll be out of her hands, but odds are good she'll keep reinforcements at the ready, but she won't drag them into the fray unless the Autobots pull a dirty trick which she thinks is beneath them.
She wants to approach Scourge and propose a plan to send a message to Iacon and/or Nova Cronum and issue a challenge of combat to "the Autobot Twins" (Sunstreaker and Sideswipe) that they fought on the moon.
Why? She has a good feeling Scourge, and Torment want to take a crack at them, and so does she, and the odds aren't good that they'll run into each other just warring.
Realizing that she can't be taken seriously challenging a 3 Vs 2 combat with odds in the Sweeps favor, and that odds are really good that the other Sweeps want to be involved, she decides to have a 6 on 6 battle (Seven Vs Seven if Blackguard can/wants to manage his way to Kaon by orders, or on his own initiative.) to make things even and appealing to the warrior's instinct.
The challenge is an honest, genuine one and Discord has no tricks up her sleeve, no desire to make an ambush, etc. (But others might have differing ideas.), though she isn't above suggesting that the challenge play upon the gladiator spirit of Sunstreaker (She saw their data before the exercise in Sonic Canyons, FYI.) and the Ego in general goading them into it.
Initially she'll propose that the battlefield will be Sonic Canyons, an old gladiatorial pit, or where ever Scourge wants it to be if he has other plans.
She'll want the Sweeps involved to be Scourge, Torment, Herself, Turmoil, Rage, and Macabre. She might try and grab Blackguard, or he can get to Kaon and join them. If other players pick up Sweeps (There's more than a few left!!) they can join up and hse'll adjust her plans accoridngly.
If approved, she'll invite the "Twins" Sunstreaker and Sideswipe to bring along who ever they see fit, as long as it's 6 or 7 total with the twins included. She has no vendettas against the other Autobots, but a fair fight is most likely to be accepted, and it's more appealing to her.
After that she'll set a time for the battle, and a locale to meet at.
There is the possibility of a tournament styled battle.
Of course, any sweep player that doesn't want to be involved is free to decline (though their character might take some flak over it.), and ideally the Autobots joining the twins will be volunteers.
If the higher ups on either side decide to make a trap of some sort, it'll be out of her hands, but odds are good she'll keep reinforcements at the ready, but she won't drag them into the fray unless the Autobots pull a dirty trick which she thinks is beneath them.
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While I'm sure Blackguard would be up for some 'honorable' combat, getting 14 characters to keep a secret about doing something that'll get people in a whole lot of trouble on either side isn't the greatest move ever. Also, the Sweeps are supposed to be hunters, rather than stand-and-fight-ers (as Blackguard proved recently). I think subterfuge to draw Sunstreaker out, then a kind of pack hunt of him and his allies, would suit the Sweeps more.
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It may not be that known but Reforge is also a sweep, a surgical sweep. Being such, he'ld likely decline to fight, except he'ld want to save face with the others.
I'ld think an "honorable" 3 on 3 turning into a 7 on 3 would be more fitting of the pack. The lambo bros would be in for a lot of hurt if not for... an allie or two trailing them... like tigertracks
I'ld think an "honorable" 3 on 3 turning into a 7 on 3 would be more fitting of the pack. The lambo bros would be in for a lot of hurt if not for... an allie or two trailing them... like tigertracks

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Who says it has to be secret, or get the teams in trouble? It's highly unlikely that the Sweeps know where the twins are, or their radio frequency to contact them directly so they might just broadcast in general, or send a messenger. Odds are high the upper ranks will find out about it on the Autobot side as the message will get to them sooner or later, and Scourge is upper rank so he'd know already.
In the right light, these are golden opportunities, but I can't dictate the reasoning of any characters but my own.
But for instance, Prime could use this as a morale booster if the Autobots win, a way to gather Intel on the Sweeps, or if things work out just right, capture a Sweep.
Scourge and Megatron could allow this for similar reasons.
Revenge could easily play into things. After all the Sweeps put the twins in the CR chambers a while and nearly killed them, and the twins managed to do some damage to the Sweeps. Scourge went as far as to keep the scar on his face he got from Sunstreaker.
The battle could even be televised to boost morale on a wide scale, or at least recorded, and replayed as a trophy of victory, or as a reminder of failure.
The battle means some capable units are away from their armies and that means a potential gap in defenses for either side meaning a tactical advantage for someone.
There's other reasons, I'm sure.
As for Discord, she not only wants revenge, but to "let the hounds run" so to speak, and let them have an opportunity to fight and raise morale instead of getting left out and getting angry. Further if it makes Scourge happy (Or as close to happy as he gets!
) all the better. Also it would help cement her role as XO of the Sweeps especially if the Sweeps won.
A big reason Discord wants a numerically even match is to show that they don't need to outnumber their enemy to win.
Of course if handled wrong there could be trouble, obviously.
Sunstreaker and Sideswipe could disobey Prime who flatly says no about the large scale duel and go anyhow with a team, or even just the two of them. It's the sort of reckless things they'd do. Especially because Discord plans to play upon their egos, and goad them into taking the bait.
I doubt Scourge would get in trouble with Megatron no matter what unless he lost in a bad way as he's a high ranking officer, or Megatron says no to this for what ever reason. Scourge could potentially get in trouble somehow, but with the recent Insecticon problems odds are Scourge will be careful about this if he needs to be.
Discord isn't going to do this without Scourge's blessings, and most importantly, his presence. It means the failure isn't squarely on her, and the fact that Scourge is an ace in the hole really helps the plan.
I'd think each and every Sweep is a competent warrior due to some extent as the hunter should be able to kill their prey. Scourge would possibly take up slacking warriors since he's one of the more powerful transformers.
Further a hunter need to not only be able to track and kill, but bait and snare their prey to be a well rounded hunter. Make the prey come to them, and have the patience for the wait.
Baiting the Autobots into the Sweeps' terms is a smarter move than to try and track the twins down in Autobot territory and running the deadly gauntlet in this instance, I think.
Also, she's not going to limit the methods of battle to melee only or something like this since she's fully aware that the Sweeps are not all skilled in that area. It'll be a planned battle more than anything.
The notion of calling them out would pretty much do the same job as subterfuge by drawing them out, it's just more.. blunt.
Still, if the Autobots are paranoid enough they could easily see it as a trap of some sort and have a backup plan. And if there's too many cooks in the kitchen on the Decepticon side, it will be a trap.
As towards Reforge, I wasn't aware he is a sweep, and I apologize for not noticing. Discord may let him stay out of the fight if for anything to be there to patch up the Sweeps after the battle. She won't be completely thrilled but Medics are of high value.
Note to self, Make a list of all played Sweeps. Hehe
TigerTrack isn't being played as far as I know, but it would certainly be wise for the Twins to cover their bases with who they bring along. If they don't then they might find the Sweeps hitting their weak strategy with a strong counter strategy and winning.
Then again, if the Twins bring a lot of high strength allies, that means they won't be avaliable elsewhere if they're needed.
In the right light, these are golden opportunities, but I can't dictate the reasoning of any characters but my own.
But for instance, Prime could use this as a morale booster if the Autobots win, a way to gather Intel on the Sweeps, or if things work out just right, capture a Sweep.
Scourge and Megatron could allow this for similar reasons.
Revenge could easily play into things. After all the Sweeps put the twins in the CR chambers a while and nearly killed them, and the twins managed to do some damage to the Sweeps. Scourge went as far as to keep the scar on his face he got from Sunstreaker.
The battle could even be televised to boost morale on a wide scale, or at least recorded, and replayed as a trophy of victory, or as a reminder of failure.
The battle means some capable units are away from their armies and that means a potential gap in defenses for either side meaning a tactical advantage for someone.
There's other reasons, I'm sure.
As for Discord, she not only wants revenge, but to "let the hounds run" so to speak, and let them have an opportunity to fight and raise morale instead of getting left out and getting angry. Further if it makes Scourge happy (Or as close to happy as he gets!

A big reason Discord wants a numerically even match is to show that they don't need to outnumber their enemy to win.
Of course if handled wrong there could be trouble, obviously.
Sunstreaker and Sideswipe could disobey Prime who flatly says no about the large scale duel and go anyhow with a team, or even just the two of them. It's the sort of reckless things they'd do. Especially because Discord plans to play upon their egos, and goad them into taking the bait.
I doubt Scourge would get in trouble with Megatron no matter what unless he lost in a bad way as he's a high ranking officer, or Megatron says no to this for what ever reason. Scourge could potentially get in trouble somehow, but with the recent Insecticon problems odds are Scourge will be careful about this if he needs to be.
Discord isn't going to do this without Scourge's blessings, and most importantly, his presence. It means the failure isn't squarely on her, and the fact that Scourge is an ace in the hole really helps the plan.
I'd think each and every Sweep is a competent warrior due to some extent as the hunter should be able to kill their prey. Scourge would possibly take up slacking warriors since he's one of the more powerful transformers.
Further a hunter need to not only be able to track and kill, but bait and snare their prey to be a well rounded hunter. Make the prey come to them, and have the patience for the wait.
Baiting the Autobots into the Sweeps' terms is a smarter move than to try and track the twins down in Autobot territory and running the deadly gauntlet in this instance, I think.
Also, she's not going to limit the methods of battle to melee only or something like this since she's fully aware that the Sweeps are not all skilled in that area. It'll be a planned battle more than anything.
The notion of calling them out would pretty much do the same job as subterfuge by drawing them out, it's just more.. blunt.
Still, if the Autobots are paranoid enough they could easily see it as a trap of some sort and have a backup plan. And if there's too many cooks in the kitchen on the Decepticon side, it will be a trap.
As towards Reforge, I wasn't aware he is a sweep, and I apologize for not noticing. Discord may let him stay out of the fight if for anything to be there to patch up the Sweeps after the battle. She won't be completely thrilled but Medics are of high value.
Note to self, Make a list of all played Sweeps. Hehe
TigerTrack isn't being played as far as I know, but it would certainly be wise for the Twins to cover their bases with who they bring along. If they don't then they might find the Sweeps hitting their weak strategy with a strong counter strategy and winning.
Then again, if the Twins bring a lot of high strength allies, that means they won't be avaliable elsewhere if they're needed.
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How does Venom figure into all this? At the moment he's got an uneasy alliance with the Sweeps in the works. How about he helps the sweeps in exchange for them helping him off Shrapnel?
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To put it bluntly, Venom doesn't figure into this at all. Discord won't allow Venom to get involved, or anyone else that's not as Sweep as far as Decepticons go unless Scourge says otherwise.
It's a personal matter between the Sweeps and the Autobot Twins.
If she felt she could leave out everyone but Scourge, Torment, herself, Sunstreaker, and Sideswipe she would, but if she does the other Sweeps will possibly feel they got the shaft, and she's loose points as a XO, and to go in 3 on 2 would counteract her attempt at a show of power because the Sweeps would have an advantage.
The plan isn't in effect yet, however, I'm hoping more of the players I'd like to involve, and the mods will offer input on the plan.
Until then Venom, or anyone else can interact with the Sweeps.
It's a personal matter between the Sweeps and the Autobot Twins.
If she felt she could leave out everyone but Scourge, Torment, herself, Sunstreaker, and Sideswipe she would, but if she does the other Sweeps will possibly feel they got the shaft, and she's loose points as a XO, and to go in 3 on 2 would counteract her attempt at a show of power because the Sweeps would have an advantage.
The plan isn't in effect yet, however, I'm hoping more of the players I'd like to involve, and the mods will offer input on the plan.
Until then Venom, or anyone else can interact with the Sweeps.
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I'm not so sure about this idea. It's cool but I don't see either side justifying it. Neither side could be sure there wouldn't be an ambush. The only way to get around that would be for each side to secretly bring reinforcements. Of course if things got out of hand and the reinforcements had to be called in things could get pretty interesting.
I also don't see the Decepticons just sending a messenger into Autobot territory for obvious reasons...This is Iacon!!!
But what about Scourge's idea for getting revenge on the Autobot twins? Even though the training exercise went kablooey none of the "Autobots" were able to escape the canyon. Surely Scourge won't scrap the plan just because the insecticons interupted the training exercise. Even though the insecticons proved the danger of the Autobot twins summoning reinforcements, the training exercise didn't take into account the sweeps' ability to retreat if need be.
I also don't see the Decepticons just sending a messenger into Autobot territory for obvious reasons...This is Iacon!!!
But what about Scourge's idea for getting revenge on the Autobot twins? Even though the training exercise went kablooey none of the "Autobots" were able to escape the canyon. Surely Scourge won't scrap the plan just because the insecticons interupted the training exercise. Even though the insecticons proved the danger of the Autobot twins summoning reinforcements, the training exercise didn't take into account the sweeps' ability to retreat if need be.
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I really don't see an 'official' tournament being allowed by the Autobot command. It's not like Heavy Metal War, where the 2 autobot leaders were supposed to be settling things once and for all, it's just a personal vendetta, and Prime wouldn't allow the Twins to indulge that. I'm pretty sure you'd have to go the "Twins hear about it and head off on their own" angle, possibly with some autobots in pursuit to bring them back/get them out of trouble.
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Rebel Raven wrote:I suppose my idea wouldn't work I guess.
Was worth a pass by, I suppose.
Every idea is.
Personally, I'd prefer the Autobot twins' next encounter with the sweeps be accidental.
Maybe we could have a scenario where some kind of mission involving several Autobots and the Sweeps goes horribly wrong, trapping the Autobot Twins and the Sweeps in a situation where they have to work together to escape, kind of like what happened to Ultra Magnus and Cyclonus in "The Killing Jar", if I recall correctly. It would be a dillema for the Sweeps to have to decide whether to continue trying to get revenge or work with their worst enemies. Oh sweet irony.
Of course, working together would not necessarily mean they get along, which could result in some Rattrap/Dinobot-esque dialogue

The main reason I'm suggesting this is because I love irony. But my other reason is that we can't just drop the Sweeps/Autobot Twins plot without resolving it or sending it to new levels.
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OK, Now for something completely different. The exile of Venom from the insecticons leads up to a lot of intresting possibilities. However, I already had one scenario. I was thinking along the lines of Starscream's Brigade, where Venom would help form a group of decepticons to help him remove shrapnel. The other plan would involve Venom tagging along for whatever the insecticons are doing and try to sabatoge the mission to make Shrapnel seem lika failure. Anybody else got any ideas?
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While I have a few very good ideas for some 'would be insecticons' not all the actual insecticons are currently be played... and Fanmades really shouldn't be intro'd just for fodder. So I wouldn't feel right bring them in.JaAm wrote:OK, Now for something completely different. The exile of Venom from the insecticons leads up to a lot of interesting possibilities. However, I already had one scenario. I was thinking along the lines of Starscream's Brigade, where Venom would help form a group of Decepticons to help him remove shrapnel. The other plan would involve Venom tagging along for whatever the insecticons are doing and try to sabatoge the mission to make Shrapnel seem lika failure. Anybody else got any ideas?
I'm not sure how many currently played cons would fit into the "I'll work for Venom" scenario so the other (team sabotage) is your best bet. However getting back into the insecticon team justt to undermine there effectiveness would likely get Venom killed by his fellow buggy assassins, friend or otherwise.
Perhaps prove his worth away from them so that higherups force the insecticons to take him back and strengthen the unit. Absence makes the spark grow fonder

If shrapnel happens to be forced into a "I gotta trust Venom" scenario he'll expect betrayal. It might be better to gain Shrapnel's trust before spiking his energon

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Let me clarify. There is no way Venom will be let back into the Insecticons for a while, after his last order. I was viewing him as an outside influence for a while. When I meant sabatoging the mission, I meant him hiding along, then cause things to go wrong at the wrong times, without being directly seen. the mission would fail, and Shrapnel would be blamed. As for the idea that not many 'Cons would work for Venom, with the new commander already proving that he will eagerly attack allies combined with his already bloodthirsty demeanor, I think several 'Cons may (grudgingly) side with Venom. With the Sweep's idea unworkable, maybe his alliance with them can be resumed.
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I wouldn't call the idea of working with the Sweeps unworkable, unless you've already spoken with Scourge's player, or a mod and got a definite no.
Discord may not like Venom, but it's still not her call when it comes to the alliance.
Granted her plot to draw out the Autobot Twins wouldn't involve Venom as it's a matter of personal revenge/honor, that doesn't mean that he can't be a part of other plans.
Discord still wants to help lead the Sweeps against the Insecticons who asasulted them, and harmed the pride of the team.
Also Scourge might see fit to include Venom in other plans.
But I can't speak for Scourge's role in things, though.
Discord may not like Venom, but it's still not her call when it comes to the alliance.
Granted her plot to draw out the Autobot Twins wouldn't involve Venom as it's a matter of personal revenge/honor, that doesn't mean that he can't be a part of other plans.
Discord still wants to help lead the Sweeps against the Insecticons who asasulted them, and harmed the pride of the team.
Also Scourge might see fit to include Venom in other plans.
But I can't speak for Scourge's role in things, though.
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I don't know how Venom could fit into the Sweeps' plans. If the Sweeps fought the Insecticons again they would be better prepared and would be in proper numbers from the start. Plus they would have Turmoil, who wasn't there before and is undoubtedly very dangerous on the battlefield. The Sweeps don't exectly need Venom's help.
Poor Venom's really a man without a land isn't he?
A Venom's Brigade is more likely. After all, there are already 3 fanmades that have a score to settle with the Shrapnel-led Insecticons. I'm sure Swiftscreech hasn't forgiven Chop Shop for removing his face, and Aftershock certainly didn't appreciate Barrage nearly annihilating him.
Of course, Venom's army had to be fellow Insecticons, Salvo Shothole and Zaptrap could always be used
Poor Venom's really a man without a land isn't he?
A Venom's Brigade is more likely. After all, there are already 3 fanmades that have a score to settle with the Shrapnel-led Insecticons. I'm sure Swiftscreech hasn't forgiven Chop Shop for removing his face, and Aftershock certainly didn't appreciate Barrage nearly annihilating him.
Of course, Venom's army had to be fellow Insecticons, Salvo Shothole and Zaptrap could always be used

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I wouldn't mind seeing the Sweeps do something other than plot revenge on every Transformer that has ever looked at them cross eyed.
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Re: Brainstorm's Workshop
Well, if Aftershock, Swiftscreech, and/or Rancid want revenge on the Insecticons, then they have ample opportunity to volunteer to help the Sweeps as Venom had. Discord will mention them and Scourge or Discord may enlist them if they feel they can add to the plans, or Venom himself could enlist them to his cause.
Shothole, Salvo, and Snaptrap are pretty much mindless clones of the three original Insecticons, and are fairly unlikely to be under the control of anyone else but the ones they're cloned from.
However, Dirge, Buzzclaw, and Virulent clones if allowed, can be candidates for Venom's force, and add fuel to the fire of the Insecticon Civil War. But those are post G-1.
I wouldn't say that the Sweeps plots for revenge are that broad. It's pretty much a hunt for those that hurt the pride of the Sweeps more than others.
If it was as broad as any Autobot that ever looked at them funny, they'd probably be singling out the Dinobots as well as the twins since they were the force that arrived and turned the tide of battle on the moon.
The problem is the Sweeps don't know where the Dinobots are should they go after them, or the Twins for that matter meaning they have to plot a bit more to go after them effectively.
Simply deploying to hunt them down means they'd pretty much have to assault the Autobot territories and hope they get lucky. That means running a gauntlet of Autobot defenses. Maybe taking squadrons of Sweeps with them to help with the gauntlet which may be feasible.
If they're going through all that trouble they may as well try to take the territory while seeking revenge. Which isn't a bad idea, I think. I'm pretty sure the Decepticons have lead an assault for less.
The Insecticons are on their list of Prey, too, make no mistake, but they're second on Discord's list of revenge since she feels the Insecticons are easier to track down since they won't have to run a gauntlet of Autobot defenses to find them for one thing.
That and she feels infighting is a waste of time, and resources, and thus detrimental to the Empire she's loyal to. Maybe even treasonous.
Furthermore, attacking the Insecticons for revenge would be asking for trouble from the higher ups. I.E. Megatron. Especially if the Sweeps attack with deadly force and odds are they will.
Discord may feel justified in the execution of the Insecticons for their rebellious nature.
Still, it'll come to swatting the Insecticons eventually, and the longer she bides her time the less the Insecticons expect the revenge when it comes, and if the Insecticons aren't expecting it, then it's really a dose of their own medicine.
To get by the high probability of losing their good standing in the empire means they have to be careful about things as opposed to blindly rushing them. A plan like that is grand, but not quite as grand as having to assault an Autobot Territory.
Thirdly, Discord knows Scourge is the strongest Sweep, and she would assume, rightly, Scourge is far and away stronger than any Insecticon, or the Twins. Having him there is certainly going to be a trump card on top of having numbers. Discord knows Scourge has motive or at least going after the twins. That's not to say she's using Scourge, or manipulating him. She's working towards his benefit, and wouldn't dream of depriving Scourge of his revenge on Sunstreaker.
I don't believe the XO is autonomous enough to lead the troops into a grand plan to attack Autobots and/or seek the downfall of the Insecticons without clearing it with the CO since attacking like that without Scourge's approval for any plan will likely make Scourge look bad if they fail, and maybe even if they win simply because they made their move without his approval. That means Scourge is certainly going to take his anger out on the Sweeps which makes Discord look bad because she lead them to one or two beat downs. Discord has plans to not only make certain she is an XO to be proud of, but also to look good doing it.
All in all, Discord, being pretty smart, isn't going to just charge into ill conceived plans like a maniac and risk getting scrapped (That's Rage's job.
), or loosing her position, or looking bad.
Keep in mind that it hasn't been that long since the skirmish with the Insecticons in game time, or the battle on the moon or that matter. Even less time since she became Sub-commander. She needs time to put together plans for revenge. On top of that her numbers aren't at 100% as some Sweeps need repairs. I'd like to think she's not idiotic enough to go into combat with wounded soldiers, and that she'll go into battle without taking her best, and hoping for some overkill, and considerate enough to not deprive her best, and CO of their revenge.
Discord relies on plans because she absolutely -has- to be cautious as she's the least equipped Sweep, less durable than most Sweeps, and not as strong as most Sweeps. Granted she has the firepower to be impressive, but she doesn't really have the skill to use it as well as others as far as accuracy goes. Her mind and charisma are her greatest weapons, and she's smart enough to use them instead of getting over confident and thinking she can go punch per punch with he likes of Grimlock, or Optimus Prime.
Personally, I'd like to think there's nothing wrong with an intelligent villain that does more than "RAAR!! SMASH!! SMASH'EM GOOD!!!" attacking recklessly, and possibly screwing up more than they would with a level headed approach.
Having thought about it as I typed, maybe there could be a plan to kill two birds with one stone, formulating an attack on Autobot territory to hunt down the Autobots they seek revenge on, and maybe take the territory, but with the team are the Insecticons. With their numbers made up of themselves, and their drones, they'd be able to strike hard.
Of course, with the recent tension between the 2 forces they could try and make sure their enemies don't leave the field alive via "friendly" fire. Thing is this plan has a very high probability of backfiring.
It'd be almost embarrassing if Discord thought up this plan, then put it into action, and didn't have a backup plan to beat the slag out of the Insecticons as a contingency plan.
Still, Scourge has his plan in mind, and Discord won't go against it unless she's given permission. A win is a win.
Shothole, Salvo, and Snaptrap are pretty much mindless clones of the three original Insecticons, and are fairly unlikely to be under the control of anyone else but the ones they're cloned from.
However, Dirge, Buzzclaw, and Virulent clones if allowed, can be candidates for Venom's force, and add fuel to the fire of the Insecticon Civil War. But those are post G-1.
I wouldn't say that the Sweeps plots for revenge are that broad. It's pretty much a hunt for those that hurt the pride of the Sweeps more than others.
If it was as broad as any Autobot that ever looked at them funny, they'd probably be singling out the Dinobots as well as the twins since they were the force that arrived and turned the tide of battle on the moon.
The problem is the Sweeps don't know where the Dinobots are should they go after them, or the Twins for that matter meaning they have to plot a bit more to go after them effectively.
Simply deploying to hunt them down means they'd pretty much have to assault the Autobot territories and hope they get lucky. That means running a gauntlet of Autobot defenses. Maybe taking squadrons of Sweeps with them to help with the gauntlet which may be feasible.
If they're going through all that trouble they may as well try to take the territory while seeking revenge. Which isn't a bad idea, I think. I'm pretty sure the Decepticons have lead an assault for less.
The Insecticons are on their list of Prey, too, make no mistake, but they're second on Discord's list of revenge since she feels the Insecticons are easier to track down since they won't have to run a gauntlet of Autobot defenses to find them for one thing.
That and she feels infighting is a waste of time, and resources, and thus detrimental to the Empire she's loyal to. Maybe even treasonous.
Furthermore, attacking the Insecticons for revenge would be asking for trouble from the higher ups. I.E. Megatron. Especially if the Sweeps attack with deadly force and odds are they will.
Discord may feel justified in the execution of the Insecticons for their rebellious nature.
Still, it'll come to swatting the Insecticons eventually, and the longer she bides her time the less the Insecticons expect the revenge when it comes, and if the Insecticons aren't expecting it, then it's really a dose of their own medicine.
To get by the high probability of losing their good standing in the empire means they have to be careful about things as opposed to blindly rushing them. A plan like that is grand, but not quite as grand as having to assault an Autobot Territory.
Thirdly, Discord knows Scourge is the strongest Sweep, and she would assume, rightly, Scourge is far and away stronger than any Insecticon, or the Twins. Having him there is certainly going to be a trump card on top of having numbers. Discord knows Scourge has motive or at least going after the twins. That's not to say she's using Scourge, or manipulating him. She's working towards his benefit, and wouldn't dream of depriving Scourge of his revenge on Sunstreaker.
I don't believe the XO is autonomous enough to lead the troops into a grand plan to attack Autobots and/or seek the downfall of the Insecticons without clearing it with the CO since attacking like that without Scourge's approval for any plan will likely make Scourge look bad if they fail, and maybe even if they win simply because they made their move without his approval. That means Scourge is certainly going to take his anger out on the Sweeps which makes Discord look bad because she lead them to one or two beat downs. Discord has plans to not only make certain she is an XO to be proud of, but also to look good doing it.
All in all, Discord, being pretty smart, isn't going to just charge into ill conceived plans like a maniac and risk getting scrapped (That's Rage's job.

Keep in mind that it hasn't been that long since the skirmish with the Insecticons in game time, or the battle on the moon or that matter. Even less time since she became Sub-commander. She needs time to put together plans for revenge. On top of that her numbers aren't at 100% as some Sweeps need repairs. I'd like to think she's not idiotic enough to go into combat with wounded soldiers, and that she'll go into battle without taking her best, and hoping for some overkill, and considerate enough to not deprive her best, and CO of their revenge.
Discord relies on plans because she absolutely -has- to be cautious as she's the least equipped Sweep, less durable than most Sweeps, and not as strong as most Sweeps. Granted she has the firepower to be impressive, but she doesn't really have the skill to use it as well as others as far as accuracy goes. Her mind and charisma are her greatest weapons, and she's smart enough to use them instead of getting over confident and thinking she can go punch per punch with he likes of Grimlock, or Optimus Prime.
Personally, I'd like to think there's nothing wrong with an intelligent villain that does more than "RAAR!! SMASH!! SMASH'EM GOOD!!!" attacking recklessly, and possibly screwing up more than they would with a level headed approach.
Having thought about it as I typed, maybe there could be a plan to kill two birds with one stone, formulating an attack on Autobot territory to hunt down the Autobots they seek revenge on, and maybe take the territory, but with the team are the Insecticons. With their numbers made up of themselves, and their drones, they'd be able to strike hard.
Of course, with the recent tension between the 2 forces they could try and make sure their enemies don't leave the field alive via "friendly" fire. Thing is this plan has a very high probability of backfiring.
It'd be almost embarrassing if Discord thought up this plan, then put it into action, and didn't have a backup plan to beat the slag out of the Insecticons as a contingency plan.
Still, Scourge has his plan in mind, and Discord won't go against it unless she's given permission. A win is a win.
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Re: Brainstorm's Workshop
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Rebel Raven wrote:Well, if Aftershock, Swiftscreech, and/or Rancid want revenge on the Insecticons, then they have ample opportunity to volunteer to help the Sweeps as Venom had. Discord will mention them and Scourge or Discord may enlist them if they feel they can add to the plans, or Venom himself could enlist them to his cause.
Shothole, Salvo, and Snaptrap are pretty much mindless clones of the three original Insecticons, and are fairly unlikely to be under the control of anyone else but the ones they're cloned from.
However, Dirge, Buzzclaw, and Virulent clones if allowed, can be candidates for Venom's force, and add fuel to the fire of the Insecticon Civil War. But those are post G-1.
No clones.
I wouldn't say that the Sweeps plots for revenge are that broad. It's pretty much a hunt for those that hurt the pride of the Sweeps more than others.
Explain to me how Sunstreaker and Sideswipe 'hurt the pride' of the Sweeps? As I recall, they both got thoroughly trashed and were barely functional after the battle compared to the Sweeps flying back to base with few problems. I would think it would be Sunstreaker and Sideswipe who want revenge.
If it was as broad as any Autobot that ever looked at them funny, they'd probably be singling out the Dinobots as well as the twins since they were the force that arrived and turned the tide of battle on the moon.
The problem is the Sweeps don't know where the Dinobots are should they go after them, or the Twins for that matter meaning they have to plot a bit more to go after them effectively.
Simply deploying to hunt them down means they'd pretty much have to assault the Autobot territories and hope they get lucky. That means running a gauntlet of Autobot defenses. Maybe taking squadrons of Sweeps with them to help with the gauntlet which may be feasible.
If they're going through all that trouble they may as well try to take the territory while seeking revenge. Which isn't a bad idea, I think. I'm pretty sure the Decepticons have lead an assault for less.
First you say they shouldn't hunt down the Dinobots, then you start developing a plan for it. High Command isn't going to ok a major assault to protect the pride of some lower ranking soldiers.
The Insecticons are on their list of Prey, too, make no mistake, but they're second on Discord's list of revenge since she feels the Insecticons are easier to track down since they won't have to run a gauntlet of Autobot defenses to find them for one thing.
That and she feels infighting is a waste of time, and resources, and thus detrimental to the Empire she's loyal to. Maybe even treasonous.
Furthermore, attacking the Insecticons for revenge would be asking for trouble from the higher ups. I.E. Megatron. Especially if the Sweeps attack with deadly force and odds are they will.
Discord may feel justified in the execution of the Insecticons for their rebellious nature.
Discord will find herself promptly executed if she oversteps her boundaries to that extent. A planned and deadly assault on the Insecticons will have hard repercussions. Brawling and infighting similar to what the Insecticons did on the Sweeps is tolerated to an extent but a planned and deadly assault won't be.
Still, it'll come to swatting the Insecticons eventually, and the longer she bides her time the less the Insecticons expect the revenge when it comes, and if the Insecticons aren't expecting it, then it's really a dose of their own medicine.
To get by the high probability of losing their good standing in the empire means they have to be careful about things as opposed to blindly rushing them. A plan like that is grand, but not quite as grand as having to assault an Autobot Territory.
Thirdly, Discord knows Scourge is the strongest Sweep, and she would assume, rightly, Scourge is far and away stronger than any Insecticon, or the Twins. Having him there is certainly going to be a trump card on top of having numbers. Discord knows Scourge has motive or at least going after the twins. That's not to say she's using Scourge, or manipulating him. She's working towards his benefit, and wouldn't dream of depriving Scourge of his revenge on Sunstreaker.
Scourge should be smart and loyal enough to know that the good of the Empire comes above his personal vendettas.
I don't believe the XO is autonomous enough to lead the troops into a grand plan to attack Autobots and/or seek the downfall of the Insecticons without clearing it with the CO since attacking like that without Scourge's approval for any plan will likely make Scourge look bad if they fail, and maybe even if they win simply because they made their move without his approval. That means Scourge is certainly going to take his anger out on the Sweeps which makes Discord look bad because she lead them to one or two beat downs. Discord has plans to not only make certain she is an XO to be proud of, but also to look good doing it.
Scourge would need clearance to launch an assault as well.
All in all, Discord, being pretty smart, isn't going to just charge into ill conceived plans like a maniac and risk getting scrapped (That's Rage's job.), or loosing her position, or looking bad.
Keep in mind that it hasn't been that long since the skirmish with the Insecticons in game time, or the battle on the moon or that matter. Even less time since she became Sub-commander. She needs time to put together plans for revenge. On top of that her numbers aren't at 100% as some Sweeps need repairs. I'd like to think she's not idiotic enough to go into combat with wounded soldiers, and that she'll go into battle without taking her best, and hoping for some overkill, and considerate enough to not deprive her best, and CO of their revenge.
Discord relies on plans because she absolutely -has- to be cautious as she's the least equipped Sweep, less durable than most Sweeps, and not as strong as most Sweeps. Granted she has the firepower to be impressive, but she doesn't really have the skill to use it as well as others as far as accuracy goes. Her mind and charisma are her greatest weapons, and she's smart enough to use them instead of getting over confident and thinking she can go punch per punch with he likes of Grimlock, or Optimus Prime.
I would think that as XO she should be more concerned about protecting the Sweeps under her. Scourge is the one who should be coming up with any plans while Discord follows them. Coming up with 'revenge' plans that are likely to get her unit in trouble seems like the wrong thing to be doing.
Personally, I'd like to think there's nothing wrong with an intelligent villain that does more than "RAAR!! SMASH!! SMASH'EM GOOD!!!" attacking recklessly, and possibly screwing up more than they would with a level headed approach.
Having thought about it as I typed, maybe there could be a plan to kill two birds with one stone, formulating an attack on Autobot territory to hunt down the Autobots they seek revenge on, and maybe take the territory, but with the team are the Insecticons. With their numbers made up of themselves, and their drones, they'd be able to strike hard.
Of course, with the recent tension between the 2 forces they could try and make sure their enemies don't leave the field alive via "friendly" fire. Thing is this plan has a very high probability of backfiring.
It'd be almost embarrassing if Discord thought up this plan, then put it into action, and didn't have a backup plan to beat the slag out of the Insecticons as a contingency plan.
Still, Scourge has his plan in mind, and Discord won't go against it unless she's given permission. A win is a win.
To me, it seems, the Sweeps are rapidly becoming one note characters, obsessed with avenging anything that could possibly considered a slight against them. I've seen them swear a vendetta against nearly every character they've met so far. I'd like to see them do something else. Perhaps they need to be split up a bit more than they currently are so they can mingle with other non-sweeps. I'll have to consider that.
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