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If you could design your own series?

Postby Windsweeper » Mon May 12, 2008 7:09 pm

If you could design your own series of TF toys, what would you do?

Personally, I'd take all the deluxe cars of recent years and scale them down to Basics. Why? I hear you ask. Well, I look at the likes of Movie Barricade and Stockade and Classics Rodimus and while they are all great toys in their own right, one thing bothers me about them.

They are all out of scale with the G1 reissues like Prowl and Sideswipe. The scale thing has always bothered me and I'd just love to see the likes of Rodimus and Barricade in scale with the originals.

If you think downsizing them to Basics would detract from their articulation, take a look at Basic Strongarm, one of the coolest TF's ever.

What can I say, I jusy love the Diaclone guys and just want to swell their ranks with more cool TF cars, Autobot and Decepticon.

Hell, in keeping with the topic, I'd throw in the G2 Stormtroopers and Laser Rods, very underrated and excellent Basic/Scout size cars. Oh and finally upgrade all Spychangers to Basics too. Stormtrooper Drench shares their transformation scheme and I love him. Of course if you could work in Laser Rod articulation, you'd have the best slaggin TF cars ever.

Would also love a repaint line with a theme each year.

For example, Actionmasters

Energon Divebomb as Banzai-tron
Energon Sharkticon as Krok
Rapid Run as Rad

Wreckers

Strongarm as Roadbuster
Reverse Megatron as Impactor

IDW

Movie Wreckage as Bludgeon
Sharkticon as Finback
Titanium Starscream as Bombburst
Cybertron Ransack as Iguanus

G2 comics

Cybertron Starscream as Jhiaxus
Energon Barricade as Mindset

So what's everyone think?
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Cyber-Kun » Mon May 12, 2008 7:12 pm

I always thought that Cybertron Unicron would make an awesome Bludgeon
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Sowndwave76 » Mon May 12, 2008 8:17 pm

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I would like to see a series that is based on big gestalts.
Ultra sized figures for the torsos, Deluxe sized for limbs.

Ideally, they'd be fully articulated when combined.

Also, I'd like to see each team involve more than 5 characters.
Here's why:

1. You could create options for which characters were used to combine.
This would create variety, would also provide more choices, and result in a more individualized team/combiner for the consumer.
Not that every limb could be an arm, but there may be 3 different figs. that all could be arms, and 3 different figs that all could be legs for one gestalt.
Buy all 3 for the arms (and/or legs), or the 2 you like the best.

2. It would be cool if smaller figs. (Scout class?) had alt modes that were weapons for the gestalts.
Shoulder cannons, guns, swords, axes, etc.
I would still have each of these be a 'bot or 'con,
but again, this would give you more variety.
If you wanted 2 of your Decepticon getalts to have shoulder cannons, and another to have 2 swords, so be it, you can make it happen.

Would it be realistic from either an engineering or business standpoint?
Ehhhh....
But I think it'd be pretty sweet.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby primeoptimus » Mon May 12, 2008 8:31 pm

i would make a series in the shattered glass universe:
evil autobots-
optimus prime-recolored armada prime and sparkplug in motormaster colors.
ratchet-recolered armada red alert in constructicon colors with a new head, no mini-con.
ironhide-botcon ironhide in 2007 movie colors.
bumblebee-classics bumblebee in bugbite colors.
jazz-classics prowl in jazz colors.
heroic decepticons-
megatron-armada megatron in optimus colors.leader1 mini-con.
bludgeon-classics galvatron. new head,bludgeon colors.
shockwave-alternators shockwave. in perceptor's colors.
combaticons-energon molds,colors of g1 aerialbots. new bruticus head.
soundwave and ravage-g1 molds.blaster's colors.

also,a nuetral-bot:

sideways-armada mold. recolored into road pig's colors.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Liege Evilmus » Mon May 12, 2008 8:33 pm

I'd have top noth technical artwork, set it on Cybertron, and have very strong dirrect tie ins with G1, and Beast Wars, as apose to just some throw backs.

I'd definetly go back to the anything and everything goes in the way of the concepts and toys, cars, planes, objects, bases, spaceships, playsets...

You name it, you got! Everything but repaints, if for whatever reason 2 or more characters are similar, a retooling will be done instead.

I would have solid one shot stories that advanced in detail to bring a season together, and focus on cannon, character development, and of course kick ass battles.

The episodes wouldn't just favor being told from one side, and you can bet that the bad guys would have more than small victories.

And yes, I'd call it Transformers Universe, since I'd want the story to include past present and future, and explain deeply the Transformers hystory.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Autobot Jazz » Mon May 12, 2008 8:58 pm

primeoptimus wrote:i would make a series in the shattered glass universe:
evil autobots-
optimus prime-recolored armada prime and sparkplug in motormaster colors.
ratchet-recolered armada red alert in constructicon colors with a new head, no mini-con.
ironhide-botcon ironhide in 2007 movie colors.
bumblebee-classics bumblebee in bugbite colors.
jazz-classics prowl in jazz colors.
heroic decepticons-
megatron-armada megatron in optimus colors.leader1 mini-con.
bludgeon-classics galvatron. new head,bludgeon colors.
shockwave-alternators shockwave. in perceptor's colors.
combaticons-energon molds,colors of g1 aerialbots. new bruticus head.
soundwave and ravage-g1 molds.blaster's colors.

also,a nuetral-bot:

sideways-armada mold. recolored into road pig's colors.

I second this, Shattered glass is awesomesauce. I'd do some things differnet though, such as re-release the Botcon exclusives instead of making new fgiures of characters that have already been established.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Valandar » Mon May 12, 2008 9:09 pm

Motto: "It doesn't matter if the glass is half full or half empty, only that you work to make it full."
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First thing I would do is decide what characters would have Earth modes, which would have Cybertronian, and which would have beast modes.

The Cybertronian mode figures would be scaled bto fit holes in the line after other figures are scaled. The Earth alt modes would have their scales based on their Earth alt modes, and most animals would be Basics, except for those that became mythical or otherwise large animals. For this purpose, I'd have VERY compact cars, and smaller non-car alt modes as Basics, normal automobile and automobile-sized others as Deluxes, and so on.

Yes, I prefer Deluxe sized cars. Most of the movie line cars, plus Ironhide, Ratchet, and the Arcee repaints are thus perfectly in scale.

Any other alt mode would be scaled as close as possible, unless there's no way to squeeze a HYUGE alt mode into even Supreme size class (like, say, a Fort Max recreation), in which case it would be fudged into Supreme or Leader. The opposite holds true, too - if its alt mode is normally TINY, like a scorpion or a beetle, it's scaled to fit whatever is needed in the line (but as close to Basic as possible)

So, let's say we had ten figures: Audrey, Bones, Chaser, Delta, Echo, Fibber, Gobotnik, Halflife, Impeter, and Joint. We decide the following:

Audrey, Fibber, and Impeter are beast-modes. Specifically an elephant, a jackal, and a monkey.

Bones, Echo, Gobotnik, and Halflife will have Earth Modes. Bones will be a hearse, Echo a sportscar, Gobotnik an ice cream truck, and Halflife turns into a nuclear missile.

Finally, Chaser, Delta, and Joint have Cybertronian modes. Chaser is a space jet, Delta a cybertronian sportscar, and Joint a cheesey drill tank.

Now, we begin with the Earth modes. A hearse and a sportscar are vaguely close enough in scale that we can make Bones and Echo both Deluxes. Perhaps Bones has less folding than normal, so that while his robot mode ends up the same overall size as Echo, his vehicle form seems larger. An ice cream truck is enough larger that we make Gobotnik a Voyager, and a nuclear missile is so large we make him the Supreme for the series.

An elephant is larger than an ice cream truck, so we decide to make Audrey an African Bull elephant, and make her an Ultra. On the other hand, jackals and monkeys are much smaller than normal cars, so they're both Basics.

Since the remaining three are Cybertronian, we base their scale on holes needed in the line. As yet we have no Leader class, two Basics, two Deluxes, one Voyager, one Ultra, and one Supreme. So we decide the drill tank Joint is large enough that it will be the Leader. We also decide to put Chaser the jet as a Voyager, and Delta the cybertronian car as a Deluxe.

Obviously this is just an example, and ten figures doesn't make a line large enough for all the size classes, but it gets my point across.

Now the next big thing is the story. What is the new take on transforming robots we're going with THIS time? Is it another reboot, neccessitating a new Prime, Megs, etc? Or is it a look at a section we never got a closer look at elsewhere, meaning all new figures? Oh, wait, that's a stupid question, another reboot as always. *sigh* Never can get a break.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby 8 bit » Mon May 12, 2008 9:36 pm

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Although I don't think it would catch on with most buyers, I'd like to see a TF classic cars series. The closest thing we have right now is Cyb. Downshift and Classic BB from the movie—which are great, but I'd like to see a whole series of old cars from the 30s through the 70s. Maybe even a crossover series with classic TV and movie cars like the Ghostbuster's car or the Batmobile.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Liege Evilmus » Mon May 12, 2008 9:40 pm

BumbleScream84 wrote:Although I don't think it would catch on with most buyers, I'd like to see a TF classic cars series. The closest thing we have right now is Cyb. Downshift and Classic BB from the movie—which are great, but I'd like to see a whole series of old cars from the 30s through the 70s. Maybe even a crossover series with classic TV and movie cars like the Ghostbuster's car or the Batmobile.


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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Repair Bay » Mon May 12, 2008 9:43 pm

I'd reboot it again. Definitely have *Masters, and start from G1, include characters from other Universes and rework some characters just a little bit.

Remember Scrounge? Blaster's little buddy in the Marvel issues when we first got a look at Cybertron?

Flatbed truck equipped to hold a rocket/missile. That rocket/missile?

Blaster.

Something to that effect. I'm still working it out.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Valandar » Mon May 12, 2008 10:25 pm

Motto: "It doesn't matter if the glass is half full or half empty, only that you work to make it full."
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Okay, part two - gimmicks!

I prefer to stay as far away from line-wide gimmicks as possible, myself (like minicons and cyber-keys), so we'll take this on a case by case basis.

The first type of gimmick is one based on the character's "special power", if any. Classic examples would be various hidden weapons in the Cybertron and Armada lines, or Movie CC Bumblebee's gun that unfolds into an energy blade. As an elephant, I can see the trunk either simply being a rifle in bot mode, or preferably an over the shoulder cannon for Audrey, but that's not a gimmick. So, I decide that the ears hide an array of lots and LOTS of small rockets. A hidden catch causes the front of the ears (shoulder-mounted in bot mode) to flip open, revealing the missile pods.

The second type of gimmick is combining in some way, shape, or form. This includes 'normal' gestalts, as well as things like headmaster / powermasters and duocons, even Powerlinx type stuff. Looking at the existing characters, I decide that Halflife would make a cool Headmaster type, and it would be hilarious for the hearse and ice cream truck to be capable of doing a two-man combine a la Powerlinx.

The third type is a gimmick that has nothing to do with the character itself, such as automorph or flip-changing or the like, Since such things are usually in the transformation proccess, I decide to skip this, as they really need to be line-wide gimmicks.

The final type as I see it is accessories. As the smallest of them all, Impeter would end up having lots of left-over plastic. So, why not make a transforming gun? In robot mode it's his high-powered grenade launcher, but in monkey form - it's a large coconut.

This leaves five figures without explicit gimmicks, so I decide on a type one for most of them, mostly hidden weapons except a capture claw for chaser, and a type four for, say, Joint - his drill cone turns into a jet pack.

And so it goes...
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Primacron's Little Helper » Mon May 12, 2008 11:13 pm

Windsweeper wrote:IDW
Movie Wreckage as Bludgeon
Sharkticon as Finback
Titanium Starscream as Bombburst
Cybertron Ransack as Iguanus

I like the idea of Classics/Universe series featuring the tail-end G1 characters such as the Pretenders. Actually I'd be quite happy with Revoltech versions of these characters.

Does anyone remember seeing a thread about a Galvatron model (available on BBTS)? Bludgeon and Thunderwing were due to be the next figures made, I recently found a picture of Bludgeon on TFW2005:

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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Bumblethumper » Mon May 12, 2008 11:22 pm

BumbleScream84 wrote:Although I don't think it would catch on with most buyers, I'd like to see a TF classic cars series. The closest thing we have right now is Cyb. Downshift and Classic BB from the movie—which are great, but I'd like to see a whole series of old cars from the 30s through the 70s. Maybe even a crossover series with classic TV and movie cars like the Ghostbuster's car or the Batmobile.



This is the sort of thing I'm always for. I liked Downshift and I look forward to picking up Venom from the Crossover series and Lockdown from Animated. I welcome 70s-style muscle cars, but I'd like to see a greater variety of vintages in general.

This was my problem with alternators. Too many were generic modern sports cars. I don't like the idea that every alt mode needs to be a current model of car. Some probably should be, but it's something that should vary depending on the personality of the character. Some bots will be old and cranky, some will be retro hipsters, others youthful and dynamic. The alt mode should reflect those character traits.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Bumblethumper » Mon May 12, 2008 11:42 pm

Windsweeper wrote:If you could design your own series of TF toys, what would you do?

Personally, I'd take all the deluxe cars of recent years and scale them down to Basics. Why? I hear you ask. Well, I look at the likes of Movie Barricade and Stockade and Classics Rodimus and while they are all great toys in their own right, one thing bothers me about them.

They are all out of scale with the G1 reissues like Prowl and Sideswipe. The scale thing has always bothered me and I'd just love to see the likes of Rodimus and Barricade in scale with the originals.

If you think downsizing them to Basics would detract from their articulation, take a look at Basic Strongarm, one of the coolest TF's ever.

What can I say, I jusy love the Diaclone guys and just want to swell their ranks with more cool TF cars, Autobot and Decepticon.



I like the basic/scout class size in general. The main problem is it's never quite in scale with the deluxes.

I'd like to see them do some basic sized figures that manage as good alt modes as they've done with recent deluxes. The basics from the Unicron trilogy lines, the alt modes just aren't quite on a par with what they've done in Classics and on the movie.

Going back to G1 reissues, just for the heck of it, I'd be interested in seeing what they could do in terms of re-tooling them. They've already been known to produce ones with more accurate re-tooled head sculpts. I wonder would it be possible to take more popular characters and alter the molds with things like some additional articulation, and heads for the headless Ratchet and Ironhide. You could call the line G 1.1 or something like that.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby buddhaquest » Mon May 12, 2008 11:43 pm

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I'd love to do a series where a group of Decepticons return to Cybertron after the events of the Beast Machines finale.

I'd make sure all the figures are to scale and that all non-Decepticons are highly flammable.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby woosh » Tue May 13, 2008 2:59 am

I'd make a mixture of Shattered Glass and War Within. With much better designs (Titanium megatron... URGGHHHH).

Shockwave as an armoured missile launcher vehicle.
Megatron.. I don't know, but NOT a tank.
OP- armoured truck
bumblebee/cliffjumper- cybertronian cars.
Brawn- jeep.
Starscream and the other seekers- Cybertronian jets.
Jazz- cybertronian sports car, very sleek and all jazzed up.
The Fallen- Remold of OP with evtra cannons, damage and a different face
Jetfire- Animated inspird cyb Jet.
Hot rod- Remold of Jazz
Wheeljack- Cubertronian car, Ferrari Enzo inspired.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby bcm77 » Tue May 13, 2008 7:45 am

I'd hire the Jizaitoys people and do a full line of "Perfect Transformation" toys.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Dagon » Tue May 13, 2008 8:36 am

Motto: "Ain't nobody got time fo dat....."
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Autobot Jazz wrote:
primeoptimus wrote:i would make a series in the shattered glass universe:
evil autobots-
optimus prime-recolored armada prime and sparkplug in motormaster colors.
ratchet-recolered armada red alert in constructicon colors with a new head, no mini-con.
ironhide-botcon ironhide in 2007 movie colors.
bumblebee-classics bumblebee in bugbite colors.
jazz-classics prowl in jazz colors.
heroic decepticons-
megatron-armada megatron in optimus colors.leader1 mini-con.
bludgeon-classics galvatron. new head,bludgeon colors.
shockwave-alternators shockwave. in perceptor's colors.
combaticons-energon molds,colors of g1 aerialbots. new bruticus head.
soundwave and ravage-g1 molds.blaster's colors.

also,a nuetral-bot:

sideways-armada mold. recolored into road pig's colors.

I second this, Shattered glass is awesomesauce. I'd do some things differnet though, such as re-release the Botcon exclusives instead of making new fgiures of characters that have already been established.



I think the Shattered Glass idea is one of the best in years. Takes characters we all know but by reversing the Autobot/Decepticon ploarities like that, they made everything new again.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby 8 bit » Tue May 13, 2008 2:12 pm

Motto: "You only live thrice."
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Liege Evilmus wrote:Go look for the G2 Lazer Rods :grin:

If you can find them afordably, you'll be pleased.

I’m definitely digging this guy as well as some others I found. I had no idea G2 made such cool little dudes!
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I completely forgot about Venom, and Lockdown certainly resembles a muscle car. I also forgot to mention G1 Tracks, I think a 70s Corvette qualifies.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Bumblethumper » Tue May 13, 2008 4:46 pm

I'd love to get Electro there, but the ones I've seen were in bits. The trouble is with the gold plastic. Seems to get crumbly with age.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby primeoptimus » Tue May 13, 2008 6:35 pm

Autobot Jazz wrote:
primeoptimus wrote:i would make a series in the shattered glass universe:
evil autobots-
optimus prime-recolored armada prime and sparkplug in motormaster colors.
ratchet-recolered armada red alert in constructicon colors with a new head, no mini-con.
ironhide-botcon ironhide in 2007 movie colors.
bumblebee-classics bumblebee in bugbite colors.
jazz-classics prowl in jazz colors.
heroic decepticons-
megatron-armada megatron in optimus colors.leader1 mini-con.
bludgeon-classics galvatron. new head,bludgeon colors.
shockwave-alternators shockwave. in perceptor's colors.
combaticons-energon molds,colors of g1 aerialbots. new bruticus head.
soundwave and ravage-g1 molds.blaster's colors.

also,a nuetral-bot:

sideways-armada mold. recolored into road pig's colors.

I second this, Shattered glass is awesomesauce. I'd do some things differnet though, such as re-release the Botcon exclusives instead of making new fgiures of characters that have already been established.





okay here's my revised cast list:
evil autobots-
optimus-the botcon toy
jazz-the botcon toy
bumblebee-goldbug botcon toy with a recolored head.
grimlock-the botcon toy.
blurr-the botcon toy.
nightbeat-the botcon recolored one from the customizing class.
riccochet-the botcon toy.
ironhide-botcon ironhide in 2007 movie colors.
alpha trion-unreleased universe toy.

humans-
spike and fort. max.-a remold and repaint of cybertron metroplex into a headmaster,the headbot is spike.

heroic decepticons-
megatron-the botcon toy.
sideswipe and whisper-the botcon toys.
starscream-the botcon toy.

the heroic predacons-
divebomb-beastwars silverbolt in divebomb colors.
razorclaw-cyb. leobreaker in razorclaw colors.
rampage-beastwars transmetal cheetor in rampage colors.
headstrong-beastwars ironhide in headstrong colors.
tantrum-beastwars bonecrusher in tantrum colors.
predaking-the 5 listed above will be remolded into a combiner team.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Windsweeper » Tue May 13, 2008 6:39 pm

I have Electro and Volt, in fact all the Laser Rods. The gold plastic is a serious problem as his leg has fallen apart. Anyway, I always thought that Electron and Volt would have been cool as reformatted Kup and Ironhide.

I can see the old timers going for the old style vehicles for some reason especially Electro as Kup since Kup is a Cybertronian pickup. Plus they fit in better with Prowl and co

That said, I'd love to see the Decepticon Sizzle repainted as Armada Red Alert with an old style beacon attached to his roof.

During this topic, the Bludgeon/Wreckage repaint idea and retooling of Ratchet/Ironhide has been thrown around. I've been very lucky in recent months because I've managed to get several customs on Ebay which are exactly what's been suggested. The Wreckage repaint as Bludgeon really works from the head to the flick out blades.

I've also gotten Custom heads that clip onto G1 Ratchet and Ironhide and I just can't put Ironhide down these days.

As for Basics, I got a cool custom of Clocker/Swerve repainted as Hot Rod. Regrettably I don't have a digital camera to provide pics. Anyway not to go on a Bluestreak type tangent but there are some nice Customs out there if only someone would repaint Energon Divebomb as Banzai-tron or Tidal Wave as Broadside.

Must say I'm pleasantly surprised at the response to my topic. Some really nice ideas from everyone.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Bumblethumper » Tue May 13, 2008 10:53 pm

Windsweeper wrote:I have Electro and Volt, in fact all the Laser Rods. The gold plastic is a serious problem as his leg has fallen apart.


All the more reason for Hasbro to reissue/repaint it in some way. We need him in a more durable form.

Like I was saying, I don't have the mold, but I'd love to get one at some point. It looks pretty good, especially for G2. Maybe they could reissue it under Universe, or if they want to continue the 'Movie Scout' repaint line on the movie sequel, maybe they could fit some in there. And I think you're right, Electro would make a great earth mode Kup.

How does the articulation compare with more recent basic/scouts?
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Windsweeper » Thu May 15, 2008 5:03 pm

Thanks. Love the G2 toys myself and I'm a huge fan of Basics. One of my grails is a ustom repaint of Energon Divebomb as Banzai-tron.
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Re: If you could design your own series?

Postby Auto Bot » Fri May 16, 2008 5:03 am

I would recreate the movie characters in the correct scale. I'd take Voyager Prime's scale as the basis for others to follow. (Although i'm not really into Voyager Prime's design.)
I'd also make them transform more closely to the real character. Such as modifying Leader Prime to transform according to the original design, taking away all those lights and sounds gimmickry, and of course, scale down to Voyager size.
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