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what if they totally kill it which is always an unfortunate possiblity but for me ive seen enough g1 stuff and homages i say continue and redo the japanese lines like victory and zone those 2 were pretty damn good and now redone with the new anime artists would be badass

It's not win-win if it's not done "right", basically. Most of my concerns stem from my lack of faith in the industry as opposed to the idea in general. It's alot easier to write and draw something in a comic format than it is to do it in a TV show. You don't need to worry about VAs, toys tieing in properly, a lage budget for special effects (so much).

As for an updated retelling ... isn't that Animated, basically? I mean, just looking at the characters.

There are 2 BIG gaps where they could make 2 cartoon series:

1. In between G1 season 2 and the movie(no, scramble city explained very little if anything). Hell, I want to see how Megatron finally got his shite together and took over Cybertron after all the screw-ups. This could easily be a 1 or 2 season cartoon.

2. The HUGE gap between G1 and Beast Wars. This would make a GREAT cartoon.

Of course neither will ever happen.

Thats my 2 cents.

Sledge wrote:I'm confused. Why would you rather have DVDs of stories that already exist than a new series?

Because the original while good for it's day, would be sooo much better if updated in animation, and the G-1 Optimus could be drawn slightly different, more like the Masterpiece toys...but as far as story content goes, I like the idea of revamping the older stories.. and doing a new storyline that tells the G-1 story from the start, leading up to the 1986..filling in the cracks in plot wholes, and better quality animation and stories..these DVDs wouldn't be 20 minute commercials, thy would be DVDs that take a serious stab at the G-1 universe to establish pure and unwavering canon..this would be the defining G-1 series..

prowlstreak wrote:what if they totally kill it which is always an unfortunate possiblity but for me ive seen enough g1 stuff and homages i say continue and redo the japanese lines like victory and zone those 2 were pretty damn good and now redone with the new anime artists would be badass

you bring up a good point, it could very well be done badly, but it could also be done better then we could have ever imagined!!! Take for instance the direct to DVD Marvel comics cartoons, some of them like Ironman and Dr. Strange are actually quite good!! The art direction and acting quality as well as sound and visual effects rock!! If that particular studio was to handle it, then i would say that we'd get a quality show, and heck with Marvel's toy rights in Hasbro's hands already it could be a possibility..

As for the Victory and Zone series goes, that would be along the lines of series after the Rodimus and Galvatron era I was talking about..but I would say, heck yeah add that into the new G-1 OVA series as a 2 part movie for Victory and a 2 part movie for Zone!!!

Gauntlet101010 wrote:It's not win-win if it's not done "right", basically. Most of my concerns stem from my lack of faith in the industry as opposed to the idea in general. It's alot easier to write and draw something in a comic format than it is to do it in a TV show. You don't need to worry about VAs, toys tieing in properly, a lage budget for special effects (so much).

As for an updated retelling ... isn't that Animated, basically? I mean, just looking at the characters.

Yes, but there are sooo many good animation companies out there who do only straight to DVD releases..they could get it right with the correct writers and staffing it would be great..it would be awesome to see the original Megatron Pistol concept and Optimus Prime red Truck go at it, from the beginning, to the the end..plus establish a new Spike, and his marriage with carly, their relationship..like it or not, Daniel isn't as annoying as some of the other freaks in various series since that 1986 movie, like for example RID kids.. it was pokemon all over again!!!

We could have Carly in the 7 month Pregnant stage at the end of the last DVD movie (with the completion of Autobot city and the plans on Moonbase 2, leading up to the 1986 movie..

Nahhhh animated is a separate entity, Optimus is young, and a futuristic fire truck.. an updated in that sense isn't what I was talking about.. I was more thinking, use the masterpiece design, or do updated animation for the older g-1 cartoon design..basically update the cartoon..the story for the cartoon to better reflect true established G-1 canon.. and clear up misconceptions, bring back voice actors, and all in a 2 hour DVD sold to the masses with Masterpiece Transformers tied in, like Starscream and Optimus Prime, the eventual repaints, like Ultra Magnus.. and Ultra Magnus without Armor could be seen for the first time in the DVDs..you could find someone with a similar voice to Robert stack, it's not unheard of.. they found a guy who sounds and almost looks like a carbon copy of Christopher reeves in the superman returns movies...so it's possible..

damn double post!!!

Just because it isn't quite the way you'd imagine it doesn't mean it's not what they were going for. You have some VERY specific ideas in mind. I really think they're trying to do an "ultimate" .... or at least an "All Stars" kind of title with Animated. I mean ..

1) Prime is fire truck ala Cybertron.
2) Black Arachnia from BW
3) Starscream looks kinda like Armada Screamer, but seems to act and talk like G1
4) Cybertronian Megs look like movie megs while
5) Earth born Megs looks like G! Megs (I'm not crediting them for it looking like Super Megatron until they prove that's on purpose)
6) Neo G1 Arcee is in it
7) Neo G1 Dinos are in it

I mean just look at the list. They haven't gone right out and said it, but doesn't that look like their trying to remake the best elements in the series? I know you'd rather see an MP-based show, but let's face it: unless they make a whole SLEW of MPs it'll take a long while.

As for remakign G1 ... no, I'd actually rather not. There's a charm to seeing it as it is. Animation errors and flying Autobots and all. It's a testiment to it's time. All the flaws and the silliness and the kitch is a part of what makes it G1. I mean I'd love to see more G1 based characetrs running around, but aside from fixing audio and various remasertings, all the stuff that you'd "fix" is a part of what made the show special.

I also would really like to take a pass on seeing Carly in ANY trimester. Less humans more robots! After re-watched G1, I can say it had a good mix of humans to TFs.

If you wanted a straight remake then that's the Armada continuity, the DW continuity, the IDW continuity, the Marvel continuity, etc, etc, etc....

Edit: Actually my position is alot like how I see the origional Star Wars.

Years afetr the fact Lucas goes in and edits in these digital backgrounds, makes Greedo shoot first, adds this wacky hairball to Jabba's palace scene, and splices in the new Anakin's head over the origional actor's.

Alot of these changes aren't too bad, but quite a few of them are excessive. Especially the Anakin thing. That's how I view a re-animated and "corrected" G1 series.

i'd watch it!

All they'd need to do in order for me to be happy is re-dub Headmasters with Cullen, Welker, et. al. I don't think that it would be much of a problem to alter their voices, or those of any new actors so that the characters would sound younger, or more like their G1 selves. You should see the stuff a friend of mine can do with his audio booth. With 10 minutes of editing, my Dr. Claw impersonation sounds exactly like Soundwave.

Judge Deliberata wrote:All they'd need to do in order for me to be happy is re-dub Headmasters with Cullen, Welker, et. al. I don't think that it would be much of a problem to alter their voices, or those of any new actors so that the characters would sound younger, or more like their G1 selves. You should see the stuff a friend of mine can do with his audio booth. With 10 minutes of editing, my Dr. Claw impersonation sounds exactly like Soundwave.

Seconded! From what i hear the first dub sucked!

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Just because it isn't quite the way you'd imagine it doesn't mean it's not what they were going for. You have some VERY specific ideas in mind. I really think they're trying to do an "ultimate" .... or at least an "All Stars" kind of title with Animated. I mean ..

1) Prime is fire truck ala Cybertron.
2) Black Arachnia from BW
3) Starscream looks kinda like Armada Screamer, but seems to act and talk like G1
4) Cybertronian Megs look like movie megs while
5) Earth born Megs looks like G! Megs (I'm not crediting them for it looking like Super Megatron until they prove that's on purpose)
6) Neo G1 Arcee is in it
7) Neo G1 Dinos are in it

I mean just look at the list. They haven't gone right out and said it, but doesn't that look like their trying to remake the best elements in the series? I know you'd rather see an MP-based show, but let's face it: unless they make a whole SLEW of MPs it'll take a long while.

As for remakign G1 ... no, I'd actually rather not. There's a charm to seeing it as it is. Animation errors and flying Autobots and all. It's a testiment to it's time. All the flaws and the silliness and the kitch is a part of what makes it G1. I mean I'd love to see more G1 based characetrs running around, but aside from fixing audio and various remasertings, all the stuff that you'd "fix" is a part of what made the show special.

I also would really like to take a pass on seeing Carly in ANY trimester. Less humans more robots! After re-watched G1, I can say it had a good mix of humans to TFs.

If you wanted a straight remake then that's the Armada continuity, the DW continuity, the IDW continuity, the Marvel continuity, etc, etc, etc....

those remakes are not G-1.. they are in different media, and in different tv show continuity.. it's not the same.. it's similar.. but not the actual g-1..

what i'm talking about is a direct to DVD release that sums up the best stories or fixes the time lines and reality of G-1 cartoon.. but updates the animation and story only...

I never said I was against the "animated cartoon' but that's already in the works..

this is something different.. and yeah basing it on the MP line up could take years, but who cares we as older fans can wait to get more of those toys.. the direct to DVD doesn't have to appeal to everyone, as you sighted with all those mixed and matched characters and ideas from various series...which is what the Transformers Animated show will have...

this idea of a direct to DVD G-1 retelling I propose would be specifically targeted for the G-1 fan...
Much the same way Macross or Gundam is released..

as far as enjoying charms of the original G-1 cartoon.. that story is still there, as well as those DVD's, this idea wouldn't automatically make that series disappear off the face of the planet.. rather, it stays as what it was...the original concept.. but why not refine it in cartoon format, and release the Masterpiece toys along side it as a concellation prize..??

I'm not against the animated show, or calling for us to throw out our classic G-1 DVDs, I would just want to see an updated revised retelling of the mythos, with a little more reality, sharper story telling, fluidity in animation, and design...


Now a series based on Classics would be cool.. but in the end it would have to be an alternate reality, seeing as how Optimsu Prime's final form was that of his original semi truck in the 1986 movie..

just like this one idea of retelling G-1 would be an alternate reality, only it would be G-1 just retold a slightly different way, in 2 hour DVD volumes, with high quality animation and bits of the continuity fixed for updated reasons.. like the protoforms, and the war within concepts or the Ultra Magnus naked concept... which could very well tie into Hasbro's over stock of DVD Optimus Prime and their overstock in storage could be repainted into Ultra Magnus as a domestic release..Skywarp, thundercracker...

Nemesis Prime.. I count about 7 possible masterpieces that can come out during this whole DVD G-1 concept retelling thing..

I edited in a bit of a comparison with Star Wars while you were typing.

I mean, I see what yer saying. But that wouldn't really be G1 either. That's be, like, G1 - IDW. It's another remake. Because all those mistakes are so deeply ingrained in G1. Other than a mass of silly stuff you'd also have to question a few true fundamentals like ...

1) The mass shifting. Megs and Soundwave are okay, but at one point Hoist rides in Huffer. And Bruticus .... just all wrong. Seven ways from sunday he's wrong.

2)"Autobots ... hang 10!" Yeah, that's a paraphrase of Prime. G1 is chalk full of those silly moments. Are those yanked? They fit in fine in the context of G1, but if you update it, they aren't really there. I mean Megs goes after Rocket fuel as if it's the ultimate power pource all the time. There's silliness in every line.

3) Decepticons fly. Dinobots fly. Autobots don't. Why? Why don't they have game? From a story standpoint it makes sence, but not from any logical standpoint. And this is deeply ingrained since the 'cons fly off at the end of just about every episode.

And each episode is riddled with minor "why"s and "WTF"s that are part of it's core plot. If you're remaking G1 you'd really be REMAKING G1. In it's entirety. From the lines, to the voices, to the plots of shows. At some point it's not G1, it's a new continuity like Armada and Animated. I'll give this to you: the vague notion of redoing G1 and tossing the MP designs in there is nice. But one you start tinkering with it you'll end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

And, at some point it'll get dull. It's all well and good to redo MTMTE, but we all already know what happens in G1. Even to redo "just the good parts" is dull because we know the story already.

The continuation idea with OVAs is a bit more sound. I dunno if I have your level of faith in the TV guys to get it done properly, but that overall idea is a bit more sound than remaking G1.

Edit: I mean, I'm all for the abstract notion that we have animation with the MP designs. But I do not think redoing G1 would be nearly as cool as you envision it.

I wonder if IDW has the rights to take their new work to anime dvd.

How about a sort of Transformers: War Journals sort of thing, where the structure is like the current (and frequently excellent) Mosaic bits. Set the backdrop for say, War Within, and have some 3-8 minute shorts centered on different characters. Some well known, some more obscure. Like a fusion of Mosaic and Spotlight. If I had the clout I'd get my employer to jump all over that.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I edited in a bit of a comparison with Star Wars while you were typing.

I mean, I see what yer saying. But that wouldn't really be G1 either. That's be, like, G1 - IDW. It's another remake. Because all those mistakes are so deeply ingrained in G1. Other than a mass of silly stuff you'd also have to question a few true fundamentals like ...

1) The mass shifting. Megs and Soundwave are okay, but at one point Hoist rides in Huffer. And Bruticus .... just all wrong. Seven ways from sunday he's wrong.

yeah that would be fixed...
the Mass shifting would be explained as a pocket dimensional type technology..which allows for the mass shifting of the metal to increase it's size and decrease but only within a certain amount of reason..Megatron can 0nly become a gun small enough for Optimus Prime to wield..Soundwave would be slightly smaller then usual, so his mass shifting wouldn't be way off either.. this would be a retelling of G-1 so most of the hoist riding huffer and Bruticus stuff would be toned down..

Gauntlet101010 wrote:2)"Autobots ... hang 10!" Yeah, that's a paraphrase of Prime. G1 is chalk full of those silly moments. Are those yanked? They fit in fine in the context of G1, but if you update it, they aren't really there. I mean Megs goes after Rocket fuel as if it's the ultimate power pource all the time. There's silliness in every line.

Well some of the cool meoments like Prime saying Hang 10 could still be there.. look at the My Bad in the live action movie.. the comedy could be patterned on that..

As to Megatron's quest for Fuel to convert into energon, i think with only 4 DVD's leading up to the 1986 movie, he would only have a couple of schemes to play out..in 2 hour increments, and only the most important stories could be somewhat referenced in these 2 hour animated movies..

Gauntlet101010 wrote:3) Decepticons fly. Dinobots fly. Autobots don't. Why? Why don't they have game? From a story standpoint it makes sence, but not from any logical standpoint. And this is deeply ingrained since the 'cons fly off at the end of just about every episode.

Well, in the retelling of G-1 Megatron would have an internal antigravity well built around his spark housing which uses that energy to give him flight, and Soundwave would not be a flyer, he would have to hitch a ride with a Decepticon..like Astrotrain..

that's another point why not introduce different characters up front instead of down the road, oh sure we can start with the original Ark crew, but what about reactivating Protoforms from stasis on the sunken Nemesis ship?? that would be cool to enter into the movies..

Gauntlet101010 wrote:And each episode is riddled with minor "why"s and "WTF"s that are part of it's core plot. If you're remaking G1 you'd really be REMAKING G1. In it's entirety. From the lines, to the voices, to the plots of shows. At some point it's not G1, it's a new continuity like Armada and Animated. I'll give this to you: the vague notion of redoing G1 and tossing the MP designs in there is nice. But one you start tinkering with it you'll end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Not necessarily, it's like Dreamwave or IDW does to G-1 it's different yes, but deep down in the core of what they are showing you you still feel that G-1 feeling that you got with the cartoon.. and those moments and whys and WTFs will still be there in certain instances, but it's not a 30 minute show or cartoon, this is in a totally different format, so there won't always be Decepticons flying off at the end of an episode, there is no episode!!!

Gauntlet101010 wrote:And, at some point it'll get dull. It's all well and good to redo MTMTE, but we all already know what happens in G1. Even to redo "just the good parts" is dull because we know the story already.

we know a story that was drawn out in a series of TV shows, this is a retelling leading up to the events in the 1986 movie, and beryond that, whcihc ties into the Beast Wars..

This is an opportunity to delve into things we all would like to see, Ultra Magnus arrival on Earth, Hot Rod,cee, and Blurr.. the creation and building of Autobot City on Earth, the formation of armies on Moonbase 1 and Moonbase 2, a huge war and how the decepticons took back Cybertron...

And I would love to see a plot device which incoporates the whole Shockwave traitor thing, and his invasionof Earth witht he triple changers, who eventually get defeated and controlled by Megatron...

Megatron's plots and schemes would be a lot more frieghtening and could be woven into the golden disk scenerio...

Boring???

I don't see how...

Gauntlet101010 wrote:The continuation idea with OVAs is a bit more sound. I dunno if I have your level of faith in the TV guys to get it done properly, but that overall idea is a bit more sound than remaking G1.

Edit: I mean, I'm all for the abstract notion that we have animation with the MP designs. But I do not think redoing G1 would be nearly as cool as you envision it.

I don't think you have thought about it as much as I have over the years...It would really be cool if done right..do I have faith that todays animation studios can get it done right...? the answer is yes.. I've seen the Marvel DVD cartoons and after watching how well those came to gether I can totally see them giving a face lift to the entire G-1 series in a 2 Hour DVD run of 4 movies, beyond that the season 3 stuff would be fair game..

Redubbing and releasing series like Victory and zone would be in line withthe original animated series...

these DVDs would stand alone.. but could be tied to Beast Wars and be a lot more in line with that TV shows standards..

I still think it's a great idea..

Shockwave06 wrote:Forgive me if this is a dumb post but I've been thinking about this for a couple days now.

Instead of Hasbro coming up with a new Transformers cartoon series and toy line every year or so (nothing wrong with that at all), would it be possible for them to just start doing new series of the G1 cartoons? I was thinking that since G1 was canceled after season 3, they could start doing season 4 and beyond (20+ years later), which would allow for stores to still be stocked with G1 figures.

Would anything like that work at all?

Not to burst your bubble but Transformers did have a 4th season....but it was only 3 episodes long.

Judge Deliberata wrote:All they'd need to do in order for me to be happy is re-dub Headmasters with Cullen, Welker, et. al. I don't think that it would be much of a problem to alter their voices, or those of any new actors so that the characters would sound younger, or more like their G1 selves. You should see the stuff a friend of mine can do with his audio booth. With 10 minutes of editing, my Dr. Claw impersonation sounds exactly like Soundwave.

I've been saying this for years.....they will have to re-edit the scripts in some major ways but it can be done.And they could follow it up with Masterforce.

Lotsa points. You have alot of "solutions" for the various problems ingrained in the G-verse, but you gotta awknoledge that taking those things away inherently changes what you're working with.

Decepticons fly to escape the Autobots ALOT. The whole Orion Pax story is about flying robots. It's just ingrained.

"Sorry my bad" isn't quite as silly as the "Hang 10" scene with Autobots on water skis. And that's just ONE instane of ingraines silliness.

The scale thing is just ingrained into G1. When their in bot mode or climbing aboard Cosmos, or into Astrotrain, or even Superion or Screamer, they're all just totally off. In just about every episode, even the more serious ones. You can't fix it without rethinking alot of ket scenes.

But now you're moving away from your origional presentation of just updating the animation and redubbing some lines. Because a traitorous Shockwave and a Scramble City plot and all that rot would make this an ENTIRELY NEW G1 cartoon. And while I'm for an entirely new G1 cartoon, that's not quite what you were presenting.

However I will stand by my statement that G1 simply redone, even with updated animation, will be boring as molassess. Oh, indiovidual episodes would be fun, but I can't imagine more than a couple actually being interesting. See, you're proposing NEW episodes and not REDONE episodes. There's a BIG difference.

I mean there's a thing called "suspence" and "surprise" that is inherently absent from a series that's just remade.

But if you're just proposing a new G1 cartoon lossly based on the old one with new designs tossed in there then I've just misunderstood you. Sure, yeah that'd be fun. Although I do think that's what Armada and Animated were aiming at, so I don't think it'd be exactly what you envision.

Actually, you should look into fan ficition. It sounds right up your alley.

I see Warp's idea a lot like Marvel's "ultimate" universe, if you're into comics you'll recognize the idea.

It goes back to the beginning, retells the major plot points, but not necessarily in the same ways. The major characters are there, but they need not be exactly the same.

I've really enjoyed this idea in comics, and I think I'd enjoy it in the TF universe too.

I've read Ultimate Spider-man and the Phoenix stuff for Ultimate X-Men. They're VERY VERY different than the core stuff.

But I thought we were talking about redoing the animation and cutting some mistakes. Now we're adding stuff to the canon along with new episodes, which is really just a different idea all together than simply redoing the animation. If the general idea is "Making a NEW G1 series loosly based on the cartoon" then I've just been reading Warp's idea all wrong. Sure that'd be a nice idea .... don't see it happening, but I think it'd be nice, sure. Toss in those ehobby guys too. Make an entire plot revolving around the Gobots.

But if the idea is redoing the OLD cartoon series and tweaking some things ... that I'd be against. That stuff is over. It's a testiment to it's time and best left alone.

Although I do think that's exactly what they were going with in Armada and what seems to be the idea in Animated. And, naturally, what's been done in comics for the last few years. Of course those stories have mostly been new.

hmmm im now thinking a cartoon about g2 based off the comics or just a whole new story id love that

I get everyone's point about a new direct to DVD line of movies based on G1, but didn't we just get that in the live action movie? It essentialy retold the G1 story.

Lapse Of Reason wrote:I get everyone's point about a new direct to DVD line of movies based on G1, but didn't we just get that in the live action movie? It essentialy retold the G1 story.

Thats a opinion I dont share....I find little to no resemblance between any of the G1 universes and the Bay movie.The key reason that the Transformers in G1 are even on earth,the search for energon, was completly ignored in the Bay movie......now I'm not complaining about the film but I just cant see anyone can think that its a G1 story retelling.

I suppose this depends on our own tolerances for changes before something becomes a new version, rather than a retelling of the original stories. Someone mentioned Alternators and IDW as G1 stories. I don't see them that way at all. I barely considers Alts as anything but toys, particularly toys that don't interest me, whilst I see the IDW comics as more of an Ultimate Transformers reimagining for modern times.
The DW comics seemed a lot more G1 to me, in fact I stick to my theory that they were intenting to fill the gaps between the 1st 2 seasons of the cartoon and the movie. Maybe not in the way I would have done, but in a Hasbro authorised way, at least.

I like the idea of more specifically G1 continuity stories that fit with the existing cartoon but think it'd be better to create new stories rather than remake older ones. A War Within style OVA expanding on the Orion Pax/Optimus Prime transformation and his early battles with Megatron, or maybe even going back to A3 and his fighting the Quintessons.
There's the events of the Season 2-Movie gap, which I think could easily have a couple of DVDs worth of story in them. How did Megatron take over Cybertron so completely? When did the Autobots set up their Moonbases? What was the purpose of building Autobot City in the first place? Where did Magnus, Hot Rod and the rest come from?
There is another idea, which could tie-in to that, how about a series set during G1, but featuring the Autobot resistance on Cybertron fighting Shockwave? They could have Alpha Trion as leader perhaps, (or as former leader, depending how far along it's set) with Ultra Magnus, Springer and the rest of the movie's new additions as freedom fighters, much like the female Autobots were in their animated appearance. It could end with them meeting Optimus and the rest after season 2.

The post-season 3 G1 continuity is pretty ripe for exploration as well. There's the Headmasters, Targetmasters and all that stuff. A propery dubbed version of the Japanese series would be acceptable, or they could go totally off on their own with brand new ideas.

The factors leading to the BW-era could be interesting, and also, like the War Within idea, a series or OVA acting as a prequel to BW would be cool to see. Megatron assembling his team, maybe Primal and his crew getting into some bother while out exploring, and for extra points stick in some Depth Charge vs Protoform X badassery.

Finally, something I'd always thought might be fun: A series of OVAs for each year of the G1 line after the original cartoon ended. Kinda like the 4th season was just a Headmasters piece, they could make one for the other various sublines, like a Pretenders movie with Bludgeon and his guys kicking ass, or a Micro Masters movie with all sorts of secret stuff like their hidden bases and such. An Action Masters one explaining how Megatron wasn't Galvatron anymore and why Optimus Prime's wearing orange contacts, that sort of thing. And of course, a show about the Turbomasters and the Predators!

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I've read Ultimate Spider-man and the Phoenix stuff for Ultimate X-Men. They're VERY VERY different than the core stuff.

But I thought we were talking about redoing the animation and cutting some mistakes. Now we're adding stuff to the canon along with new episodes, which is really just a different idea all together than simply redoing the animation. If the general idea is "Making a NEW G1 series loosly based on the cartoon" then I've just been reading Warp's idea all wrong. Sure that'd be a nice idea .... don't see it happening, but I think it'd be nice, sure. Toss in those ehobby guys too. Make an entire plot revolving around the Gobots.

But if the idea is redoing the OLD cartoon series and tweaking some things ... that I'd be against. That stuff is over. It's a testiment to it's time and best left alone.

Although I do think that's exactly what they were going with in Armada and what seems to be the idea in Animated. And, naturally, what's been done in comics for the last few years. Of course those stories have mostly been new.

yeah you totally misunderstood what I was aiming at.. which was do G-1 with the same characters and almost identical likenesses, but updated some what, maybe to match their Masterpiece formats, or just top notch updated animation.. with a new revised continuity story.. but almost the same voice actors they had in the G-1 cartoon.. whoever they could get..

Lets face it, the more mileage we G-1 fans get out of Welker and Cullen the better.. they aren't going to be around for ever, God forbid.. so lets give a legacy of the finest animation and story telling for the good ole G-1 universe in a 2 Hour DVD series, that makes sense of the original Universe..not every story retold, just the most famous and important events.. ofcourse an updated Battle atop sherman dam would be quite cool to see!!

Mas shifting explained, where Rodimus Came from, the Matrix and the tie in to the oracle or vector sigma, Orion Pax, the war on Earth, the war over siebertron, the shockwave gambit and the Triple changers, events leading up to the movie from 1986..and beyond.. these DVDs could be prequel movies to the 1986 movie, and done in a similar fashion with high amounts of detailed and wonderous animation...but Hand drawn to it's finest..

Yes G-1 the Cartoon from the 80s has it's appeal and charm that can never be replaced, but to do an updated version of the original Universe would leave a legacy that others in the future who have not grown up in a G-1 realm would have a DVD compilation that would revise and maximise the G-1 story to a new hieght.. and would do a great job of selling toys ta Boot!!

Think of the older 1990s animation of the Guyver and now look at the updated version for the 2000s.. its the same guyver suit, but drawn differently slightly, and better in animation quality art direction and style..

what about the original Macross cartoon series...very nice and has it's own charm, redone a s Robotech here in the states.. but if you have ever looked back at the movie Macross: Do you remember Love, that movie was all the best of the animated series with up to date animation and story telling... it was awesome!!! and looked better then the TV show cartoon series... but I love them both equally..

to have an updated fixed G-1 cartoon would be nice, but if we are goig in to each episode and redoing sdome stuff, or redubbing then, why not just reanimate the G-1 cartoon with the same soundtrack, but just take out the original animationa nd let Mainframe do the old shows in CGI as they did with Beast Wars, that way you can still have exactly the same story and voice actors, but with CGI animation??

Ahhh but then that would be blasphemous to all us G-1 fans.. I too wouldn't want my precious cartoon from the 80s to change... But I would endorse a retelling of the classic characters in a 2 hour DVD movie with 3 more dics to come out.. which are prequels tot he 1986 movie... with the first time ever scene of Optimus Prime on cybertron as in Protoform mode..nice!!!

I like Classics but to redo G-1 cartoons in that image just doesn't do it for me...

I liked Armada, but its not what I'm talking about.. I want Optimus Prime a Mack Truck and Megatron the Pistol.. if they redo the series, keep the characters the exact same, new story and new uptodate animation..

The "Animated" cartoon draws alot form G-1, but again it's not g-1...

this is a visual of what I was thinking...

Note: this is simply a visual and in no way meant to be condescending in any way shape or form..

What I was thinking was something along the lines of this

Updated animation, and Direct to DVD Movies with the beginnings of G-1 retold, with Protofroms, New Plots, better expalined real world Physics, and great animation...

which would fit in with the 1986 movie..

an updated cartoon of this:

would not happen, and wss not what i was talking about.. the first image above would be just movies..

and as far as Animated and Armada go..

this:


does not compare just like this:


is totally different from G-1.. truck, semi.. yeah ok similar.. but not the same..not G-1...

this is what I'm proposing: 4 Direct to DVD cartoons leading up to the 1986 Movie as prequels.. if they do good in sales, and promote more G-1 Masterpiece sales and prompt repaints of Prime into Magnus,a nd starscream into skywarp and thunder cracker..then hopefully they will continue pas tthe 1986 movie and retell in a different but core to the story 3rd season with Rodimus Prime.. that would be cool as well.. no new cartoon series on TV, or animated Shorts, or redoing of the original.. what I am trying to say is a direct to DVD like Gundam or some other series that has been updated and retold with slight, and for the better changes would actually be nice...


Edit, the updated G-1 cartoon would be movies... sorry for the confusion..

Edit, the updated G-1 cartoon would be movies... sorry for the confusion..

Ah, well THERE we go. Yeah, I totally misunderstood. My bad.

Well, although the art styles are VERY different, I do beg to differ. Animated and Armada ARE SUPPOSED TO BE G1 reimagined. Although Animated seems more like an "all-stars" idea, but signifigantly influenced by G1.

Well, it'd be nice to see some G1 movies done in a fancy anime stlye with VERY close VAs, I'll agree to that. I dun't think it'd really ever happen ... TF cartoons tend to be toy-driven .... the toys aren't animated driven. So far the exception seemes to eb the TF movie. I guess movies trump merchendising.

But it'd be nice to have new G1-styled MOVIES.

Something like this may be more possible today than it was prior to the Bay film.

There have been a few articles posted recently, here on Seibertron and elsewhere, that Hasbro is looking at other venues for their properties. Basically they want to be an "idea or brand engine" and license their properties out to other products like movies.

They just made Soooooo much cash from the TF movie, they can't ignore it as a revenue stream. It would be silly to do so.

The GI Joe movie is already in the works. As we all know TF Animated is in the works and targeted at a very different audience than the movies. That's a whole different revenue stream for the same property.

I think it's entirely possible that we could see something like what is being discussed here. Will it be in the exact format as we are guessing, probably not. I do doubt we'll see an adult targeted animated/anime series till after the movies have run their course either. But it is good for the fan base to keep these ideas afloat. We know they were reading the fan boards during the movie's production, and the fans had direct impact on that.

If we keep giving out good ideas they may catch on

OVA's are VERY popular in Japan, so are giant robot series in general. Japan & the surrounding areas are a large market too, and I'm sure Takara gets at least some input into the franchise.

Keep posting good ideas like this and having discussions about them and who knows, someone who can actually get this rolling may even listen!