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Sowndwave76 wrote:You are right, we are just guessing and dreaming... but wouldn't it be nice? personal example, since Classic toy line was first released, I am hoping to see Jazz and the twins... two out of three after two years, I guess is fine, there are some many cool characters still that could be use? Hound... Hoist, I mean! too many!

As much as I hope you're right, I have my doubts about how far this line will go,
simply because
I don't know how willing I think Hasbro is to please fans.
The mass market of consumers isn't necessarily going to jump at some of the older, slightly obscure characters.
Especially with the big push of resurgence of interest coming from the movie, and that style of TF's.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting every character possible it's due in plastic.
While some of us would love to see Grapple, or Hoist, realistically, will these sell WELL to the general public?

I guess I'm trying to keep my excitement in check...[/quote]

If all-new toys like Lockdown and other Animated toys be a run-away hit, so can the "obscure" classic characters be in the new Classics line. I doubt that there will by any difficulty in selling any character as long as they are made well. The Classics line did outstandingly well when they came out, and they did it without a cartoon. It did so well, Hasbro is continuing it again. If they can keep that up, Universe will be around for a very good run.

imotron wrote:You are right, we are just guessing and dreaming... but wouldn't it be nice? personal example, since Classic toy line was first released, I am hoping to see Jazz and the twins... two out of three after two years, I guess is fine, there are some many cool characters still that could be use? Hound... Hoist, I mean! too many!

Oh, don't get me wrong I would love to see new combiners in Universe. As I understand it were getting a combiner in Animated aren't we? Regardless, there are in in-exhaustable amount of G1 characters for them to use in Universe.

Not to sound like the bad guy, but being staff here I do have to point out that it is considered spamming if you have two or more posts back to back. I know you're as jacked as the rest of us for new Universe figures, but the thing with the uber clapping could have been edited into your last post. Now I'm not trying to rain on your parade or anything, but I may as well tell you how it is. You're still pretty new here despite your almost 10,000 posts. Any questions, feel free to ask or PM

Hehe nice one.


So, you reckon the "Skywarp mold" aka the the MP3 mold is an improvement over MP1? I think most would vehemently disagree.

Seekers are cool and all, but the MP seekers are cheap pieces of plastic next to MP1. Do you own both molds or are you speaking from pics?

Bonger wrote:Hehe nice one.


So, you reckon the "Skywarp mold" aka the the MP3 mold is an improvement over MP1? I think most would vehemently disagree.

Seekers are cool and all, but the MP seekers are cheap pieces of plastic next to MP1. Do you own both molds or are you speaking from pics?

I'm speaking of the toy design. Not the quality of material.

I own Skywarp, and my friend owns Prime. He was so careful about his Prime, that he'd usually let me do the transforming. (I'm known to be the "technical" guy in our society. Anything concerning computers, electronics, and delicate items are usually referred to me.)

So i can say, i've got more than enough hands-on on both figures.

I'm not pro-Seekers or anything. In fact, i'm more of a pro-G1 Prime. I came to know the term "Seekers" only recently in these forums.

Skywarp toy design is definitely a giant leap in the MP series over the Prime mold.

Just the design. I'm not giving any judgement to the material quality. As i've heard the first MP Starscream is full of quality issues.

Auto Bot wrote:imotron is quite new. Let's cut him some slack. He'll get into the flow soon.

Maybe he's just excited.

Everybody gets out of the line from time to time.

Thanks! Auto Bot

And then I got all the nasty stuff on my shoulders!... any way, got the message, let's go back to business

I really can't see how the MP seeker mold is superior engineering to MP Prime. The Prime mold takes Prime's original truck mode and turns it into something far closer to his cartoon robot mode than anyone ever seriously expected possible. The seeker mold takes a realistic F15 (NOT something that looks like the cartoon alt mode or the original toy) and turns it into something that kinda looks like the cartoon robot mode if you squint and ignore a load of kibble hanging off each side. Further, the seeker mold is a far more complex and fragile thing. I think you're confusing "complicated" with "superior", AutoBot.

And what does this have to do with the Classics 2.0?

My hope is that they will eventually make their way through all of the characters from the first season of G1, that way I get most of my favorite Autobot and Decepticon characters. I have my fingers crossed for a Universe Wheeljack as well as the remaining Dinobots and a bunch of the other car Autobots. As for the Decepticons, most of my favorite Season 1 characters are already in Classics for (even if they are Con exclusives) so not much can be said about them accept I would love to see Classics Insecticons, I always loved those guys!

As for Season 2 I got a rather long list of characters I want to see from that, as well as Season 3 so I won't turn this into a "what characters you want to see in Classics 2.0" thread any more then I have with this post. Bottom line is, I have high hopes for Universe/Classics 2.0 perhaps too high, but I think time will tell if I get to see the characters I want. I do think though if they released the other Dinobots into the Classics line they will do well since most people I know love Dinosaurs and giant robots. But as always I'm pulling for good 'ol Wheeljack!

I really think Hasbro is putting the new Classics
under the Universe banner to boost sales of the
Universe line. The universe line has spanned years,
while Classics haven't been around for even half the time
of Universe.

Universe is already a toy line for Transformers and I
have suspicion that, while these for the most part will be new molds and the others were usually repaints, these new Classics
are gonna be worked into the Universe time line.
I think Hasbro will put the Classics 'style' into
an existing line to boost sales so whoever over at Hasbro that has influence and an agenda for the Universe line will not have to
see that line die. After Classics works it's magic
Hasbro will bring on more of the same tired use of repainting
previous figures for sale in the 'Universe'.

Hopefully I am wrong, but I don't expect a long drawn out line
of Classics toys. I just view this as a marketing ploy, albeit
one I'll most likely buy in to.
Now, Friday can't come fast enough so I can see what they look like.

Sledge wrote:I really can't see how the MP seeker mold is superior engineering to MP Prime. The Prime mold takes Prime's original truck mode and turns it into something far closer to his cartoon robot mode than anyone ever seriously expected possible. The seeker mold takes a realistic F15 (NOT something that looks like the cartoon alt mode or the original toy) and turns it into something that kinda looks like the cartoon robot mode if you squint and ignore a load of kibble hanging off each side. Further, the seeker mold is a far more complex and fragile thing. I think you're confusing "complicated" with "superior", AutoBot.

And what does this have to do with the Classics 2.0?

Neither.

I'm after "realism". Because i'm an adult kid now. Not a 10 year old kid like before.

A highly disproportionate totally unrealistic truck doesn't impress me anymore.

Seekers mold do have tons of ugly kibbles in robot mode. But the robot still works fine. Not too shabby. It still captures the original robot and its personality. Plus the jet is highly realistic. Beautifully designed.

The point of being a Transformer is to have a realistic disguise. That's what makes it fun. The 80s cartoons, due to limited animation technology at that time, resulted in very poor animation quality. Why would we strive towards copying exactly what came out of the low quality cartoon? We have a more solid basis. The real-life vehicles. The very source of the design in the first place.

Part of my concern for the Classics line is with the Combiners...

First off, give us another Devastator!!!!
Talk about being jipped, that Classics version was ridiculous...

Imo, they need to either make combiners, and make them well, or potentially not make any of those characters.
To put out a couple Aerialbots here, a couple Stunticons there, a couple Predacons later on, etc., WITHOUT all of them, and/or without the ability to combine, will be a HUGE letdown.
The ONLY scenario I'd be okay with, would be if they made each of the Combiner leaders.

Someone do me a big favor, and rack your brain and try and come up with a realistic number of characters left (besides combiners) that can be made.
Don't get me wrong, I know there's a lot, but how many more????

I'm a bit worried this new Onslaught will come out without the ability to combine.

Based on inspection of the pictures I'd say with 90% certainty that Onslaught will not combine. But hey I'd be glad to be wrong about this one.

That will make him an entirely new character. Like Bonecrusher and Brawl of the movie.

Auto Bot wrote:Neither.

I'm after "realism". Because i'm an adult kid now. Not a 10 year old kid like before.

A highly disproportionate totally unrealistic truck doesn't impress me anymore.

Seekers mold do have tons of ugly kibbles in robot mode. But the robot still works fine. Not too shabby. It still captures the original robot and its personality. Plus the jet is highly realistic. Beautifully designed.

The point of being a Transformer is to have a realistic disguise. That's what makes it fun. The 80s cartoons, due to limited animation technology at that time, resulted in very poor animation quality. Why would we strive towards copying exactly what came out of the low quality cartoon? We have a more solid basis. The real-life vehicles. The very source of the design in the first place.

What do trucks look like in your country? 'Cos MP Prime's truck mode looks like a truck to me.

Secondly, you seem to be missing the point of the Masterpiece line. The Binaltech line was about producing spot-on vehicle modes and turning them into robots. The MP line is about getting figures as close to their cartoon appearences as possible. The seeker mold simply fails at that.

What does animation quality have to do with this at all? Yeah, the animation in the G1 cartoon could have been better. Then again, it could have been a lot worse. But I fail to see how that has anything to do with discussion. DO you in fact take issue with the way the Transformers were drawn in the cartoon series?

Nope. I'm just too disappointed with the way the truck came out.

Of course, i won't demand for Alternator level of realism for the alt mode. Detailed interior, brand-specific vehicle designs, popping hood, opening doors... all these are not absolutely necessary. But if only it was designed close to any generic truck form. Just the truck exterior proportions. Then it will be good. In fact, the G1 truck looks even better than MP01 truck.

Auto Bot wrote:Nope. I'm just too disappointed with the way the truck came out.

Of course, i won't demand for Alternator level of realism for the alt mode. Detailed interior, brand-specific vehicle designs, popping hood, opening doors... all these are not absolutely necessary. But if only it was designed close to any generic truck form. Just the truck exterior proportions. Then it will be good. In fact, the G1 truck looks even better than MP01 truck.

Maybe I missed something, but isn't your arguement against MP Prime the lack of accurate detail and realism in alt mode? So wouldn't that mean that you kind of are wanting for Alternator level detail as far as the alt mode is concerned? Just want to be sure I get it all.

Dagon wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Nope. I'm just too disappointed with the way the truck came out.

Of course, i won't demand for Alternator level of realism for the alt mode. Detailed interior, brand-specific vehicle designs, popping hood, opening doors... all these are not absolutely necessary. But if only it was designed close to any generic truck form. Just the truck exterior proportions. Then it will be good. In fact, the G1 truck looks even better than MP01 truck.

Maybe I missed something, but isn't your arguement against MP Prime the lack of accurate detail and realism in alt mode? So wouldn't that mean that you kind of are wanting for Alternator level detail as far as the alt mode is concerned? Just want to be sure I get it all.

Not exactly. You're not missing anything.

It's like having Movie Deluxe Bumblebee. It's a realistically shaped car. But it doesn't have an interior. It doesn't have popping hood or opening doors. But it is easily recognizable as a realistic car. It has the proportions of a real car. In the case of Prime, i won't even ask for a specific brand to pattern after. Just a generic realistically proportioned truck will do.

Auto Bot wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Nope. I'm just too disappointed with the way the truck came out.

Of course, i won't demand for Alternator level of realism for the alt mode. Detailed interior, brand-specific vehicle designs, popping hood, opening doors... all these are not absolutely necessary. But if only it was designed close to any generic truck form. Just the truck exterior proportions. Then it will be good. In fact, the G1 truck looks even better than MP01 truck.

Maybe I missed something, but isn't your arguement against MP Prime the lack of accurate detail and realism in alt mode? So wouldn't that mean that you kind of are wanting for Alternator level detail as far as the alt mode is concerned? Just want to be sure I get it all.

Not exactly. You're not missing anything.

It's like having Movie Deluxe Bumblebee. It's a realistically shaped car. But it doesn't have an interior. It doesn't have popping hood or opening doors. But it is easily recognizable as a realistic car. It has the proportions of a real car. In the case of Prime, i won't even ask for a specific brand to pattern after. Just a generic realistically proportioned truck will do.

So, then what does MP Primes' alt mode make you think of, if not a truck? I doubt anyone would look at MP Prime and not recognize it as a truck. If Bumblebee is your example of what you'd want, then you kind of are wanting a specific kind of truck, like how movie Prime was a Peterbuilt. Again, if you want a super realistic model truck, why not buy one of those instead of a toy who's point is providing disguise for a robot?

Maldroth wrote:Based on inspection of the pictures I'd say with 90% certainty that Onslaught will not combine. But hey I'd be glad to be wrong about this one.

But... They changed the name, is not anymore Onslaught

Huh, I must have missed that. What have they changed Onslaught's name to?

Sledge wrote:Huh, I must have missed that. What have they changed Onslaught's name to?

SORRY!!! and a big sorry... I got so confused, the one that was changed according to the original post was
Tankor (formerly known as Octane)... not Onslaught

Yes I am hitting my head against the wall as you read...

Now that we have seen the official list of new releases... (and the awesome Sunstraker picture) is there an approximate release date for these toys? anybody? I heard a rumor that it would be around October initially planned.

Anybody has a better idea or rather information?

Dagon wrote:

So, then what does MP Primes' alt mode make you think of, if not a truck? I doubt anyone would look at MP Prime and not recognize it as a truck. If Bumblebee is your example of what you'd want, then you kind of are wanting a specific kind of truck, like how movie Prime was a Peterbuilt. Again, if you want a super realistic model truck, why not buy one of those instead of a toy who's point is providing disguise for a robot?

I have to agree with Autobot here.

Sledge, a blanket statement cannot be made when considering the intentions of the MP line. It has obviously changed. Prime, bot mode was the focal point. The seekers ... Jet mode was the focal point. That figure looks like a damn accurate F-15. Megatron, well ... both are quite perfect if you ask me. I guess due to the fact that Megs' alt mode is the size of a leaf blower,(exaggeration) bot mode was considered first and foremost so he would look good standing next to Prime.

Prime's truck mode suffers, but oh well I say. The bot mode is THAT good. It's worth it to me.

Dagon, why not get a precision model truck instead? Well, it does not transform for one. Second, how good of a disguise is a fake looking truck ... really? Prime's G1 truck is an actual truck. While it's a hodgepodge of a few different name brands (Peterbilt/Freightliner). It's still a classic "EOC" body style, which his cartoon form was more accurate to in comparison to the MP toy.

It's not all that bad, but we all know that it could look much better. Takara better NOT do it. We don't need 15 more upgraded MP Prime's & repaints coming out, furthering the delay of new character molds.

The "ultra class powerglide" is sort of setting off my spidey-sense...

Given that it's going to be in the "universe" line, (though techinically STILL classics 2.0) and given hasbro's tendency of rereleasing old molds. Yes, I do know that they claimed that 1st wave would be all new molds,... but is anyone else getting that itchy feeling that ultra class powerglide just may turn out to be a repaint/remold of cybertron wing saber? (Given the fact that they're both -sort of- the same plane and in the same size class...and it IS the universe line, which has a LOT of repaints in it...)

Just hoping it's gonna be an actual new mold

sulluman wrote:The "ultra class powerglide" is sort of setting off my spidey-sense...

Given that it's going to be in the "universe" line, (though techinically STILL classics 2.0) and given hasbro's tendency of rereleasing old molds. Yes, I do know that they claimed that 1st wave would be all new molds,... but is anyone else getting that itchy feeling that ultra class powerglide just may turn out to be a repaint/remold of cybertron wing saber? (Given the fact that they're both -sort of- the same plane and in the same size class...and it IS the universe line, which has a LOT of repaints in it...)

Just hoping it's gonna be an actual new mold

I wondered this about Powerglide as well. Actually, instead of doing movie "Wingblade" ... I think a powerglide would have been a better idea.

I hope they didn't hold off just because they were saving the powerglide version of the mold, for Universe. I don't think that mold would fit in well with the line, though ... so I think we are safe. Hopefully!