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keeknuts wrote:

Tramp wrote:Those are Alternators.

Duh!!!! He was just suggesting that those could be possible forms for soundwave. Here you go again me, me, me!!! The world does not revolve around your comments. The majority of the people on this forum (from reading comments) seem agree that soundwave should not be a boombox.

Don't be so hard on Tramp. He has his opinion and it is a strong one, we should respect that and don't attack anyone when we disagree. We can agree to disagree can't we?

esclavo wrote:

keeknuts wrote:

Tramp wrote:Those are Alternators.

Duh!!!! He was just suggesting that those could be possible forms for soundwave. Here you go again me, me, me!!! The world does not revolve around your comments. The majority of the people on this forum (from reading comments) seem agree that soundwave should not be a boombox.

Don't be so hard on Tramp. He has his opinion and it is a strong one, we should respect that and don't attack anyone when we disagree. We can agree to disagree can't we?

Agree, but if you have read any of the other comments he was posted he always finds a way to either downsize others ideas or to make those ideas seem obliviously not to par with his. Trump I'm not trying to take you down or say that your concept of what soundwave should be is wrong, but I think you need to just lay off it just a little when commenting on what everyone else thinks, especially when they dont agree wi9th you ideas.

Unless they can find something reasonable for Soundwave to be, then no Soundwave.

Shadowman wrote:Unless they can find something reasonable for Soundwave to be, then no Soundwave.

Personally I thought a helicopter was reasonable, before they codenamed him Incenerator/Vortex & finally called it Blackout. But I really like the looks of that comm truck on page 1.

keeknuts wrote:

esclavo wrote:

keeknuts wrote:

Tramp wrote:Those are Alternators.

Duh!!!! He was just suggesting that those could be possible forms for soundwave. Here you go again me, me, me!!! The world does not revolve around your comments. The majority of the people on this forum (from reading comments) seem agree that soundwave should not be a boombox.

Don't be so hard on Tramp. He has his opinion and it is a strong one, we should respect that and don't attack anyone when we disagree. We can agree to disagree can't we?

Agree, but if you have read any of the other comments he was posted he always finds a way to either downsize others ideas or to make those ideas seem obliviously not to par with his. Trump I'm not trying to take you down or say that your concept of what soundwave should be is wrong, but I think you need to just lay off it just a little when commenting on what everyone else thinks, especially when they dont agree wi9th you ideas.

Keeknuts, it isn't simply about those ideas not meshing with what I want. None of those ideas fit Soundwave period. They're too concspicuous, don't mesh with his function or his personality, and have nothing to do with him as a character, nor his iconic appearance. The only thing that works with Soundwave is a stereo mode with mass conversion. That is his iconic form. That is the form that allows him to fit in anywhere without notice. That is the form that allows him to best utilise his abilities as well as his minions. He does not need a mobile alternate mode. He needs mass conversion, and he needs his stereo mode. Without them he is not Soundwave.

Soundwave is the news-crew van.

Frenzy, Rumble, Ravage, Ratbat pops out of the van.

Frenzy and Rumble are news-crew men. Human form, but robot inside.

Ravage is a video equipment.

Ratbat is the van antenna. Ratbat transforms and flies.

Auto Bot wrote:Soundwave is the news-crew van.

Frenzy, Rumble, Ravage, Ratbat pops out of the van.

Frenzy and Rumble are news-crew men. Human form, but robot inside.

Ravage is a video equipment.

Ratbat is the van antenna. Ratbat transforms and flies.

Frenzy is dead. Secondly, a news van is sure to draw attention. It's a huge advertisement saying "something big is going down, come check it out!" Real inconspicuous.

hey they might bring frenzy back for the sequel... it was only his head split in two... nothing major.... then you'll have your boombox/radio back and soundwave can be a newsvan/comms vehicle/jap import with speakers/etc./etc. and everyone will be happy.

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Soundwave is the news-crew van.

Frenzy, Rumble, Ravage, Ratbat pops out of the van.

Frenzy and Rumble are news-crew men. Human form, but robot inside.

Ravage is a video equipment.

Ratbat is the van antenna. Ratbat transforms and flies.

Frenzy is dead. Secondly, a news van is sure to draw attention. It's a huge advertisement saying "something big is going down, come check it out!" Real inconspicuous.

Oh, yeah. We can leave out Frenzy.

Soundwave, Rumble, Ravage, Ratbat will do.

Rumble can have some sort of sonic vibration device that can cause earth movement or shatter hard objects. Giving more meaning to his name.

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Soundwave is the news-crew van.

Frenzy, Rumble, Ravage, Ratbat pops out of the van.

Frenzy and Rumble are news-crew men. Human form, but robot inside.

Ravage is a video equipment.

Ratbat is the van antenna. Ratbat transforms and flies.

Frenzy is dead. Secondly, a news van is sure to draw attention. It's a huge advertisement saying "something big is going down, come check it out!" Real inconspicuous.

You'ld think the same thing about an emergency vehicle fleeing from a firey crash site instead of rushing to it to provide support, yet it was in the first movie.

Seriously, man, in a movie series where everything in the modern world was supposedly backwards-engineered from an frozen robot found around 1910, which anybody could look in a history book & figure out to be complete BS....not to mention a human-sized robot, in broad view of everybody, hopping off of Air Force 1 after an attack & getting into a police car without anybody noticing......& you believe nothing other than a big-ass boombox could infiltrate the nearest power plant to steal its formula for anti-matter because anything other than that would be too noticable, that & his minions are useless anyway....aside from carrying him off(as if a giant robotic bird flying him out of the plant wouldn't be obvious enough)?

I think at this point, you're just grasping at straws....about 19 pages worth.....

kendragon wrote:hey they might bring frenzy back for the sequel... it was only his head split in two... nothing major.... then you'll have your boombox/radio back and soundwave can be a newsvan/comms vehicle/jap import with speakers/etc./etc. and everyone will be happy.

The very fact that his head was split in two is what makes him permanently dead. His brain case is destroyed. That is universally fatal. You are also missing my point. It is Soundwave that needs to be a boombox. End of story. No vehicle fits him. They are all too conspicuous or have nothing to do with his function or name which was based off of his alternate mode to begin with.

nemesis Cyberplex wrote:You'ld think the same thing about an emergency vehicle fleeing from a firey crash site instead of rushing to it to provide support, yet it was in the first movie.

Seriously, man, in a movie series where everything in the modern world was supposedly backwards-engineered from an frozen robot found around 1910, which anybody could look in a history book & figure out to be complete BS....not to mention a human-sized robot, in broad view of everybody, hopping off of Air Force 1 after an attack & getting into a police car without anybody noticing......& you believe nothing other than a big-ass boombox could infiltrate the nearest power plant to steal its formula for anti-matter because anything other than that would be too noticable, that & his minions are useless anyway....aside from carrying him off(as if a giant robotic bird flying him out of the plant wouldn't be obvious enough)?

I think at this point, you're just grasping at straws....about 19 pages worth.....

Frenzy slpiied by the cops and such because he made sure their backs were turned before moving. He used stealth. Also, how is a vehicle going to get inside a building. It can't It would have to remain parked outside, which is counter-productive. By having a stereo alternate mode, a mode which fits either indoors or outdoors, Soundwave can work directly with his minions to complete theiur mission in the most efficient way possible.

Picture this scenerio: It's night time a small shadowy figure slips into an office building of some technology firm or something like that. The next day we see the office workers and techs going about their tasks, and while the camera pans around the building, it briefely pauses on a modular portable stereo on a shelf in a central location, a romote control on a near-by desk, a MP3 player with ear jack at a tech station further down the way, and maybe a cell phone in a lab on the other side of the building. These are Soundwave and his minions having just completed the first phase of their mission. We then see from the stereo's perspective and if seein things through his optics, the people milling about doing their business and data streams in from his minions and then sends a signal to each in turn, all the while recording what is occuring throughout the room. At the tech station, when no one is looking, the MP3 player transforms into Laserbeak (Booster X-10) and surreptisciously plugs himself into the computer before transfoming back to escape notice. The remote becomes Ravage who jacks into the secratary's computer and begins downloading other files before once again taking on his disguise. The cell phone becomes Rumble who sneaks around the lab to find their primary objective—some piece of tech they wish to steal. Upon finding it, he grabs it and gives the signal to Soundwave, who transfoms, growing to full size, ripping through the ceiling causing as much panic and destruction as possible and allowing his minions to slip away just as one of the other Decepticons (maybe Barricade) arrives in an alleyway. The minions get in, and they wait a few minutes while Soundwave completes his part of the mission, which maybe entailed abducting a key individual. He trows that person in Barricade and transforms back into stereo mode, shrinking down to the proper size before transforming back without mass converting, and climbing into Barricade as they drive off.

Tramp wrote:

kendragon wrote:hey they might bring frenzy back for the sequel... it was only his head split in two... nothing major.... then you'll have your boombox/radio back and soundwave can be a newsvan/comms vehicle/jap import with speakers/etc./etc. and everyone will be happy.

The very fact that his head was split in two is what makes him permanently dead. His brain case is destroyed. That is universally fatal.

To prove this point:

How many Transformers were shot in the chest (Which is most commonly where the Spark is located) in the '86 movie?

Justicity wrote:

tyler1451 wrote:iPod dock with speakers, sorry but he will be something small
maybe this will be him,

Ok... I can understand a "Boombox", but an Ipod?
Have you seen how tiny they are? Even with mass shifting, it'd still be a stupidly thin/tiny robot.
With the dock... It'd still be quite small, but at least it would be a bit more bulky.

no the dock, the ipod is laser beak

Shadowman wrote:

Tramp wrote:

kendragon wrote:hey they might bring frenzy back for the sequel... it was only his head split in two... nothing major.... then you'll have your boombox/radio back and soundwave can be a newsvan/comms vehicle/jap import with speakers/etc./etc. and everyone will be happy.

The very fact that his head was split in two is what makes him permanently dead. His brain case is destroyed. That is universally fatal.

To prove this point:

How many Transformers were shot in the chest (Which is most commonly where the Spark is located) in the '86 movie?

Actually, according to TF: More than Meets the Eye #8 the spark infuses the entire body, not just one location. As stted on page 52, "The spark itself does not rst in any single, set segment of the robot, rather, it suffuses its entire being." Just like our "souls" don't reside in one part of our bodies, neither does a Transformer's spark. I'm guessing the "spark Chamber" is just where the spark is first imbued into the body and where the power flows from and channelled through. It's basically a Transformer's heart. What makes the loss of the brain casing so terminal is that it is where the neural circuitry is located. That is the brain, which controls everything and gives them a mind and individuality. Just like us, if the brain dies, they die.

Tramp wrote:office building of some technology firm or something like that

See, this is the thing that gets it right there. You're talking about a civillian institution here. Why then would stealth even be necessary? They could simply smash in, take what they want, & smash back out before anybody that could stop them would be the wiser. Key part: ANYBODY THAT COULD STOP THEM. I mean, if Blackout can do it at a military base, where they are somewhat equipped to stop a giant alien robot from getting what he wants, why would a civillian institution, where they wouldn't be prepared be a threat? & afterwards, he could turn into something not too terribly conspicuous, similar to what Ratchet did after landing, & no one would be the wiser.

....Let me guess response would be: But he would draw too much attention- Boombox. Right?

tyler1451 wrote:

Justicity wrote:

tyler1451 wrote:iPod dock with speakers, sorry but he will be something small
maybe this will be him,

Ok... I can understand a "Boombox", but an Ipod?
Have you seen how tiny they are? Even with mass shifting, it'd still be a stupidly thin/tiny robot.
With the dock... It'd still be quite small, but at least it would be a bit more bulky.

no the dock, the ipod is laser beak

That's one tiny little bird...

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Tramp wrote:office building of some technology firm or something like that

See, this is the thing that gets it right there. You're talking about a civillian institution here. Why then would stealth even be necessary? They could simply smash in, take what they want, & smash back out before anybody that could stop them would be the wiser. Key part: ANYBODY THAT COULD STOP THEM. I mean, if Blackout can do it at a military base, where they are somewhat equipped to stop a giant alien robot from getting what he wants, why would a civillian institution, where they wouldn't be prepared be a threat? & afterwards, he could turn into something not too terribly conspicuous, similar to what Ratchet did after landing, & no one would be the wiser.

....Let me guess response would be: But he would draw too much attention- Boombox. Right?

Why would they sneak in, instead of just a smash and grab? Simple. Reconnaicsance. They use stealth to infiltrate and gather information on their objective as well as their human subjects, then once that phase is complete, then, and only then, do they move on to stage two which is aquiring their objectives. This same scenerio works for both a civilian target (private or government) or military target. It doesn't matter which. If the same scenerio were used on a military base, The only thing that would change is who does the pick-up. On a military base, it would be a Decepticon with a military alternate mode.

Well, for being worried about attracting too much attention, you don't seem to have a problem with Soundwave smashing in the roof, and then waiting for Barricade, A POLICE CAR, to come pick him up. Soundwave is a Transformer, not some junior high kid waiting for his mom outside the movie theatre. He needs to have an alt mode which will allow him to function on his own, while holding his minions. Like something with wheels. And an engine. I'm leaning towards...a car. I just don't understand why you feel Soundwave has to have an alt mode so similar to his G1 role. I highly doubt the name Soundwave, when translated into Cybertronian, reads, "My name is about Sound, so I can't be any type of surveillance vehicle, so I should be a boombox."

Sentinel Pax wrote:Well, for being worried about attracting too much attention, you don't seem to have a problem with Soundwave smashing in the roof, and then waiting for Barricade, A POLICE CAR, to come pick him up. Soundwave is a Transformer, not some junior high kid waiting for his mom outside the movie theatre. He needs to have an alt mode which will allow him to function on his own, while holding his minions. Like something with wheels. And an engine. I'm leaning towards...a car. I just don't understand why you feel Soundwave has to have an alt mode so similar to his G1 role. I highly doubt the name Soundwave, when translated into Cybertronian, reads, "My name is about Sound, so I can't be any type of surveillance vehicle, so I should be a boombox."

No, he doesn't need to be self-mobile. That is the one thing he absolutely does not need. He needs an alternate mode which grants him the greatest anonymity and allows him to fit in anywhere he needs to in order to accomplish the mission with or without his minions, and which optimizes his primary function. He doesn't need a self-mobile alternate mode for that. He could also simply take off in robot mode. Who says he can't fly using a built in jet pack? The only thing he needs an alternate mode for is disguise during the infiltration and surveylance phase of a mission. That is all.

Well, goddamn, let's just make Soundwave the porta potty like in Robot Chicken! He'll be completely non-mobile, he can infiltrate any sort of construction site, and he'll get plenty of information about all kinds of people. Hell, Ravage can be a roll of toilet paper and Laserbeak can be a can of Febreeze. The only problem with that, and with any other non-mobile alt mode, is that he'll be extremely vulnerable to punks knocking him over while occupied. But, hey, as long as he's not sticking out, right?

Very funny Sentinel Pax. Seriously, What would a portapotty have to do that would help in communications and reconnaisance? Nothing. A stereo does. It is an electronic device for starters which picks up and decodes radio signals and can decode thm and play them back as audio, with a DVD player and monitor, it can also play back visual. Being electronic, it can also disguise his recording features so that he can record everythign that goes on around him while he remaines completely unnoticed. It also allows his minions to jack directly into him via various ports and download their data into him or for him to upload data to them directly. It is the perfect alternate mode for him, and the ideal upgrade from his iconic G1 incarnation.

Tramp wrote:
Why would they sneak in, instead of just a smash and grab? Simple. Reconnaicsance. They use stealth to infiltrate and gather information on their objective as well as their human subjects, then once that phase is complete, then, and only then, do they move on to stage two which is aquiring their objectives.

Why not just hack the net, find out all of this stuff, & then do a smash & grab? They could do that from a secure location where being conspicuous isn't even a factor.

This same scenerio works for both a civilian target (private or government) or military target. It doesn't matter which. If the same scenerio were used on a military base, The only thing that would change is who does the pick-up. On a military base, it would be a Decepticon with a military alternate mode.

No, the difference would be the kind of resistance. A civillian location would have mall type rent-a-cops at best....might have a pistol...might. A government location would have armed secret service types with possible hot-buttons for calling in military backup...provided they could get there in time before the intruder gets away. Military institution would really be the only real threat, & even then the comm truck idea would be perfect for sneaking in minions.

But bottom line is, TF2 isn't going to be any kind of mission: impossible type movie where they focus on Soundwave doing espionage....that'd be just plain boring. What they're going to have is another Michael Bay movie: explosions, car chases, & boobies. That says to me Soundwave is going to sneak up, smash stuff, possibly with high intensity sound-based shockwaves, throw out minions left & right to add more chaos, & then all of them just dissappear...all without mass shifting.

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All of which, I'm sure, this kind of vehicle is perfectly able to do, while allowing Soundwave mobility and independence, lest his mission goes ill and he finds himself in need of a speedy exit.

No. It can't. No vehicle can go inside a building, and that vehicle would only fit in at a military base. It would not fit in in a city. It would draw attention. There is no vehicle that would work for Soundwave. Period.

Skullgrin140 wrote:

Nuff said

Perfect and ravage could still pop out of his chest!