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Black Hat wrote:Completely cheating the conversion just to get it that little bit closer (and even then only from the front) seems like it defeats the entire point of a Transformer.
ultraimpossibleman wrote:Grand innacurration and heavy mistakes !
Diem wrote:This is exactly the kind of nonsense I'm here for.
Ultra Markus wrote:what i dont get is all this cartoon accuracy for the robot but yet still make the truck realistic
they should make the truck mode cartoon accurate as well
Qwan wrote: Like, are we really just going to keep glossing over this?
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Qwan wrote:Black Hat wrote:Completely cheating the conversion just to get it that little bit closer (and even then only from the front) seems like it defeats the entire point of a Transformer.
This is actually a really good point too. Sure this new Optimus is mega-accurate from some angles, but it's also so obvious that his back is covered in panelly kibble. Say whatever you like about MP-10's proportions, but that thing looks good from basically every angle - such minimal kibble that it really doesn't look like it could transform!
Prime 3.0, in theory, should look even less like he's capable of transforming since there are so many changes between modes. But the difference is the abundance of panels, flaps and gaps that look to be adorning the back-side like a set of scales, making it so painfully obvious that he turns into something else and kinda ruining the whole illusion they're going for. Like, are we really just going to keep glossing over this?
Hellscream9999 wrote:Have you seen what the animations did to the bw characters? dinobots dino head literally detaches from his body model and then gets squished almost flat... you can't do that sort of thing with plastic, same goes for cheetor and rattrap
ZeroWolf wrote:That was true originally but now the masterpiece line is all about 100% cartoon accuracy, as technology has progressed to where it's capable to do such a thing. What you want is toy accuracy more or less
ZeroWolf wrote:What you want is toy accuracy more or less
Black Hat wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:That was true originally but now the masterpiece line is all about 100% cartoon accuracy, as technology has progressed to where it's capable to do such a thing. What you want is toy accuracy more or less
I get that, but I for one really don't think that's a good thing, nor a thing to be supported. The MP line, even accounting for the improvements in technology, was never supposed to be "the cartoon models in 3D"- it was always "The essence of the character distilled into a modern, good-looking toy" as I believe Hasui put it. Makes me wonder how Megatron would have looked under Hasui.
Meh. I think I'll either get MP-10 or that Prime being made by Magic Square.
ExciKaiser wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:What you want is toy accuracy more or less
No, I want alt-mode respect.
Alt mode parts should not be hidden in order to be replaced by a "more cartoon accurate part".
Toys which do that are no longer transformers. They're somewhere between Popples and RPMs.
They're not really different than this, with more articulation :
It's because Optimus got his truck cab on chest that he got his iconic looking (even if animators stylized it). Witthout the alt mode parts, transformers woould haven't looked the same, that's what define them. Hidding this part to match the impossible animation looks is completely betraying the original idea behind transformers.
If you wonder, yes I also hate most of the movies toys for the same Reason, CGI animators made impossible transformations (with so little altmode parts showing that all the bots look the same) that the toy try to reach by cheating even more.
Black Hat wrote:Makes me wonder how Megatron would have looked under Hasui.
shajaki wrote:All this talk about what the line is and isn't.... isn't it whatever they say it is, whenever they say it? It's their thing, and (clearly) they can change it however they see fit.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
I agree with you there, but I think it's more discussion about what people would prefer the line to be. It is admittedly frustrating and confusing when a line originally stated to have one goal changes objectives in the middle, without ever completing its original purpose.shajaki wrote:All this talk about what the line is and isn't.... isn't it whatever they say it is, whenever they say it? It's their thing, and (clearly) they can change it however they see fit.
It might also be that his MP-10 is a little old now, and the smokestacks don't stay pushed up any more. Mine is in that state too, personally. Though it does look to be in otherwise great condition in those photos so maybe it was intentional - who knows.Cyberpath wrote:A couple years ago I kind of had the feeling that he wished he'd made MP-10 even more cartoon-accurate. Just a hunch based on how he posed his smokestacks in his most recent photos of the figure.
ultraimpossibleman wrote:Grand innacurration and heavy mistakes !
Diem wrote:This is exactly the kind of nonsense I'm here for.
Black Hat wrote:I get that, but I for one really don't think that's a good thing, nor a thing to be supported. The MP line, even accounting for the improvements in technology, was never supposed to be "the cartoon models in 3D"- it was always "The essence of the character distilled into a modern, good-looking toy" as I believe Hasui put it.
Ironhidensh wrote:I've learned not to criticize an MP until I have it in hand.
A noteworthy new item will appear in "Masterpiece" which is the highest peak brand of Takara Tomy's transformer toy.
Characters that are keenly developing for the release in 2019, you know! First animation "Fight! Super robot living body Transformers "It is the first general commander convoy of Cybertron. Convoy which has been commercialized twice in the past as "MP-1 Convoy" and "MP-10 Convoy", but in "version 3" this time, the tire of the leg at robot mode In particular, noteworthy is the fact that the anime's reproducibility has increased to the limit by the startling deformation mechanism in which no common parts are found in the vehicle mode and the robot mode in the case of the vehicle mode).
In addition, it is said that a voice gimmick containing a lot of voices of Mr. Gengada Toru who was in charge of the voice of the first convoy is included. I am looking forward to it, but I will inform you about detailed product specifications with hobby web, so please look forward to it !!
DATA
Transformers Masterpiece Convoy (Ver3)
Price: TBD
Scheduled to be released in 2019
Target age 15 years and older
Publisher: Takara Tomy
※ The picture is under development
fenrir72 wrote:Oh SCRAP! He's got electronics! Please let it be with Roller or the Combat deck trailer and not be in the truck cab!
noteworthy is the fact that the anime's reproducibility has increased to the limit by the startling deformation mechanism in which no common parts are found in the vehicle mode and the robot mode in the case of the vehicle mode
Cyberpath wrote:Don't care for voice gimmicks. Even if they were in English. Still haven't checked Megatron's. But as long as they don't interfere with the figures...
Wolfman Jake wrote:Black Hat wrote:I get that, but I for one really don't think that's a good thing, nor a thing to be supported. The MP line, even accounting for the improvements in technology, was never supposed to be "the cartoon models in 3D"- it was always "The essence of the character distilled into a modern, good-looking toy" as I believe Hasui put it.
That hasn't really been true since MP-10, though. That was a very concerted effort to make the figures look a lot more screen accurate. No one likes the way the Seekers turned out before (MP-3, etc.). MP-1 Optimus was too big and had wonky proportions too. Megatron was far from what anyone wanted in terms of looks and quality. With MP-10 forward, the idea was to make G1 characters with their original licensed alt modes (or use characters that don't need licensing) and robot modes that looked mostly like the on-screen models. They weren't trying to make toy accurate robot modes or detailing by any stretch of the imagination. Although a lot of character choices were originally constrained by what licenses Takara could get, most of the characters they did didn't need a lot of fudging or compromise to get a reasonably good looking robot mode out of a real car or whatever. Now they're onto the harder stuff like Sunstreaker, Megatron, and the Beast Wars cast, and more "cheats" are needed. They've always preferred the cartoon look of characters since MP-10, and now they have to work harder to do so, though they also have learned new techniques to make such possible. Everything about how the Masterpiece line has changed over the years makes perfect sense. It would never have been this popular and long-lived if they had stayed with the original design vision from MP-1 through 8 or 9.
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