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by **ultramagnus27** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:25 pm

This is probably a noob question, but is there a big difference between Takara's Encore edition and Commemorative reissue series? The only reissues I've ever been able to get my hands on were Hasbro's and I'm not sure which is the better value to go after.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:00 pm

ultramagnus27 wrote:This is probably a noob question, but is there a big difference between Takara's Encore edition and Commemorative reissue series? The only reissues I've ever been able to get my hands on were Hasbro's and I'm not sure which is the better value to go after.

Hasbro's reissues have to comply with Toy Safety Laws, so some adaptations have to be made to the original toys (longer missles, or remove the firing mechanism). Takara's don't have to, so they're pretty much untouched.

by **zemper** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:23 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
ultramagnus27 wrote:This is probably a noob question, but is there a big difference between Takara's Encore edition and Commemorative reissue series? The only reissues I've ever been able to get my hands on were Hasbro's and I'm not sure which is the better value to go after.

Hasbro's reissues have to comply with Toy Safety Laws, so some adaptations have to be made to the original toys (longer missles, or remove the firing mechanism). Takara's don't have to, so they're pretty much untouched.

like he said.

by **ultramagnus27** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:36 pm

so which would be a better buy, Takara's reissue of Starscream or Takara's Encore edition Starscream?

News Credits: 2 · by **Decepticon Spike** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:36 pm

Either. both are exact replicas of the original Starscream toy, to the best of my knowledge.

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:04 pm

Decepticon Spike wrote:Either. both are exact replicas of the original Starscream toy, to the best of my knowledge.

95% the same, but as JelZe already said due to Toy Safety laws, the Hasbro versions have longer missiles that cannot be fired.

Occasionally there are also some minor paint differences.

by **zemper** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:17 pm

most differences can be found on toys like OP & Ultra Magnus, whose noticeable differences from Takara are the shortened smokestacks. i'm sure there are other examples but this is the most common one.

:MAX:

News Credits: 2 · by **Decepticon Spike** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:40 pm

i_amtrunks wrote:
Decepticon Spike wrote:Either. both are exact replicas of the original Starscream toy, to the best of my knowledge.

95% the same, but as JelZe already said due to Toy Safety laws, the Hasbro versions have longer missiles that cannot be fired.

Occasionally there are also some minor paint differences.

I thought the Takara reissues exact replicas? My reissue Prowl and Smokescreen do not have any safety features.

by **Deadpool.** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:52 pm

ultramagnus27 wrote:so which would be a better buy, Takara's reissue of Starscream or Takara's Encore edition Starscream?

That depends.
Encore SS is in original toy colors.
TFC SS is in the Animation colors (with a mini Megatron hand gun for SS and Optimus to hold.)

by **zemper** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:00 pm

Deadpool. wrote:
ultramagnus27 wrote:so which would be a better buy, Takara's reissue of Starscream or Takara's Encore edition Starscream?
That depends.
Encore SS is in original toy colors.
TFC SS is in the Animation colors (with a mini Megatron hand gun for SS and Optimus to hold.)

i see, no wonder the TFC are more expensive than Encores.

:MAX:

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:25 pm

Decepticon Spike wrote:
i_amtrunks wrote:
Decepticon Spike wrote:Either. both are exact replicas of the original Starscream toy, to the best of my knowledge.

95% the same, but as JelZe already said due to Toy Safety laws, the Hasbro versions have longer missiles that cannot be fired.

Occasionally there are also some minor paint differences.

I thought the Takara reissues exact replicas? My reissue Prowl and Smokescreen do not have any safety features.

Yes Takara do have exact re-issues.
HASBRO have altered missiles and launchers, and occasional Paint differences.

by **Deadpool.** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:30 pm

zemper wrote:
Deadpool. wrote:
ultramagnus27 wrote:so which would be a better buy, Takara's reissue of Starscream or Takara's Encore edition Starscream?
That depends.
Encore SS is in original toy colors.
TFC SS is in the Animation colors (with a mini Megatron hand gun for SS and Optimus to hold.)

i see, no wonder the TFC are more expensive than Encores.

Which is why I'm lucky I got a TFC one when it was released.

by **ultramagnus27** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:50 pm

Deadpool. wrote:
ultramagnus27 wrote:so which would be a better buy, Takara's reissue of Starscream or Takara's Encore edition Starscream?
That depends.
Encore SS is in original toy colors.
TFC SS is in the Animation colors (with a mini Megatron hand gun for SS and Optimus to hold.)

Is there a difference like this between the TFC Megatron and Encore Megatron?

by **Swerve** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:05 pm

ultramagnus27 wrote:so which would be a better buy, Takara's reissue of Starscream or Takara's Encore edition Starscream?

Depends on which Takara reissue you're talking about. I haven't opened my Encore Starscream but I believe he is exactly the same as the older reissue.

The Takara "book style" reissue, which is in the white box and was the last reissue before Encore, comes in anime accurate colors. I don't know why, but I wasn't a huge fan of the light blue, although more show accurate color, they used for the figure. I prefer the darker blue. You still might want to buy this version, if you can find it at a decent price, and the Encore version just to have both. The Encore version is still at a reasonable price at most places so I would say buy one of the Encore's regardless.

News Credits: 2 · by **Decepticon Spike** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:28 pm

i_amtrunks wrote:
Decepticon Spike wrote:
i_amtrunks wrote:
Decepticon Spike wrote:Either. both are exact replicas of the original Starscream toy, to the best of my knowledge.

95% the same, but as JelZe already said due to Toy Safety laws, the Hasbro versions have longer missiles that cannot be fired.

Occasionally there are also some minor paint differences.

I thought the Takara reissues exact replicas? My reissue Prowl and Smokescreen do not have any safety features.

Yes Takara do have exact re-issues.
HASBRO have altered missiles and launchers, and occasional Paint differences.

I knew about the Hasbo safety tweaks, but never knew about the paint changes. Do you know which ones are different?

by **PrimeFan** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:36 pm

ultramagnus27 wrote:Is there a difference like this between the TFC Megatron and Encore Megatron?

TFC Megs comes with his energon mace. Other than that, they are the same figures.

by **microclone** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:52 am

from reviews ive read it seems the hasbro versions can have other quality issues. my takara starscream (collection) has tighter arms and the wings fit much better in the ports than in hasbro Thundercraker and skywarp. I dont yet have an encore SS to see if its the same quality as the collection version. also the autobot cars have a few issues compared to takara versions. aside though, i actually prefer the longer hasbro missiles on the seekers, i think it gives the bots a more dynamic look.

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:59 am

microclone wrote:from reviews ive read it seems the hasbro versions can have other quality issues. my takara starscream (collection) has tighter arms and the wings fit much better in the ports than in hasbro Thundercraker and skywarp. I dont yet have an encore SS to see if its the same quality as the collection version.

Actually, the overall trend was that the Hasbro seekers had tighter joints and tolerances.

The pre-DW box Starscream release was plagued with loose joints and poorly fitted wings.

by **SpacerAM2** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:29 am

Well at times most Hasbro reissues are affordable too. Except for Optimus Prime, UltraMagnus, and Soundwave.
Ones that are altered by Hasbro are Optimus ,and Magnus pipe stacks and missles. Optimus' roller launcher inside trailer doesn't launch. The seekers missles are too big. Jazz, Prowl, Silverstreak, and Smokescreen's weapons and missle aren't chromed. They are black instead. The rest of the other reissues are all fine.

Hey, a repented decepticon that accepts Jesus Christ as savior. There is hope for you my friend. Welcome to the club! :grin:

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News Credits: 2 · by **Decepticon Spike** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:13 am

SpacerAM2 wrote:Well at times most Hasbro reissues are affordable too. Except for Optimus Prime, UltraMagnus, and Soundwave.
Ones that are altered by Hasbro are Optimus ,and Magnus pipe stacks and missles. Optimus' roller launcher inside trailer doesn't launch. The seekers missles are too big. Jazz, Prowl, Silverstreak, and Smokescreen's weapons and missle aren't chromed. They are black instead. The rest of the other reissues are all fine.

Hey, a repented decepticon that accepts Jesus Christ as savior. There is hope for you my friend. Welcome to the club!

As Autobot032 says:
_________________
I believe in Jesus Christ as my Saviour. If you do too, copy and paste this into your signature.

NOTE: Realize that I am not a perfect Christian, nor do I profess to be. I apologize if anyone's ever offended by me, I'm not perfect. Don't hold my posts and opinions against other Christians.

That's why I prefer the Takara Reissues. They are more like the ones I had as a kid.

What can I say, Decepticons need their souls saved too

News Credits: 1 · by **Decepticharge** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:56 am

I was going to pick-up the Encore Soundwave because it was insanely cheaper than the TF Collector's Edition. It looks like Ravage doesn't come with the Encore version. Could this be the main reason for the price difference? Or does it have more to do with availability?

by **Omega-1** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:01 pm

Decepticharge wrote:I was going to pick-up the Encore Soundwave because it was insanely cheaper than the TF Collector's Edition. It looks like Ravage doesn't come with the Encore version. Could this be the main reason for the price difference? Or does it have more to do with availability?

TFC Soundwave doesn't come with Ravage either. I think the only difference is the box.

News Credits: 1 · by **Decepticharge** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:09 pm

I'm guessing this one that I was looking at is different than the TFC Soundwave you are referring to... ?

http://www.tfsource.com/Reissues/Reissue-18-Soundblaster/reissue-18-soundblaster.html

News Credits: 2 · by **Sid Burn** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:30 pm

Decepticharge wrote:I'm guessing this one that I was looking at is different than the TFC Soundwave you are referring to... ?

http://www.tfsource.com/Reissues/Reissue-18-Soundblaster/reissue-18-soundblaster.html

That is Soundblaster, not Soundwave. Its a different character. The Soundwave from the book style reissues only came with Laserbeak.

Soundblaster is a rebuilt Soundwave from the TF Headmasters cartoon series.

by **Swerve** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:15 pm

The Toys 'R Us Commemorative Edition "Soundwave" that came out earlier this year included both Laserbeak and Ravage. I say "Soundwave" because that is how the figure is packaged and colored but as many people have already pointed out, he is really Soundblaster.

There sure does seem to be a lot of Soundwave/Soundblaster figures reissued in the last year or so despite the mold being lost or damaged as I have been told by several people. How many figures is that now, like 4 or 5? I suspect that the Soundwave molds are probably just modified Soundblaster molds.