The Energon Pub

Tony Blair?! Who gives a damn I thought this was about Tony Bair!!!!!!!!!

Blair resigned because Brown wanted his job. Bad as Blair is Brown is worse and now it looks as if we're stuck with him for 2 years.

Not sure if it's the exact reason, but recent local elections in England and devolved government elections in Scotland and Wales made it obvious that the majority of the public have turned against the Labour party. Of course your average joe bloggs on the street could have told you this months ago, he just couldn't be in denial about it anymore. It's also likely that his own party are pushing him out "behind the scenes" because of this, hopeing to have him gone and forgotten and a new leader and new immage in place for the next election. And what Dick said is true, when he became Labour leader the current chancellor Gordon Brown promised not to run against him in the leadership contest only if he would hand over leadership to him when he resigned at some point in the future.

Uncrazzimatic wrote:Not sure if it's the exact reason, but recent local elections in England and devolved government elections in Scotland and Wales made it obvious that the majority of the public have turned against the Labour party. Of course your average joe bloggs on the street could have told you this months ago, he just couldn't be in denial about it anymore. It's also likely that his own party are pushing him out "behind the scenes" because of this, hopeing to have him gone and forgotten and a new leader and new immage in place for the next election.

Blair said during the last election thet he'd be stepping down in the near future but hadn't set a date. Last weeks local elections had nothing to do with it.

i would really like to give a damn, but it's just so difficult

tequila stu wrote:i would really like to give a damn, but it's just so difficult

indeed, the difference between the major british parities seems to be the colour of their ties, and the other parties are either nazis or eco-nazis

Dick wrote:

Uncrazzimatic wrote:Not sure if it's the exact reason, but recent local elections in England and devolved government elections in Scotland and Wales made it obvious that the majority of the public have turned against the Labour party. Of course your average joe bloggs on the street could have told you this months ago, he just couldn't be in denial about it anymore. It's also likely that his own party are pushing him out "behind the scenes" because of this, hopeing to have him gone and forgotten and a new leader and new immage in place for the next election.

Blair said during the last election thet he'd be stepping down in the near future but hadn't set a date. Last weeks local elections had nothing to do with it.

Sorry let me clarify my point. He did say he was going to step down last year yes, but as you said he didn't pick a date. Why do you think he chose now then?

Hot_Rod wrote:I thought Blair was a good candidate. Way better than Bush and if he was the U.S. president dealing with U.S. issues 5 years back, I seriously doubt we would have this mess in Iraq.

I look at Blair and I see shades of Ronald Reagon but with a British accent.


My understanding is that the biggest real issue people have with him is his alliance he had with Bush. Well if there was no Bush, do you think he would be more Popular in the UK?

nope.....i'm an snp kinda guy

Hot_Rod wrote:I thought Blair was a good candidate. Way better than Bush and if he was the U.S. president dealing with U.S. issues 5 years back, I seriously doubt we would have this mess in Iraq.

I look at Blair and I see shades of Ronald Reagon but with a British accent.


My understanding is that the biggest real issue people have with him is his alliance he had with Bush. Well if there was no Bush, do you think he would be more Popular in the UK?

yes and no, the whole Bush puppet, and iraq war issue tends to eclipse his earlier problems with spin (alistair campbell anyone?) the fuel tax problem, and then theirs the the whole cash for peerage scandal that's yet to be decided.

Man, I need to start watching the news again or something. I wasn't aware Blair was outta office. Darn. Sucks for him...


This discussions confusiong me and I've no idea why.

*goes to get some strong coffee*

Tammuz wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:I thought Blair was a good candidate. Way better than Bush and if he was the U.S. president dealing with U.S. issues 5 years back, I seriously doubt we would have this mess in Iraq.

I look at Blair and I see shades of Ronald Reagon but with a British accent.


My understanding is that the biggest real issue people have with him is his alliance he had with Bush. Well if there was no Bush, do you think he would be more Popular in the UK?

yes and no, the whole Bush puppet, and iraq war issue tends to eclipse his earlier problems with spin (alistair campbell anyone?) the fuel tax problem, and then theirs the the whole cash for peerage scandal that's yet to be decided.

Would the NHS be included in that list or not?

tequila stu wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:I thought Blair was a good candidate. Way better than Bush and if he was the U.S. president dealing with U.S. issues 5 years back, I seriously doubt we would have this mess in Iraq.

I look at Blair and I see shades of Ronald Reagon but with a British accent.


My understanding is that the biggest real issue people have with him is his alliance he had with Bush. Well if there was no Bush, do you think he would be more Popular in the UK?

yes and no, the whole Bush puppet, and iraq war issue tends to eclipse his earlier problems with spin (alistair campbell anyone?) the fuel tax problem, and then theirs the the whole cash for peerage scandal that's yet to be decided.

Would the NHS be included in that list or not?

i don't think the Iraq mess has quite eclipsed how crap the NHS is.

Tammuz wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:I thought Blair was a good candidate. Way better than Bush and if he was the U.S. president dealing with U.S. issues 5 years back, I seriously doubt we would have this mess in Iraq.

I look at Blair and I see shades of Ronald Reagon but with a British accent.


My understanding is that the biggest real issue people have with him is his alliance he had with Bush. Well if there was no Bush, do you think he would be more Popular in the UK?

yes and no, the whole Bush puppet, and iraq war issue tends to eclipse his earlier problems with spin (alistair campbell anyone?) the fuel tax problem, and then theirs the the whole cash for peerage scandal that's yet to be decided.

That's more to do with New Labour [or neo conservatives] as a whole reflecting badly on Tony Blair as their front-man. Blair being Bush's comedy sidekick is the main issue concerning him specifically.

Dick wrote: Blair being Bush's comedy sidekick is the main issue concerning him specifically.

And now I really want that to be a TV show, preferrably emulating 60s batman.

Dick wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:I thought Blair was a good candidate. Way better than Bush and if he was the U.S. president dealing with U.S. issues 5 years back, I seriously doubt we would have this mess in Iraq.

I look at Blair and I see shades of Ronald Reagon but with a British accent.


My understanding is that the biggest real issue people have with him is his alliance he had with Bush. Well if there was no Bush, do you think he would be more Popular in the UK?

yes and no, the whole Bush puppet, and iraq war issue tends to eclipse his earlier problems with spin (alistair campbell anyone?) the fuel tax problem, and then theirs the the whole cash for peerage scandal that's yet to be decided.

That's more to do with New Labour [or neo conservatives] as a whole reflecting badly on Tony Blair as their front-man. Blair being Bush's comedy sidekick is the main issue concerning him specifically.

How on earth could you possibly label New Labour as neo-conservatives?

Regardless, Blair's legacy will be Iraq, the NHS, and billions squandered on ridiculous bureaucratic agencies, QUANGOs and other useless government initiatives.

left wing political parties are a thing of the past in England.
Democracy is an illusion as all politicians are inherently self serving.
The free markets and capitalism are our new leaders.

Tony Blair's parting words to the UK as Prime Minister were, "Good luck."

I think that says it all.


And apparently, he is to devote the rest of his days attempting to unite Christians, Muslims and Jews.

Bit frickin late for that.

Also, I work for the NHS in Mental Health Services, and quite honestly, it is a total lottery with regards to the quality of treatment on offer. This is because there is no funding available for decent services and it's down to individual workers to either work their asses off for little reward or burn out and get stressed.

Subsonika wrote:Tony Blair's parting words to the UK as Prime Minister were, "Good luck."

And apparently, he is to devote the rest of his days attempting to unite Christians, Muslims and Jews.

With that as a goal we shold be the ones saying good luck to him. He needs it more.

Blair - well, he's a war criminal. He should be in the dock in the Hague. It turns out that he was pushing for a war in Iraq at least since the late 1990s, and was a major driving force - along with the cigar case - in Operation Desert Fox in 1998. So if Blair had been in charge in the US, Operation Iraqi Freedom would've happened sooner...

That aside, the Labour Party have actually improved things at home. The economy is strong, the NHS is better than under the Tories (yes really), and so on and so forth.

Essentially the main problem is that all the good bits, such as they are, are massively overshadowed by the increasing rich-poor divide, the **** state of the housing market and most obviously the illegal war in Iraq.

Brown's about as bad as Blair, but more of a coward. I was hoping John McDonnel would at least get a chance to stand against him, but it turns out that the Labour MPs are even more spineless than I gave them credit for.

Tammuz wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:I thought Blair was a good candidate. Way better than Bush and if he was the U.S. president dealing with U.S. issues 5 years back, I seriously doubt we would have this mess in Iraq.

I look at Blair and I see shades of Ronald Reagon but with a British accent.


My understanding is that the biggest real issue people have with him is his alliance he had with Bush. Well if there was no Bush, do you think he would be more Popular in the UK?

yes and no, the whole Bush puppet, and iraq war issue tends to eclipse his earlier problems with spin (alistair campbell anyone?) the fuel tax problem, and then theirs the the whole cash for peerage scandal that's yet to be decided.

My biggest gripe with him when i lived in britain was his whole cash for doing **** all policy...

"C'mon kids open your legs get up the duff and you win a free house.....Oh and don't you johnny foreigners feel left out, come to britain and have some free houses and free money...there not enough to go around but i couldn't give a **** about our own homeless here in britain..."

That IMHO pretty much sums up Blair...he did more for this country than Hitler ever could have done....

skyshadowprimus wrote:My biggest gripe with him when i lived in britain was his whole cash for doing **** all policy...

"C'mon kids open your legs get up the duff and you win a free house.....Oh and don't you johnny foreigners feel left out, come to britain and have some free houses and free money...there not enough to go around but i couldn't give a **** about our own homeless here in britain..."

That IMHO pretty much sums up Blair...he did more for this country than Hitler ever could have done....

That's... just total rubbish. Blair's Britain is as much a proponent of TANSTAAFL as any other government has been. Homelessness in Britain is a topic of great contention - none of the figures are really accurate - but what the figures suggest is that it's fallen from the high under the Tories in the late 1980s and early 1990s.