The Energon Pub

Should takara do,Non-G-1 Masterpiece Transformers toys.would you buy them? If yes,list your choices.

I vote yes,

So here's my desired list.

Movie verse Blackout,super poseable & high adult themed sculpt+colors. 8.5 inches tall in robot mode.

Energon Galvatron,9.5 inch tall robot mode. beyond super poseability. with the following poseable articulated joints like as follows: ball jointed robot head. universal shoulder & hip joints. backward bending knees & elbow joints. swivel rotate 360 degree joints in the arms & legs. feet & ankle joints. 360 degree waist joints. fingers & wrist joints. THE TOYS WEAPONS/ACCESSORIES COULD BE AS FOLLOWS: TANK/SWORD,HAND GUN,MATRIX,SHOULDER DUAL CANONS. THE EVENTUAL ENERGON MEGATRON REPAINT could feature a unique megatron new head sculpt,fusion canon side arm weapon instead of the tank sword. matrix,ball & chain weapon. it'll still have the shoulder canons as they'll be built into the mode & non-detachable.

Armada Tidalwave. keep everything that made the original toy so
awesome but add more poseability,higher adult sculpt & more realistic aircraft carrier adult themed colors. 9.5 inches tall in robot mode leader sized.

Beastwars Transmetal 1 Megatron. 8.5 inches tall in robot mode height.

Generation 2 huge green tank megatron. 9.5 inches tall in robot
height.

Armada Jetfire. have it based off a official Nasa space shuttle. have tons of open panels revealing the engine, super poseable & adult themed sculpt. 8.5 inches tall in robot height.

Beastwars Ravage,have it transform from a jaguar then into a robot
mode that looks like his season 2 beastwars form. have the toy be very poseable & 8 inches tall in robot mode

My first choice would be all WFC characters. IMO, they're awesome neo-G1 designs that stay true to their G1 elements [not a Geewunner, but I can appreciate a good homage]. Hover mode, melee weapons and interchangeable weapons [null-ray, missile launcher etc.] are a must.

And Soundwave must come with his minions, obviously.

Movieverse Bonecrusher. The poster boy for brutish Decepticon grunts, this guy just oozes rage. If Takara is going to make a MP out of this, he must be super screen-accurate and uber posable. I'd love to pose him and movieverse OP fighting it out.

Which reminds me; make a MP movieverse OP, too.

Lastly, I'd like to see a MP version of movieverse Megatron. I really like his Cybertronian jet design, but the LC class toy left much to be desired.

Almost anything from beast wars would interest me.

I like the idea of optimus prime and jetfire combining, but armada and movie haven't ever done it in a way I liked.
So maybe an completely new, unique and original optimus and jetfire that combine. I think if takara didn't have the restraints of TV/movie accuracy, they could make a truly fantastic toy.

My vote is NO for the the most part.

The argument for this has been stated before.....but i can't remember when but the consensus i think was that G1 was the series least best represented in toy format from it's animated iteration and badly deserves the kind of upgrade/revisiting that the MP line gives them. They just need to pump out more variety from G1 and more figures.

Most all other lines have had proper articulation and really good interpretations of their animated selves in toy format because the technology in toy making advanced i.e ball joints and the like.

The only other line i would say other than G1 would be Headmasters.

I'd like to see SkullCruncher, Mindwipe, Weirdwolf, Sixshot, Chromedome and a Monsterbot.....either Repugnus or Grotusque specifically.

monstergrotusque wrote:My vote is NO for the the most part.

The argument for this has been stated before.....but i can't remember when but the consensus i think was that G1 was the series least best represented in toy format from it's animated iteration and badly deserves the kind of upgrade/revisiting that the MP line gives them. They just need to pump out more variety from G1 and more figures.

Most all other lines have had proper articulation and really good interpretations of their animated selves in toy format because the technology in toy making advanced i.e ball joints and the like.

The only other line i would say other than G1 would be Headmasters.

I'd like to see SkullCruncher, Mindwipe, Weirdwolf, Sixshot, Chromedome and a Monsterbot.....either Repugnus or Grotusque specifically.

I would most definitely buy a Sixshot... would love to see what today's toy making advancements can do with him. He was really innovative in his time, and even his toy wasn't half bad. Really one of the holy grails as a kid, since my parents would never buy such an expensive figure.

I agree that of all the toys that have appeared, G1 is the most sentimental, and yet in a sense, the worst made. This has really to do with the toy technology. Even as a kid, I wasn't interested in getting every single figure because I could see how one mode would look great, but the alternate mode was just crappy. They had some really great ideas, such as Powermaster Optimus Prime, but just not the technology to produce figures like those these days, where both modes can look great. That's why I'm quite keen to see what Ultimate Prime can do.

Then again, some concepts might be difficult to really completely revamp. The recent SOC Daltanious for example, transforms pretty much the same way as the Godaikin one, and I was disappointed that even with today's technology he still can't bend his knees much.

Fire Convoy/ Omega Prime?

Heck, we still don't even have a proper MP Ultra Magnus in armor yet.......

Well ... I wouldn't mind some later G1s. Despite knowing nothing about the guy I wouldn't mind a MP Star Saber. Or Deathsaurus. But even though I liked Beast Wars and Animated I mostly only collect G1.

Technically they do make non-G1 MPs for the MP movie line. It's kinda lame that they're just leader class molds, but they are marketed as MPs.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:
Technically they do make non-G1 MPs for the MP movie line. It's kinda lame that they're just leader class molds, but they are marketed as MPs.

Although they don't really count, at least they've been half decent (though not for the price)

I feel that as far as the quality we first say in MP-01, die case content, sturdiness, individually articulated figures, complex transformation etc, the apple has fallen very far from the tree indeed as far as the Masterpiece label goes.

No, not really.

Mostly for the reasons that monstergrotusque stated, but also it has to do with character affinity.

I just don't have the love for the characters that would get me to shell out over a hundred bucks for a "perfect" Cheetor or RID Megatron, for example.

Heck I passed on Classics Cheetor how many times.

Add to that here are still many, many characters, like Ultra Magnus (armored), Galvatron, the rest of the Dinobots, Shockwave, Soundwave ... I can go on for a while here ... that all are waiting to see an MP figure.

I DO think it is a silly waste that they are redoing MP Prime again. If the rumors are true though, he will see a remold/repaint that has Magnus armor.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:My first choice would be all WFC characters. IMO, they're awesome neo-G1 designs that stay true to their G1 elements [not a Geewunner, but I can appreciate a good homage]. Hover mode, melee weapons and interchangeable weapons [null-ray, missile launcher etc.] are a must.

And Soundwave must come with his minions, obviously.

Movieverse Bonecrusher. The poster boy for brutish Decepticon grunts, this guy just oozes rage. If Takara is going to make a MP out of this, he must be super screen-accurate and uber posable. I'd love to pose him and movieverse OP fighting it out.

Which reminds me; make a MP movieverse OP, too.

Lastly, I'd like to see a MP version of movieverse Megatron. I really like his Cybertronian jet design, but the LC class toy left much to be desired.

NO,I honestly don't think using the war for cybertron video games TF toys & making some masterpiece TF's,THEY'D BE AWFUL TOYS. Because their alt modes don't look like anything on earth & they also can't be based off liscensed alt modes nor military realistic alt modes.

I THINK THE MAIN THING SHOULD BE PICKING A NON-G-1 toy with a alt mode that is a liscensed alt mode or a military realistic alt mode.

I don't think takara would want to base any MP TF toy off a alien jet like movie verse megatron. honestly this toy looks bad in both modes,I can't magine them improving it in a MP styled toy. I'D PREFER THEY CHOSE ANOTHER MEGATRON TOY WITH A REALISTIC JET MODE. like the energon leader sized toy that can be tweaked to give it a closer enough realistic military jet mode.

fenrir72 wrote:Fire Convoy/ Omega Prime?

Heck, we still don't even have a proper MP Ultra Magnus in armor yet.......

These 2 sound like great candidates for the MP TF toy treatment. because the original CR/RID toyswere based off liscensed alt modes.

the PROBLEM is the original 2 rid toys were so awesome & super poseable. HOW DOES ONE IMPROVE on already awesome previous molds for the MP TF styled toys.

I suspose improvement could be as follows: make MP Rid optimus transform like DOTM sentinel prime does,without breaking apart into armor pieces.

I suspose improvements for Rid ultra magnus could be to combine him with optimus in a better armor pieces way or do the energon 2-in1 shirts/pants combiner style.

deathy wrote:NO,I honestly don't think using the war for cybertron video games TF toys & making some masterpiece TF's,THEY'D BE AWFUL TOYS. Because their alt modes don't look like anything on earth & they also can't be based off liscensed alt modes nor military realistic alt modes.

I THINK THE MAIN THING SHOULD BE PICKING A NON-G-1 toy with a alt mode that is a liscensed alt mode or a military realistic alt mode.

I don't think takara would want to base any MP TF toy off a alien jet like movie verse megatron. honestly this toy looks bad in both modes,I can't magine them improving it in a MP styled toy. I'D PREFER THEY CHOSE ANOTHER MEGATRON TOY WITH A REALISTIC JET MODE. like the energon leader sized toy that can be tweaked to give it a closer enough realistic military jet mode.

That's coming from a guy who suggested toys like Energon Galvatron and Tidalwave?

Let them talk and discuss without shooting them down or this thread will more than likely do what happened last time. I don't see why they can't discuss non realistic alt modes considering how your first few suggestions were non-realistic.

Tidalwave's already beautiful. No need to redo him.

Same thing with Jetfire.

I just feel that non-G1 Masterpiece figures won't sell very well. Even if it was some of the stuff you described, it would be cool, but it's just, I dunno, I dig Armada but it's not the most popular series out there.

Plus people would be pissy about why we're getting MP Armada Jetfire, and not the G1 version.

Screamfleet wrote:Almost anything from beast wars would interest me.

I like the idea of optimus prime and jetfire combining, but armada and movie haven't ever done it in a way I liked.
So maybe an completely new, unique and original optimus and jetfire that combine. I think if takara didn't have the restraints of TV/movie accuracy, they could make a truly fantastic toy.

I think the fan interest is still their for a few MP Beastwars toys.

The problem they'd all have to be Voyager size. as any larger size wouldn't look right nor feel good in size scale shelves.

Since this is the MP TF toy line. Takara only likes to select high ranking leaders or high ranking second in commands.

I'd say MP Beastwars toys of optimus primal & Megatron would be suffice.

I don't think it would be proper to over kill the market with more than 2 MP Beastwars toys.

As far as doing MP Movie verse toys for ROTF Optimus & ROTF Jetfire.
IT'S BEEN DONE ALREADY IN JAPAN. Japan has already labeled their ROTF 2009 leader sized released of both optimus & jetfire as MP movie verse toys.

Creating more would be over kill & upset most of the fandom. it would be like wasting more MP toy slots to create another MP Grimlock new mold. create another MP Rodimus prime new mold. create another MP seeker starscream new mold & so forth.

The reason why Takara is labeling their movie verse leader sized toys as MASTERPIECE TF toys. is because they are on par/similar/better than the G-1 MP TF toys. because their extremly super poseable. have high adult sculpt,some of them are based off liscensed alt modes & realistic army alt modes. the over all engineering & joint structure is extremly superior.

robofreak wrote:

deathy wrote:NO,I honestly don't think using the war for cybertron video games TF toys & making some masterpiece TF's,THEY'D BE AWFUL TOYS. Because their alt modes don't look like anything on earth & they also can't be based off liscensed alt modes nor military realistic alt modes.

I THINK THE MAIN THING SHOULD BE PICKING A NON-G-1 toy with a alt mode that is a liscensed alt mode or a military realistic alt mode.

I don't think takara would want to base any MP TF toy off a alien jet like movie verse megatron. honestly this toy looks bad in both modes,I can't magine them improving it in a MP styled toy. I'D PREFER THEY CHOSE ANOTHER MEGATRON TOY WITH A REALISTIC JET MODE. like the energon leader sized toy that can be tweaked to give it a closer enough realistic military jet mode.

That's coming from a guy who suggested toys like Energon Galvatron and Tidalwave?

Let them talk and discuss without shooting them down or this thread will more than likely do what happened last time. I don't see why they can't discuss non realistic alt modes considering how your first few suggestions were non-realistic.

Sorry,it wasn't intent to shoot down anyone's ideas in this thread.

Since,you asked, i'll stop shooting down ideas & not bother replying anymore in this thread. I'll let the others debate & discuss everything in this thread.

Anyways I've already said all I had to say in this thread. my over all opinion is fully expressed in this thread already.

Armada tidalwave was based off a actual realistic military alt mode aircraft carrier. that had the design tweaked a bit to make it kid friendly. it can get re-tweaked to give it a slightly more realitic aircraft carrier alt mode.

Energon megatron's jet mode,rumors were it was based off a realitic army jet. If not it can be given one that looks similar to the energon megatron jet design. AT LEAST it's good room to give it a similar realitic jet mode.

Blurrz wrote:Tidalwave's already beautiful. No need to redo him.

Same thing with Jetfire.

I just feel that non-G1 Masterpiece figures won't sell very well. Even if it was some of the stuff you described, it would be cool, but it's just, I dunno, I dig Armada but it's not the most popular series out there.

Plus people would be pissy about why we're getting MP Armada Jetfire, and not the G1 version.

I think the solution to doing NON-G-1 MP TF toys is to do them on a much lower size scale. like maybe just doing VOYAGER sized MP NON-G-1 TF toys.

MP beastwars toys would really benefit from the voyager size scale. as they were smaller in the CGI cartoon compared to actual G-1 transformers.

ALSO like you suggested some Armada,energon,cybertron,rid,etc toys aren't as in demand nor that popular compared to G-1 toys for the MP TF toy treatment. So doing smaller voyager MP TF toys for non-G-1 toys makes sense from all marketing angles.

I think a voyager sized MP TF toy has a lot of potential. because it'll be arouns 6.3 to 6.8 inches in robot height. the smaller size scale would mean a cheaper price paid for this toy. Takara can still make this toy super poseable. give it a extremly high/exspensive adult themed sculpt/design. add a few diecast metal parts in the feet & so forth. give it the superior toy engineering that the MP TF toy offer. give it poseable fingers/wrist. give the toy tons of weapons & accessories. give it a nice shiny over coat paint application. OBVIOUSLY try to select & give it a liscensed alt mode or realistic military alt mode.

I wasn't trying to keep you from not replying deathy, I just didn't like where things where going with shooting down opinions.

Everyone is free to comment, but I just don't want a war to break out like the last time we had a MP based thread like this.

I vote no...they only have like 7 legitimate G1 MPs. They have a long way to go before they should start bothering to go elsewhere with the line...especially when they're already rebooting some of the legitimate ones. They better do a legitimate Ultra Magnus with the Prime reboot!

I would probably buy WFC MPs, though, but they're not necessary...

(Although they have already done "Movie MPs". I think they should do a recall on those and blackout the MP reference on the boxes, though.

I think Beast Wars might be a good idea. As good as some of the toys were there were some characters that were not that well represented. Still, I'd rather these (and post-G1 types, like the Headmasters/Victory/Masterforce guys) get the Classics/Generations treatment instead. (maybe even BW characters in the Legends/Legion/Cyberverse scale to better fit with the primarily G1 types we've had so far)

The Beast Wars figures are in scale

deathy wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:My first choice would be all WFC characters. IMO, they're awesome neo-G1 designs that stay true to their G1 elements [not a Geewunner, but I can appreciate a good homage]. Hover mode, melee weapons and interchangeable weapons [null-ray, missile launcher etc.] are a must.

And Soundwave must come with his minions, obviously.

Movieverse Bonecrusher. The poster boy for brutish Decepticon grunts, this guy just oozes rage. If Takara is going to make a MP out of this, he must be super screen-accurate and uber posable. I'd love to pose him and movieverse OP fighting it out.

Which reminds me; make a MP movieverse OP, too.

Lastly, I'd like to see a MP version of movieverse Megatron. I really like his Cybertronian jet design, but the LC class toy left much to be desired.

NO,I honestly don't think using the war for cybertron video games TF toys & making some masterpiece TF's,THEY'D BE AWFUL TOYS. Because their alt modes don't look like anything on earth & they also can't be based off liscensed alt modes nor military realistic alt modes.

I THINK THE MAIN THING SHOULD BE PICKING A NON-G-1 toy with a alt mode that is a liscensed alt mode or a military realistic alt mode.

I don't think takara would want to base any MP TF toy off a alien jet like movie verse megatron. honestly this toy looks bad in both modes,I can't magine them improving it in a MP styled toy. I'D PREFER THEY CHOSE ANOTHER MEGATRON TOY WITH A REALISTIC JET MODE. like the energon leader sized toy that can be tweaked to give it a closer enough realistic military jet mode.

If no offense is meant, then none is taken.

It's a matter of opinion; you like realistic, I like Cybertronian. Period.

TulioDude wrote:The Beast Wars figures are in scale

yes. with MPs. Somehow though, the majority of my TFs are not Masterpiece scale.

I think it's obvious people just want more beast wars in general. I think various things from season 1 would really work well, but seasons 2 and 3, not as needed so much.

see, screamfleet, I'm actually all about season 2 and 3. Yes the original figures could do with updates, but I'm not a huge fan of the not robotic beast modes. I prefer Transmetals. More posable versions of TM Cheetor, TM Blackarachnia and so forth would be cool. Also, a Rhinox with at least one chaingun of doom that actually looks decent. I'm not all that bothered if it fits into the rhino mode, I just want my bad ass Rhinox mofo.

Of course MP should expand into more continuities. I think all the continuities could use MPs, though I agree that G1 benefits the most. I would love to see a MP Armada Hot Shot.