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I am aware people might have their own canon but still I would like to know what you guys think.

Last year several new toy series got released, Power Core Combiners, Hunt for the Decepticons, Generations and Reveal the Shield...
I wouldn't be a TF-nut if I didn't use tfwiki... a lot.
It strikes me that many toys released in Hunt for the Decepticons are not listed as Movie-verse characters. What is your though?

To me Hunt is a continuation of Revenge of the Fallen... That means Movie-verse...
PCC is more difficult but I place it late G1, near the start of Beast Wars since many characters released have a very close (if not exactly the same) bio as there G1 namesake.
Generations is mostly G1, after Classics and Universe 2.0 (when G1 or Classic series of course)
Reveal the Shield is only G1...

Let me hear you!

No, they're G1. Of course they're ROTF why do you think they have ROTF repaints, and continuations of other ROTF toys!? But yeah, they're definately ROTF.

I agree with Sly. Clearly they are ROTF, just with heavier G1 influences.

Here's the general opinion, per line:

HftD: Movie Universe. The characters and molds used are a dead giveaway.
Reveal the Shield: Figures are a mix of Movie and G1, but to the stores, it's the same overall line as HftD.
Generations: continuation of Classics and Universe 2008.
Power Core Combiners: Trickier, but Smolder and Chopster both appear in a Cyber Mission, which is Movie-verse.

Here's a question...is there anything legitimately Classics-based in the PCC line, more than just a decent stand-in? I've largely ignored them minus the Dino-combiner mistake (although I'm inquiring more about the 2 packs here) and would hate to discover down the road there was a figure I shoulda picked up for my Classics collection...

Kibble wrote:Here's a question...is there anything legitimately Classics-based in the PCC line, more than just a decent stand-in? I've largely ignored them minus the Dino-combiner mistake and would hate to discover down the road there was a figure I shoulda picked up for my Classics collection...

Officially, Hasbro has stated there was only one "legacy" character in there: Huffer.

Thanks. I knew people were picking up Huffer, but didn't think he was very geewunny. But if Hasbro is considering him to be accounted for, I guess I better pick him up.

SlyTF1 wrote:No, they're G1. Of course they're ROTF why do you think they have ROTF repaints, and continuations of other ROTF toys!? But yeah, they're definately ROTF.

I agree!
But an example: legends Tracker Hound; a repaint of legends G1 Hound.
To me Tracker Hound is movie-versie but at tfwiki he is in the list of G1 Hound...

I'd also say that a couple of the HFTD Voyager and Scout figures are pretty much Neo-G1 a la Generations.

Why?

Because Generations was declared as a Deluxe class, only, line.

Voyager Seaspray fits too perfectly (IMHO) next to toys like Ultra Powerglide and repaints to NOT use him in Neo-G1 displays, and while Voyager Bludgeon may be rather movieverse, the aesthetic actually fits his G1 comic appearances better than doing a more Neo-G1 style figure (again, IMHO).

Kibble wrote:Thanks. I knew people were picking up Huffer, but didn't think he was very geewunny. But if Hasbro is considering him to be accounted for, I guess I better pick him up.

The TFCC magazine did not include Huffer as a G1 update in its article on the Generations/Reveal the Shield line. The magazine did include Legends Jazz and Legends Trailbreaker.

So take that for what it's worth.

Angelus wrote:To me Hunt is a continuation of Revenge of the Fallen... That means Movie-verse...
PCC is more difficult but I place it late G1, near the start of Beast Wars since many characters released have a very close (if not exactly the same) bio as there G1 namesake.
Generations is mostly G1, after Classics and Universe 2.0 (when G1 or Classic series of course)
Reveal the Shield is only G1...

Let me hear you!

As TFWiki points out, Hasbro is not very concerned with separating out toys (and even characters) by continuity anymore. Thus, it is the fans who decide.

TFWiki's sorting of the toys are based on the majority opinion of the editors of the site. It is not the official delineation, by any means. Sometimes, I agree with them (Sunstorm is not a Rainmaker). Other times, I don't (HFTD Sea Spray is G1 Seaspray).

Obviously, Generations and Reveal the Shield are mostly G1. RTS has a few weirdos like Strafe and Chopsaw. I also put Power Core Combiners in G1. Since there is no real fiction for this line, it's no big deal one way or the other.

Hunt for the Decepticons is a little different. The line is obviously designed to capitalize on the success of the live-action films, but that doesn't mean the toys are ROTF by default.

Sea Spray is an obvious update of G1 Seaspray. Hasbro has repeatedly and clearly stated this. His bio may be written to fit in with the rest of the movie-based line, but that's more marketing than deliberate canon.

What of Hailstorm and Mindset? Hailstorm was based on G2 Mindset. Axor and Banzaitron are obvious more than just homages.

Same goes for previous movie lines. Movie Crankcase is G1 Crankcase. Movie Breakaway is G1 Getaway. ROTF Bludgeon is G1 Bludgeon. They are in the movie toylines for marketing purposes only. Saying the toys do not represent the G1 characters is just ridiculously pedantic to me.

Bullycon wrote:Same goes for previous movie lines. Movie Crankcase is G1 Crankcase. Movie Breakaway is G1 Getaway. ROTF Bludgeon is G1 Bludgeon. They are in the movie toylines for marketing purposes only. Saying the toys do not represent the G1 characters is just ridiculously pedantic to me.

This is a hard one for me.
Movie Optimus Prime is a different character than G1 Optimus Prime. Still, Movie Prime is based on G1 Prime.
I like to think that way about Bludgeon, Seaspray, Crankcase etc.

I would like to think that a certain series hold figures that belong in that same universe. Of course this doesn't work with Universe 2.0 and Generations (because the War for Cybertron figures belong in the Prime Universe).
To me it would make much more sence when the PCC, HftD and RtS series belong somewhere in one certain universe each.

Angelus wrote:

Bullycon wrote:Same goes for previous movie lines. Movie Crankcase is G1 Crankcase. Movie Breakaway is G1 Getaway. ROTF Bludgeon is G1 Bludgeon. They are in the movie toylines for marketing purposes only. Saying the toys do not represent the G1 characters is just ridiculously pedantic to me.

This is a hard one for me.
Movie Optimus Prime is a different character than G1 Optimus Prime. Still, Movie Prime is based on G1 Prime.
I like to think that way about Bludgeon, Seaspray, Crankcase etc.

The Optimus Prime toy is specifically designed to be the Movie Optimus Prime character, even if it is based on the G1 character. Much like Cybertron Excellion is an homage to G1 Hot Rod, but is not G1 Hot Rod.

Sea Spray was designed to be G1 Seaspray. It is in the movie line simply because that's what retailers want to sell.

Angelus wrote:I would like to think that a certain series hold figures that belong in that same universe. Of course this doesn't work with Universe 2.0 and Generations (because the War for Cybertron figures belong in the Prime Universe).
To me it would make much more sence when the PCC, HftD and RtS series belong somewhere in one certain universe each.

That would certainly make collecting only a certain universe much easier, but I just can't see that that's the case anymore.

To me, Seaspray's legs put him squarely in the movieverse, not G1. But whatever works for you is the only true answer.

Optimum Supreme wrote:To me, Seaspray's legs put him squarely in the movieverse, not G1. But whatever works for you is the only true answer.

You are so right!