The Energon Pub

More importantly what counts as a tf?

Do u count minicons as accessories, individual transformers or only if they are in there full teams?
(same goes for micromasters)

What about robot heroes and Optimash Prime?

What about statues?

What do ya all think?

On one hand.

I count anything that Transforms, isn't broken and belongs me.

I count the few Minicons I have partly as robots, the ones that look good, the ones I have that turn into a part of the bigger tf or a gun, I just count them as an accessory.

For me I count any named robot that is "sentient" as one figure with the exception of Headmasters (Headmaster + vehicle = 1 bot); combiners (the bots that make up the robot count; not the combined mode); Drones count if they have their own robot mode (Scamper and God Bomber count but not Roller or Slammer). Therefore:

Actionmasters = 1 figure
Minicons = 1 figure
Targetmasters = 2 figures
Headmasters = 1 figure
Powermasters = 2 figures

SnapTrap wrote:For me I count any named robot that is "sentient" as one figure with the exception of Headmasters (Headmaster + vehicle = 1 bot); combiners (the bots that make up the robot count; not the combined mode); Drones count if they have their own robot mode (Scamper and God Bomber count but not Roller or Slammer). Therefore:

Actionmasters = 1 figure
Minicons = 1 figure
Targetmasters = 2 figures
Headmasters = 1 figure
Powermasters = 2 figures

But headmasters in western fiction were comprised of two senient beings a transformer and a nebulon/human partner.

In the japanese fiction however they were dipicted as one being - the veichle being an unliving transector for the head robot.

If you go by that logic you would also have to count powermasters as a single figure given their portrail in masterforce as only the engine parts being sentient

I don't count mine.

However, I figure I'd go by any character given name. A four pack of Micromasters will have a four count. A quick check shows my checklist for G1 Micormasters looks like this:
Air Patrol 1990
a)Tread Bolt
b)Eagle Eye
c)Sky High
d)Blaze Master

etc...

So Even though they were a four pack, I'd count the individuals.

However, I don't count them, I just check them off of my list.

I count my robots in 2 ways.

First: I count the sets I have. For example a complete G1 Prime is counted as 1 set.

Second: I count the individual robots in a set, meaning G1 Prime counts as 3 seperate robots (1: Prime, 2: Trailer, 3: Roller).

Also, gestalts are counted as both the individual robots and also the combined robot form. For example, Devastator to me counts as 7 robots.

I count every named character including individual minicons.

I also count the gestalt as one bot, and all the combiner bots as individual bots.

I personally count any figure which can transform. Mini-cons are each a single TF in my mind as well.

So, I don't add my Robot Heroes, or my unleashed BB to my count.

well my collection is easy to count...i don't have any of the gray areas.

but if i did...

headmasters/powermasters =1
targetmasters =2

reflector=i still don't know. 3 bots/1 alt mode...i'm tempted to say he counts as 1 considering all bots are required to do anything with him except have a robot that transforms into 1/3 of a camera.

I don't count my collection, but it's really depend.

Minicons are good on their own and also come in booster packs. Even thought they are, technically, accessories I'd still count them as one bot. Ditto Micromaster teams (I have only Swindle (bought him on his own), for example, and he counts as one and not 1 / 4).

Power/Head/Target all have WAY too much to do with the bot to be counted as "one". I mean ... just look at what they turn into! The only exceptions would be those Masters that were packaged individually, although I have exactly none of those. So, Tragetmaster Hot Rod's gun still counts as an accessory to me. Oddly Bendy Prime's Mini-con would count as one bot since Minicon, as a whole, are more independant.

Combiners would count as their seperate robots. So Devestator would be six.

Reflector would be only one. Since you need all three to ever transform him properly.

Sid Burn wrote:I count every named character including individual minicons.

I also count the gestalt as one bot, and all the combiner bots as individual bots.

We've officially ruled that out a long time ago. Devestator does not count as 7 bots.

Kinda hard to count since I have one set of Robot Heroes, but I guess I will count anything that is TF-related and is some sort of toy.

GetterDragun wrote:

Sid Burn wrote:I count every named character including individual minicons.

I also count the gestalt as one bot, and all the combiner bots as individual bots.

We've officially ruled that out a long time ago. Devestator does not count as 7 bots.

I would say 6, it takes all 6 to make Devestator. You can't count twice. Same goes for all gestalts (Bruticus, Defensor etc.)

GetterDragun wrote:

Sid Burn wrote:I count every named character including individual minicons.

I also count the gestalt as one bot, and all the combiner bots as individual bots.

We've officially ruled that out a long time ago. Devestator does not count as 7 bots.

I´m confused, so it counts as a single bot or 5 bots?

MegaDave wrote:

SnapTrap wrote:For me I count any named robot that is "sentient" as one figure with the exception of Headmasters (Headmaster + vehicle = 1 bot); combiners (the bots that make up the robot count; not the combined mode); Drones count if they have their own robot mode (Scamper and God Bomber count but not Roller or Slammer). Therefore:

Actionmasters = 1 figure
Minicons = 1 figure
Targetmasters = 2 figures
Headmasters = 1 figure
Powermasters = 2 figures

But headmasters in western fiction were comprised of two senient beings a transformer and a nebulon/human partner.

In the japanese fiction however they were dipicted as one being - the veichle being an unliving transector for the head robot.

If you go by that logic you would also have to count powermasters as a single figure given their portrail in masterforce as only the engine parts being sentient

Yeah I am aware of how both Japan and the US treat Headmasters but when I am counting transformer toys, I count the Headmasters as one figure because I feel they need their heads to be complete. The head masters are the only exception to my rules for counting "sentient" robots.; otherwise I count the robot and partner as 2 figs (for Target Masters, Brest Force & Powermasters, etc) since neither is really necessary to create the robot. (I know Powermasters are needed to transform the figures but in my mind they still count as two figures since both are complete; ie not missing parts like their heads).

General Magnus wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

Sid Burn wrote:I count every named character including individual minicons.

I also count the gestalt as one bot, and all the combiner bots as individual bots.

We've officially ruled that out a long time ago. Devestator does not count as 7 bots.

I´m confused, so it counts as a single bot or 5 bots?

Devistator would be six bots, not seven because the personality of the combiners is supposed to be an amalgamation of all of the group. In essence he can't exist if one of them is destroyed.

GetterDragun wrote:

Sid Burn wrote:I count every named character including individual minicons.

I also count the gestalt as one bot, and all the combiner bots as individual bots.

We've officially ruled that out a long time ago. Devestator does not count as 7 bots.

I am not sure what "official" ruling you are speaking about but I count the individual pieces and the actual gestalt. Devastator is as much as character as any of his parts hence me counting every named character.

My inventory reads-

Original Hasbro G1 Devastator (diecast)
Bonecrusher (combiner)
Hook (combiner)
Long Haul (combiner)
Mixmaster (combiner)
Scrapper (combiner)
Scavenger (combiner)

I count Minicons as separate robots. I count Micromaster teams as four robots instead of one toy.

Sid Burn wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

Sid Burn wrote:I count every named character including individual minicons.

I also count the gestalt as one bot, and all the combiner bots as individual bots.

We've officially ruled that out a long time ago. Devestator does not count as 7 bots.

I am not sure what "official" ruling you are speaking about but I count the individual pieces and the actual gestalt. Devastator is as much as character as any of his parts hence me counting every named character.

My inventory reads-

Original Hasbro G1 Devastator (diecast)
Bonecrusher (combiner)
Hook (combiner)
Long Haul (combiner)
Mixmaster (combiner)
Scrapper (combiner)
Scavenger (combiner)

No, these are actual figures we are counting. This would mean you count Punch/Counterpunch as 2 figures. Devestator is made from 6 figures, so you either have 1 Devestator, or 6 constructicons, 1 + 1 does not equal 3.

GetterDragun wrote:No, these are actual figures we are counting. This would mean you count Punch/Counterpunch as 2 figures. Devestator is made from 6 figures, so you either have 1 Devestator, or 6 constructicons, 1 + 1 does not equal 3.

Is there a reason you are so uppity about how I count my bots? I have nearly 800 transformers, and if 5 of that number are me counting a gestalt as a seperate transformer, who is to say I cant do that?

You are being weirdly anal about how someone counts their transformers in their own collection.

For me the character is more important that the actual individual bots. Devastator is a character, so are all the pieces that make up devastator. Are you saying that hook has no relevance in TF fiction? The thread was "HOW do YOU count your collection?" Well this is HOW I count mine.

You should 'moderate' your tone towards me, I dont appreciate being told how to enjoy my own hobby.
Your methods are your own. Any "official" ruling you have come up with is purely self proclaimed.

Why cant we all just get along

Anywho it since to see how others count their collections, i always only counted my minicons and micromasters in their sets as one so this is nice to up my count after reflecting on how everyone else views theirs.

I am now on the right side of 200!

Sid Burn wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:No, these are actual figures we are counting. This would mean you count Punch/Counterpunch as 2 figures. Devestator is made from 6 figures, so you either have 1 Devestator, or 6 constructicons, 1 + 1 does not equal 3.

Is there a reason you are so uppity about how I count my bots? I have nearly 800 transformers, and if 5 of that number are me counting a gestalt as a seperate transformer, who is to say I cant do that?

You are being weirdly anal about how someone counts their transformers in their own collection.

For me the character is more important that the actual individual bots. Devastator is a character, so are all the pieces that make up devastator. Are you saying that hook has no relevance in TF fiction? The thread was "HOW do YOU count your collection?" Well this is HOW I count mine.

You should 'moderate' your tone towards me, I dont appreciate being told how to enjoy my own hobby.
Your methods are your own. Any "official" ruling you have come up with is purely self proclaimed.

Fiction has nothing to do with actuality. It's just silly to me. It's like believing in "make believe". But you're right though, this is a thread about how you count your collection, so if that is how you do it, then that is your way.

I don't count my Transformers. I don't know why. I don't count my My Little Ponies either, although I must have hundreds of the little suckers.

Personally, I would count Minicon as individual Transformers. As for my Starscream statue....well, it depends if I'm counting toys or stuff.

GetterDragun wrote:But you're right though, this is a thread about how you count your collection, so if that is how you do it, then that is your way.

Thanks, to each his own.

SnapTrap wrote:For me I count any named robot that is "sentient" as one figure with the exception of Headmasters (Headmaster + vehicle = 1 bot); combiners (the bots that make up the robot count; not the combined mode); Drones count if they have their own robot mode (Scamper and God Bomber count but not Roller or Slammer). Therefore:

Actionmasters = 1 figure
Minicons = 1 figure
Targetmasters = 2 figures
Headmasters = 1 figure
Powermasters = 2 figures

I go by this chart too ,but I don't agree with the Headmasters part of it.Mainly because of monetary reasons.I have Fort Max I'm missing Cog but I do have Cerebros and Spike.So I count my Fort Max as 3 at the moment.There are 3 robots in there simplest forms even though two are missing there heads when the others are robots.I had to piece mine together and search out all three separately.The heads appear to be worth more than the bodies.In the the shows I grew up with there were two separate minds.So I count Headmasters as 2 or 3 n Fort Max case.I only own 4 Headmastes so it really doesnt affect my count to much either way everyone votes on it.
The other controversial count is micro masters that come with bases.I also count them as two they are separate from each other and they both Transform and yet again there really isn't that many of them to affect anyones count which ever way the fandom feels on this.

If you took all of these away from me in a count i might lose 10 figures or less out of 830 some it really doesnt matter much I guess.