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by **Sonic Wing** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:58 pm

MentalDragon wrote:
Sonic Wing wrote:the price is too much for me...

It looks like your decision was made for you.

id atually buy it if i had the money...so how much is the takara version of the toys? i just saw the video that Metal Ed posted and i think the takara versions are a lot better, they have a lot of chrome which is cool, but the price is helluva lot higher...im actually tryin to sell some of my toys to buy more, but im still with the movie line...

by **SpacerAM2** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:01 pm

Mp Optimus Prime's diecast metal parts are the same on either Hasbro or Takara's version. The diecast metal parts being both the chest ,and both legs.

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by **mpchi** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:05 pm

Really don't see how you can be a TF toy collector, yet not owning a MP Prime (unless price is really an issue). I am not a huge TF fan, but this toy draws me into collecting TFs much more seriously a couple years back when it first came out. Still the best TF toy you can have so far. So if budget is an issue, at least get a cheaper version of MP Prime and skip the other MPs. I got the Takara MP-01 first release, and still a very proud owner when co-workers come to my cube and wowed by it. I always tell them, this is as good as TF can get. Look wise, I like this the best. Even MP-04 got some paint issues (check gallery for pics, the MP-04 chest red paint is off and darker than it should). But many of these minor aesthetics difference may not worth the extra mark-up sellers are asking for now. So choose what you can afford.

MP-05 Megatron is awesome, but fragile. If you worry about breakage or want to play with or transform the figure a lot, don't bother with him. I really like mine, and need to strengthed his ankle ball joints for him to stand sturdy with the fusion cannon. But his other joints are very tight and locks good. Once you fix him up, he is very nice. A lot of people complain because they don't usually take the figure apart and reapir minor issues (not that you should, but many times, the big complaints usually turns out to be easy fixes). Though Prime will still be your best ticket to own at least one MP.

I'm waiting eagerly on the repaint of MP Starscream.

by **Metal Ed** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:07 pm

Sonic Wing wrote:
MentalDragon wrote:
Sonic Wing wrote:the price is too much for me...

It looks like your decision was made for you.

id atually buy it if i had the money...so how much is the takara version of the toys? i just saw the video that Metal Ed posted and i think the takara versions are a lot better, they have a lot of chrome which is cool, but the price is helluva lot higher...im actually tryin to sell some of my toys to buy more, but im still with the movie line...

That's the 20th anniversary DVD version that's so much poorer. The 20th anniversary one (the one that doesn't say "DVD" in the name) is almost as good as the Takara. Check the photo galleries on this web site and you'll see. The DVD one was the first American run of the toy, I believe. The non-DVD one was a later run that corrected many of the flaws of the first run.

Remember, DVD = crap.

by **Obsidian_Prime** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:20 pm

lanzajr26 wrote:
kirbenvost wrote:For the record, there seems to be a misunderstanding about MP/20th anniversary Prime... ALL versions have the same amount of diecast.

But isn't DVD Edition (that is currently on clearance at Walmart) 100% plastic? I thought this is what they were referring to.

I have the DVD Edition, and it's not 100% plastic.

by **fartripper67** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:22 pm

Metal Ed wrote:
Sonic Wing wrote:
MentalDragon wrote:
Sonic Wing wrote:the price is too much for me...

It looks like your decision was made for you.

id atually buy it if i had the money...so how much is the takara version of the toys? i just saw the video that Metal Ed posted and i think the takara versions are a lot better, they have a lot of chrome which is cool, but the price is helluva lot higher...im actually tryin to sell some of my toys to buy more, but im still with the movie line...

That's the 20th anniversary DVD version that's so much poorer. The 20th anniversary one (the one that doesn't say "DVD" in the name) is almost as good as the Takara. Check the photo galleries on this web site and you'll see. The DVD one was the first American run of the toy, I believe. The non-DVD one was a later run that corrected many of the flaws of the first run.

Remember, DVD = crap.

*Disagrees*

The color isnt really an issue until you display it next to another figure with a real, deep red.

Then its just like "Ohhhh i see it now"

-But if you have the money for an MP, get it.
If you dont want to spend that much/dont want to order online, you gotta get what you can find.

I randomly stumbled upon a DVD edition at walmart, and i got it.

News Credits: 4 · by **tom brokaw** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:10 am

theyre worth their msrp, and maybe a little above that. if its more than 25% its original price, then forget it.

by **Goribus** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:39 am

Metal Ed wrote:
Sonic Wing wrote:
MentalDragon wrote:
Sonic Wing wrote:the price is too much for me...

It looks like your decision was made for you.

id atually buy it if i had the money...so how much is the takara version of the toys? i just saw the video that Metal Ed posted and i think the takara versions are a lot better, they have a lot of chrome which is cool, but the price is helluva lot higher...im actually tryin to sell some of my toys to buy more, but im still with the movie line...

That's the 20th anniversary DVD version that's so much poorer. The 20th anniversary one (the one that doesn't say "DVD" in the name) is almost as good as the Takara. Check the photo galleries on this web site and you'll see. The DVD one was the first American run of the toy, I believe. The non-DVD one was a later run that corrected many of the flaws of the first run.

Remember, DVD = crap.

No, the 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime was the first American run of the toy. THe Anniversary DVD version is the second. Also the animated movie hasn't been out for 20 years (when the "DVD" Prime came out that is) so it would be a 20th Anniversary. The Anniversary DVD Prime is for the anniversary of the Animated movie not the Transformers line as a whole. The 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime was released on the 20th anniversary of the Transformers line.

by **Toyotus Superion** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:45 am

The hasbro versions are great if you can find them. They retail for much cheaper than Takara's. Though you have no choice with Megatron. I have Optimus, Megs, and hopefully Starscream as soon as he appears at wallmart, and I have no regrets. they are huge awesome display pieces.

by **olokin** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:06 am

A Masterpiece is a must for any TF collector, even if you only have one. I only have the DVD Prime from Hasbro but I feel fulfilled already. Now if I can raise some money, I'll get a Starscream or a Skywarp.

News Credits: 11 · by **kirbenvost** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:17 am

Sonic Wing wrote:
MentalDragon wrote:
Sonic Wing wrote:the price is too much for me...

It looks like your decision was made for you.

id atually buy it if i had the money...so how much is the takara version of the toys? i just saw the video that Metal Ed posted and i think the takara versions are a lot better, they have a lot of chrome which is cool, but the price is helluva lot higher...im actually tryin to sell some of my toys to buy more, but im still with the movie line...

Read the thread people!

Hasbro's first version of the toy is nearly identical to the Takara one, except for short smokestacks and 'battle damage' paint! It has the same amount of chrome and diecast. DVD Prime (2nd Hasbro version) still has the diecast, but much less chrome.

by **Sonic Wing** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:05 am

ok i dont get it now, if the takara and hasbro masterpiece toys are almost the same, why a higher price for takara's?

Website · by **Flux Convoy** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:18 am

Sonic Wing wrote:ok i dont get it now, if the takara and hasbro masterpiece toys are almost the same, why a higher price for takara's?

Longer smokestacks and no battle damage paint apps would be my guess. That and the Takara boxes are just classy.

by **olokin** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:30 am

Flux Convoy wrote:
Sonic Wing wrote:ok i dont get it now, if the takara and hasbro masterpiece toys are almost the same, why a higher price for takara's?

Longer smokestacks and no battle damage paint apps would be my guess. That and the Takara boxes are just classy.

that and limited availability worlwide (aside from Japan) and high collector demand and custom duties contribute to the premium we pay for Takara MPs

by **Auto Bot** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:35 am

olokin wrote:A Masterpiece is a must for any TF collector, even if you only have one. I only have the DVD Prime from Hasbro but I feel fulfilled already. Now if I can raise some money, I'll get a Starscream or a Skywarp.

Between the 2, get Skywarp.

If you've seen the actual toy, it's a no-brainer.

by **olokin** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:02 am

Auto Bot wrote:
olokin wrote:A Masterpiece is a must for any TF collector, even if you only have one. I only have the DVD Prime from Hasbro but I feel fulfilled already. Now if I can raise some money, I'll get a Starscream or a Skywarp.

Between the 2, get Skywarp.

If you've seen the actual toy, it's a no-brainer.

Skywarp's alternate face looks like he stepped on something though. hehe.But definitely i'm favoring skywarp

by **DorkimusPrime** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:07 am

kirbenvost wrote: DVD Prime (2nd Hasbro version) still has the diecast, but much less chrome.

Actually, mine has *no* chrome that I can tell. It's all dull grey plastic. Don't have him with me here at work though, so he might have chromed smokestacks, but the piece that pulls out with the Matrix attached is a dull grey, as are the fuel tanks and just about everything else that's chromed on the Takara or 2004 20th anniversary prime. He's also tomato soup-colored, but it's growing on me.

by **Auto Bot** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:24 am

olokin wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
olokin wrote:A Masterpiece is a must for any TF collector, even if you only have one. I only have the DVD Prime from Hasbro but I feel fulfilled already. Now if I can raise some money, I'll get a Starscream or a Skywarp.

Between the 2, get Skywarp.

If you've seen the actual toy, it's a no-brainer.

Skywarp's alternate face looks like he stepped on something though. hehe.But definitely i'm favoring skywarp

Yeah, that alternate face is really weird. Did he ever do that in any tv episode?

by **lanzajr26** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:33 am

Auto Bot wrote:
olokin wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
olokin wrote:A Masterpiece is a must for any TF collector, even if you only have one. I only have the DVD Prime from Hasbro but I feel fulfilled already. Now if I can raise some money, I'll get a Starscream or a Skywarp.

Between the 2, get Skywarp.

If you've seen the actual toy, it's a no-brainer.

Skywarp's alternate face looks like he stepped on something though. hehe.But definitely i'm favoring skywarp

Yeah, that alternate face is really weird. Did he ever do that in any tv episode?

In the instruction book it kinda sorta shows a clip where his face may have been similar, but I can't remember him ever having that constipated look

by **Auto Bot** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:40 am

lanzajr26 wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
olokin wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
olokin wrote:A Masterpiece is a must for any TF collector, even if you only have one. I only have the DVD Prime from Hasbro but I feel fulfilled already. Now if I can raise some money, I'll get a Starscream or a Skywarp.

Between the 2, get Skywarp.

If you've seen the actual toy, it's a no-brainer.

Skywarp's alternate face looks like he stepped on something though. hehe.But definitely i'm favoring skywarp

Yeah, that alternate face is really weird. Did he ever do that in any tv episode?

In the instruction book it kinda sorta shows a clip where his face may have been similar, but I can't remember him ever having that constipated look

Could be in one of those robot chicken episodes?

News Credits: 4 · by **tom brokaw** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:54 am

do you guys think they will ever release a masterpiece toy based on the movie designs? maybe in a couple of years.

by **Auto Bot** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:02 pm

tom brokaw wrote:do you guys think they will ever release a masterpiece toy based on the movie designs? maybe in a couple of years.

Very much possible. You'll have to wait till the current generation of Movie toys burns out steam. There's gonna be a period of stagnation. Then they'll breath new life into these toys by doing a special edition or masterpiece edition.

But if the current Movie toys keep on selling like hot cakes, i doubt any masterpiece in the near future.

News Credits: 11 · by **kirbenvost** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:39 pm

DorkimusPrime wrote:
kirbenvost wrote: DVD Prime (2nd Hasbro version) still has the diecast, but much less chrome.

Actually, mine has *no* chrome that I can tell. It's all dull grey plastic. Don't have him with me here at work though, so he might have chromed smokestacks, but the piece that pulls out with the Matrix attached is a dull grey, as are the fuel tanks and just about everything else that's chromed on the Takara or 2004 20th anniversary prime.

Yeah, that's what I figured but I wasn't 100% sure (I don't own it, too lazy to look at the gallery) so I wanted to cover my ass by saying 'much less' rather than 'no'. :lol:

So there you have it: Hasbro's DVD Edition Prime has no chrome.

by **olokin** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:07 pm

tom brokaw wrote:do you guys think they will ever release a masterpiece toy based on the movie designs? maybe in a couple of years.

They should you know, the movie toys are a great design.

by **Daxmajor** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:28 pm

olokin wrote:
tom brokaw wrote:do you guys think they will ever release a masterpiece toy based on the movie designs? maybe in a couple of years.

They should you know, the movie toys are a great design.

I'm not sure the movie characters would benefit much being made into MP. Most of the general release toys are already quite complex and wouldn't work any better in the MP format (Concept Bumblebee is a good example). Perhaps Blackout would be worth doing though.

Unless we are talking G1 movie, as I'd love to see a MP Cyclonus and Galvatron.