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As of late I've really been trying to lock this list down. It's been somewhat hard to find a complete, complete list of all classics (1.0). Is this list missing anything? The ones in bold I still need to get. Almost there!! Thanks

TRANSFORMER CLASSICS (1.0)

Fireflight (L)
Perceptor (L)
Leo Prime (L)
Trypticon (L)
Whirl (L)
Bumblebee (L)
Jetfire (L)
Menasor (L)

Astrotrain (D)
Bumblebee (D)
Cliffjumper (D)
Grimlock (D)
Mirage (D)
Starscream (D)
Ramjet (D)
Rodimus (Hot Rod) (D)
Megatron (D) The rare one (green tank) in standard classic packaging. I've pretty much given up all hope of finding this one. The only one that I've ever seen on ebay has been going for $144.00 buy it now. Someone once told me that this megatron used to be very common. (see pic)

Clear Skies (Team)
Demolition (Team)
Dinobots (Team)
Dirt Digger (Team)
Predator Attack (Team)
Night Rescue (Team)

Jetfire (V)
Megatron (V)
Optimus Prime (V)

Optimus Prime vs Megatron (2-pack)
Ultra Magnus vs Skywarp (2-pack)
Jetfire vs Grimlock (2-pack)
Constructicon Devastator (Gift Set)
Soundwave w/ Laserbeak & Ravage (G1)

Just some 2-packs I don't think got released in North America:
Rodimus vs Starscream
Bumblebee vs Astrotrain
Jetfire vs Grimlock

The ultra magnus vs prime 2-pack which I think got released over here.

And the takara versions in Japan, but I guess those might actually fall under classics 2.0. Have there been in package pics of them yet?

Hey, thanks

So this one is on my list...Jetfire vs Grimlock

but crap

these ones:
Rodimus vs Starscream
Bumblebee vs Astrotrain
The ultra magnus vs prime 2-pack
aren't

hummmm

Found some pics. Well, I guess I have to add these to my list also. Shoot, I though I was getting close. What's hard about these ones is that I already have them in singles. The completionest says get them but my practical side says nahhh..you already have them.

well, since you're counting in the Soundwave reissue, might as well put in that list the 20th anniversary OP and MP SS since they also come in Classics packaging.

zemper wrote:well, since you're counting in the Soundwave reissue, might as well put in that list the 20th anniversary OP and MP SS since they also come in Classics packaging.

I know what's up with that? Are those two officially considered classics? I've heard they aren't. I hope not cuz although I have MPSS I do not have 20th prime which is EXPENSIVE!! Are these classics? Anyone, anyone?

Yeah, MPSS would be part of the masterpiece line but where does 20th prime (in classic packaging) fall?

It's just the packaging.

But technically, Soundwave, 20th Annive Prime and MP Starscream are not part of Classics.

Auto Bot wrote:It's just the packaging.

But technically, Soundwave, 20th Annive Prime and MP Starscream are not part of Classics.

I can prove this is untrue by pointing you to the Classics checklist on Hasbro's website here.


edit: Looking at it again, this checklist is incomplete, and sometimes inaccurate. It only lists what I remember being wave 1 with the deluxe figures being legends, and omits the actual legends; all waves after the first; the Devastator, Ultra Magnus vs. Skywarp; and Prime vs. Megatron sets; and all of the Classics mini-cons. It also lists 20th Anniversary Prime as TRU-exclusive (which I know to be wrong because I've seen it elsewhere).

That's possibly the most screwed up list ever. Some of the legends, the classics mini-cons, the rest of the classics deluxe, the Devastator gift set, and both battle packs are listed as Cybertron instead of Classics. It would make sense to list the mini-cons as Cybertron because they were meant to be released in that line to begin with... Still, all these figures were released as classics and should be listed accordingly.

ShGarland_1383 wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:It's just the packaging.

But technically, Soundwave, 20th Annive Prime and MP Starscream are not part of Classics.

I can prove this is untrue by pointing you to the Classics checklist on Hasbro's website here.


edit: Looking at it again, this checklist is incomplete, and sometimes inaccurate. It only lists what I remember being wave 1 with the deluxe figures being legends, and omits the actual legends; all waves after the first; the Devastator, Ultra Magnus vs. Skywarp; and Prime vs. Megatron sets; and all of the Classics mini-cons. It also lists 20th Anniversary Prime as TRU-exclusive (which I know to be wrong because I've seen it elsewhere).

That is not entirely correct.

If you scroll up, you'll see that "20th Anniversary Optimus Prime" is originally listed as part of "Generation 1 Commemorative Series". Together with the other G1 reissues.

In a sense, because 20th Anniv don't belong anywhere, it was grouped together to go with the G1 reissue toys.

Later on, when the Classics came out, "20th Annivesary Optimus Prime" was repackaged as "20th Anniversary DVD Edition OPTIMUS PRIME", to go with the series, but not in the series.

Take note, these 2 items are not the same. It's analogous to "G1 original" vs "G1 reissue".

Under "Transformers Robots In Disguise", there were 2 branches.

One branch is "Classics", which includes the Voyager Prime & Voyager Megatron, plus the 2-pack DVD with the green Megatron in it.

The other branch is "G1 Commemorative Exclusives", to which "20th Anniversary DVD Edition OPTIMUS PRIME" belongs. (Not to be mistaken as "20th Anniversary Optimus Prime") Soundwave also falls under this subgroup.



Another disparity is the time they were conceived and produced.
20th Anniversary was taken from MP-01 in year 2004. During that time, there was no idea or plan yet to create a series called Classics.
While Classics came out in late 2006.

So they really can't be grouped together.

Well if you make an assumption based on the deluxes, aren't all the 2007 figures listed under cybertron actually classics? Also, in Hasbro's mind doesn't the packaging make the line irregardless of the figures? Pretty common for them to do a re-release or repaint into a new line. Look at what they're doing with the movie line, including cybertron and energon repaints. RID was a pretty weird mix of figures too. Seems to be a pattern with hasbro when a line has to go on longer than they intended.
Guess if you think of Masterpeice as Classics' supreme class, then DVD prime and Starscream fit.

MISB display would be another reason to keep them together. Most collectors likely have them loose and with other lines, so it'd make more sense to split them up.

Doesn't Pepsi Prime also have the classic style packaging? Where the heck does that one go? Probably just like 20th Prime...in its own category?

Time for my two cents:

The Ultimate Battle versions of Prime and Megs were both available separately. However, that was a Europe only thing as far as I know, that's why they're so expensive (they were common where I live though)

As for packaging: packaging does not make a line. I think the Armada packaging-styled RiD releases (all exclusives if I may add) have proven that. Only difference was the logo. As for the "Classics" (they were never named as such, they were just named "Transformers"), I just chucked the odd ones in their own sections in the line list: exclusives, while mentioning the original figure.

Auto Bot wrote:

ShGarland_1383 wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:It's just the packaging.

But technically, Soundwave, 20th Annive Prime and MP Starscream are not part of Classics.

I can prove this is untrue by pointing you to the Classics checklist on Hasbro's website here.


edit: Looking at it again, this checklist is incomplete, and sometimes inaccurate. It only lists what I remember being wave 1 with the deluxe figures being legends, and omits the actual legends; all waves after the first; the Devastator, Ultra Magnus vs. Skywarp; and Prime vs. Megatron sets; and all of the Classics mini-cons. It also lists 20th Anniversary Prime as TRU-exclusive (which I know to be wrong because I've seen it elsewhere).

That is not entirely correct.

If you scroll up, you'll see that "20th Anniversary Optimus Prime" is originally listed as part of "Generation 1 Commemorative Series". Together with the other G1 reissues.

In a sense, because 20th Anniv don't belong anywhere, it was grouped together to go with the G1 reissue toys.

Later on, when the Classics came out, "20th Annivesary Optimus Prime" was repackaged as "20th Anniversary DVD Edition OPTIMUS PRIME", to go with the series, but not in the series.

Take note, these 2 items are not the same. It's analogous to "G1 original" vs "G1 reissue".

Under "Transformers Robots In Disguise", there were 2 branches.

One branch is "Classics", which includes the Voyager Prime & Voyager Megatron, plus the 2-pack DVD with the green Megatron in it.

The other branch is "G1 Commemorative Exclusives", to which "20th Anniversary DVD Edition OPTIMUS PRIME" belongs. (Not to be mistaken as "20th Anniversary Optimus Prime") Soundwave also falls under this subgroup.



Another disparity is the time they were conceived and produced.
20th Anniversary was taken from MP-01 in year 2004. During that time, there was no idea or plan yet to create a series called Classics.
While Classics came out in late 2006.

So they really can't be grouped together.

Valid point on Anniversary Prime. By that rational, I think MP Starscream should be treated the same. I think that Soundwave, however, might count as both Classics and G1CS. Most lists I've seen (like seibertron's own Vector Sigma Database and Wikipedia's page for Classics) regard Soundwave as Classics.

skyblast wrote:Doesn't Pepsi Prime also have the classic style packaging? Where the heck does that one go? Probably just like 20th Prime...in its own category?

I dunno. I know the version I have (which is the original) was listed as G1 in the Vector Sigma Database when that was working, but there were some slight changes to the Prime figure itself (shorter smokestacks and a change to the Pepsi logo on the left arm of Prime)...

Retread wrote:Well if you make an assumption based on the deluxes, aren't all the 2007 figures listed under cybertron actually classics?

I think maybe, if you mean my comments. The Classics legends, wave 2/3 deluxes (Mirage, Grimlock, Ramjet, and Cliffjumper), two-packs, Devastator, and mini-cons were wrongly listed as Cybertron when they are really Classics. This is why I got wondering how accurate the list is after I first posted that link last night.

I'd regard that Pepsi thing, iPod thing, and other "uncategorized" items as part of exclusives.

I don't see those selling in regular toy shops. Never seen. Only in hobby shops, where the prices are absurdly thru the roof.