The Energon Pub

Greetings all.

As many of you know, I am a large Guiltor fan. What's that, you don't know who Guiltor is? Not a surprise, as he's a VERY obscure character from a Japanese Manga:





http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Guiltar

I've made sure not to spout on and on about the character because let's face it, he's a one shot character, and there's really not much fiction about him, so you like him or you don't. However, it can be argued that yes, he is the original Nemesis Prime, but whether this concept influenced NP is an unknown. Either way, Guiltor(and I'm using this spelling because it's the one used in the translation I read) has an interesting and unique design that has yet made it to plastic form.

Oh, we've had a couple close calls:







Grey and red Primes with a little gold thrown in? Yeah I think they evoke Guiltor, but even I have to admit it's probably just me.

So why am I starting a thread NOW wondering why a figure hasn't been made?

Dark of the Moon. That's why.



It's Megatron...pretending he's Optimus Prime. Gee, that sounds very much like the concept of Guiltor to me.

But still, at it's core it's still Megatron, and Guiltor is mainly just a redesin of Optimus Prime with big guns attached to...oh wait:





So now for my final question: If Has/Tak can do that, why can't they make Guiltor? It's not like obscure characters haven't been made recently. Heck, Darkmount got a brand new mold for crying out loud, and G2 Thundercracker(though a repaint) got a release.

So seibertron.com, what do you think, will we ever get a Guiltor? Should we get a Guiltor? Or is this character destined to remain in obscurity forever?

As much as I like the concept and appearance for Guiltor, I doubt it would happen, because he's obscure even for the fandom.

Midnight_Fox wrote:As much as I like the concept and appearance for Guiltor, I doubt it would happen, because he's obscure even for the fandom.

Not just that, it's Optimus Prime we're talking about, the icon for Transformers, instantaneously recognisable by all. Guiltor is exactly like him in appearance, only evil and with a few extra pieces. And that will be his undoing should he come out as a toy. Think about it, it's like Superman gone bad.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Think about it, it's like Superman gone bad.

You mean like the Elseworlds where he was the son of Darkseid?

Or like Superman Prime?

Or like when Max Lord mind controlled him?

Or like that time with Starro?

Midnight_Fox wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Think about it, it's like Superman gone bad.

You mean like the Elseworlds where he was the son of Darkseid?

Or like Superman Prime?

Or like when Max Lord mind controlled him?

Or like that time with Starro?

you for got about that one time in Vegas.

There could be licensing issues. Guiltar was a manga-only character, so maybe some other company also owns the rights to him.

Personally, I'd love to see a Neo-G1 Guiltar nonetheless. 3rd parties .... are you listening?

Midnight_Fox wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Think about it, it's like Superman gone bad.

You mean like the Elseworlds where he was the son of Darkseid?

Or like Superman Prime?

Or like when Max Lord mind controlled him?

Or like that time with Starro?

I can't beleive you forgot Cyborg Superman!

Astronopolis wrote:

Midnight_Fox wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Think about it, it's like Superman gone bad.

You mean like the Elseworlds where he was the son of Darkseid?

Or like Superman Prime?

Or like when Max Lord mind controlled him?

Or like that time with Starro?

I can't beleive you forgot Cyborg Superman!

I don't count Hank Henshaw because he's not some form of Kal-el/Clark Kent, he's just a guy who can't die in a cyborg body with cloned Superman parts.

Duke of Luns wrote:

That's who I'm using as Guiltor. It's not bad really.

You forgot the Classics deluxe Optimus Prime

I'd like to see some sort of release for the guy, but I doubt we will. There's no Trailbreaker in anything other than Legends so far.

TulioDude wrote:You forgot the Classics deluxe Optimus Prime

No, no I didn't. Deluxe Prime is decent, but there is very little about it that evoke Guiltor. No big arm cannon, no black/grey legs, no gold swirly lines, nothin. Oh I agree if Hasbro remolded Prime he would make an excellent Guiltor. The figure would be on the small side, but beggers can't be choosers.

Besides, I honestly think it could be done! Stick some new permanant sholder pads on there(slot 'em in where the smokestacks are), and design a cannon that can be disembled and lock over the arms. It's not like Hasbro hasn't done it before. Wasn't practically the entire final wave of Spectacular Spider-Man toys just re-releases with new armor?

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I'd like to see some sort of release for the guy, but I doubt we will. There's no Trailbreaker in anything other than Legends so far.

Yeah, I'll agree with ya there. Trailbreaker does deserve a Classics figure more.

Mkall wrote:

Duke of Luns wrote:

That's who I'm using as Guiltor. It's not bad really.

I think that's where that idea got stuck in my head from, actually, cause I vaguely remember you posting that once . Yeah, I've got a weird memory.

Woo, double post!!!

Miracle of technology!

Looks like a job for Botcon! (Here's hoping)