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robofreak wrote:deathy wrote:amtm wrote:I think the real takeaway from all of this is that Masterpiece toys (as they are now) often feature excellent aesthetics and often very interesting engineering, but very poor execution in materials and durability. If every Masterpiece were as solid as Prime, and as reasonably priced as Skywarp ($60 originally, $30 on clearance), I'd buy them all. But since many are not designed to withstand play or even light handling, there's little enjoyment to get out of them. It's one of those cases where a company believes by sticking a fancy name and a premium price tag on something, it can make a lot of money, but it fails to make the necessary investment (in materials, redesign, quality control, whatever) to make the product live up to expectations.
This isn't fact it's a opinion.
You appear to not even own all 5 new mold MP TF toys released thus far.
Honestly,forming a opinion on things not ownned & not played with makes ZERO sense.
So you're saying just because he doesn't own all of the MP molds, he can't talk about this? I only own 3 MPs. 2 of which are repaints. Does that make me unable to comment even after personally handling most of them anyway? Also, based on that post, you don't even know if he owns them all.
I'm not sure anymore if you like to troll or not with this. MPs are nice, but so far everything in this thread has done a pretty good job of showing that if you want Quality and durability then MP is not the way to go. If you want some aesthetically awesome, then MP all the way.
You're treating this all like everything you say is fact, when just as you said about amtm's post, it's a opinion. You are of the opinion that MP's are the end all of figures. The general consensus of this thread is against that way of thinking. Personally I don't care at this point. To each their own.
I'm going to buy whatever I want because a rant or 2 on the net is going to deter me from buying stuff.
What keeps me from buying stuff are massive QC issues which have been prevalent is current MP figures. That's why I'm waiting for the second version of rodimus.
deathy wrote:Robo Freak & Burn,
amtm wrote the following sentence in his reply above.
AMTM wrote: "If every Masterpiece were as solid as Prime, and as reasonably priced as Skywarp ($60 originally, $30 on clearance), I'd buy them all."
This sentence written by amtm CLEARLY implies he doesn't own all the MP TF toys.
deathy wrote:Honestly,forming a opinion on things not ownned & not played with makes ZERO sense.
deathy wrote:This isn't fact it's a opinion.
You appear to not even own all 5 new mold MP TF toys released thus far.
Honestly,forming a opinion on things not ownned & not played with makes ZERO sense.
joesaysso wrote:As an innocent bystander, on the outside looking in at this thread, I would like to say; from page 1 until now, this is absolutely one of the stupidest threads I have ever read in any forum that I have ever been in. Ever.
Firstly, it was an opinionated question from the get-go. However, it was clear from the very second post of the thread that the OP was not going to respect or allow anybody else's opinion but his own because he responded aggressively against the very first response that went against his opinion. Those of you who contributed to this thread after that only encouraged and escalated this atrocity of a thread.
Secondly, arguing over Australian economy and laws is so stupidly off-topic to the original question that its ridiculous. The original topic boils down to a simple yes or no question. "Would you be happy if Hasbro did this........?" Yes or no? Some of you may have convinced yourself that this is part of the main point but I assure you, if you are talking about Austrailian taxes, you've gone too far off the course.
Thirdly, Deathy arguing that its "quality over quantity" is insinuating that there is no "quality" in any of the other lines. This is utterly absurd. Why anybody even responded to any of his posts beyond the opening one is beyond me. The topic itself, while slightly thought provoking, is dumb. Why? Because no collector wants less of what they collect. Why collect it then? Deathy says that he "doesn't collect transformers to fill a room" then why does he collect? Nobody collects transformers to fill a room. They buy what they like and the room filling up naturally happens as a ripple effect of the collecting. Eventually Deathy, one of your rooms would fill up if Hasbro made all of those MPs on your list in the beginning and you bought them all.
Fourthly, I love a good argument as much as the next person. Believe me, I love to argue. But I like to argue with valid points and actually possible scenarios. Sadly, there isn't one valid point in anything you people are debating. First of all, again, the original topic is stupid. And its not stupid because I think its stupid. No, its stupid because it isn't practical for anybody involved and can't feasibly happen under any circumstances that weren't strictly hypothetical. Its not practical for Has/Tak to produce 10 MPs a year. Its not practical for stores to stock 10 MPs a year, and its not practical for 7 year old kids to buy 10 MPs a year. Anybody who wastes their time arguing for this scenario is dumb. And anybody who argues with the idiot who argues for this scenario is also dumb.
Allow me to demonstrate for you all how this thread should have gone:
Deathy: What if hasbro/takara just released 10 MP TF toys per year & that's it,would you be happy or upset?
Joe: I would be very displeased.
Deathy: Why? MPs are so awesome! I love them. I'd rather have 10 awesome transformers a year than a bunch of junky, simple ones. You don't want that?
Joe: MPs are awesome, yeah. I'd love that! But I also enjoy the simplicity and diversity that the other lines provide to my collection. Its kind of cool that the classics provide a nice contrast to the MPs while almost looking like they could be in the same line. It really makes my collection look great.
Deathy: Well, I don't collect transformers to fill a room.
Joe: Neither do I. I believe in quality over quantity too. Thats why I buy only the ones that I really enjoy. The filling of the room kind of happens on its own. You don't think that you'll eventually have enough MPs to fill a room?
Deathy: Well.........touchee........
Joe: ............
Deathy: But what if Austrailia put tax breaks on the companies who made and sold the toys so they were cheaper? What about it then?
Joe: What?
Deathy: I don't know.
You are all welcome for that performance. Now really, there is nothing more to be said on this topic. I fear we all have lost some intelligence quotient for participating in this thread. Some of us cannot afford to lose much more. Lets go all go back to our holes until somebody finds a topic that people can actually argue smartly about.
deathy wrote:Joe,your recap of the thread is way off & way oppossite.
Here's how it went down step by step:
I asked would various TF fans like 10 MP TF toys per year.
In the beginning of the thread most stated the prices were too high.
I then said only if your buying the takara versions. the hasbro versions are about the price of AEC leaders & supreme sized TF toys.
Then someone took the thread off track by mentioning austrailian prices.
I stated this wasn't hasbro/takara fault,as hasbro sells these MP toys to austraila for cheap.
Eventually the thread went back on track.
for a few pages,their was a interesting debate on quanity verses quality. some preferred to grab a whole room full of cheaper priced smaller TF toys. while others were more selective & prefered to go with higher quality TF toys in less volume units.
Then some were giving experience opinions based on TF MP toys they never played with.
I stated my opinion on that matter.
thee end.
deathy wrote:I wasn't trying to argue in this thread & shoot everyone's idea down.
since this is a discussion board. I figured I'd do a little debatting within the thread.
deathy wrote:might I add that Joe did insult me a few times in this thread. by calling me & this thread stupid almost a dozen times.
deathy wrote:their were also other demeanig & insulting words joe used in this thread in his reply.
deathy wrote:Sorry,If I upset everyone in this thread,it wasn't my intent. I'll be leaving this forum for a while & i'll post elsewhere.
deathy wrote:might I add that Joe did insult me a few times in this thread. by calling me & this thread stupid almost a dozen times.
joesaysso wrote:Man, was that all. I was aiming for a lot more. I should have proof-read better.
alternator77 wrote:INSPITE OF THE BICKERING ON HERE LETS BE REAL.
AT 250 FOR SLEEP CONVOY AND 200 RODIMUS AND NOW 250 FOR A REMOLD OF MP PRIME THEY ARE SLOWLY PRICING OUT ALOT OF COLLECTORS. SURE THERE WILL BE COMPLETIONISTS OUT THERE BUT THE MAJORITY OF US MYSELF INCLUDED ARE CASUAL ABOUT THE MP LINE IN THAT I DONT OWN THE BLK PRIME/ GREENSCREAM/SLEEP/MP-4/RODIMUS OR COMIC GRIMLOCK.
THAT SAID THE ONES I DO OWN 7 TOTAL ARE GREAT NOT FANTASTIC JUST GREAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
sorry i forgot to turn off the caps lock didnt mean to yell
deathy wrote:alternator77 wrote:INSPITE OF THE BICKERING ON HERE LETS BE REAL.
AT 250 FOR SLEEP CONVOY AND 200 RODIMUS AND NOW 250 FOR A REMOLD OF MP PRIME THEY ARE SLOWLY PRICING OUT ALOT OF COLLECTORS. SURE THERE WILL BE COMPLETIONISTS OUT THERE BUT THE MAJORITY OF US MYSELF INCLUDED ARE CASUAL ABOUT THE MP LINE IN THAT I DONT OWN THE BLK PRIME/ GREENSCREAM/SLEEP/MP-4/RODIMUS OR COMIC GRIMLOCK.
THAT SAID THE ONES I DO OWN 7 TOTAL ARE GREAT NOT FANTASTIC JUST GREAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
sorry i forgot to turn off the caps lock didnt mean to yell
Those high MP TF Prices only are for those buying the Takara version.
The hasbro MP TF Versions (in america) are way cheaper in price.
My solid "GUESS" is Hasbro will sell both MP-09 Rodimus & MP-10 Optimus without their trailers. My "GUESS" is the price (in america) for both toys will be under $60. With all the sales that USA retail stores offer,The average internet TF fan will pay under $50 for each MP TF Hasbro version toy.
Personally paying around $50 to $60 isn't a bad nor high price to pay for a 9.5 inch robot mode. usually a 9.5 robot mode is considered a AEC $39.99 leader sized TF toy height. paying like $10 extra for a MP TF hasbro toy isn't a bad deal. considering one is getting more accessories,more accurate updated homage design. diecast metal parts,more poseability & higher toy engineering.
alternator77 wrote:deathy wrote:alternator77 wrote:INSPITE OF THE BICKERING ON HERE LETS BE REAL.
AT 250 FOR SLEEP CONVOY AND 200 RODIMUS AND NOW 250 FOR A REMOLD OF MP PRIME THEY ARE SLOWLY PRICING OUT ALOT OF COLLECTORS. SURE THERE WILL BE COMPLETIONISTS OUT THERE BUT THE MAJORITY OF US MYSELF INCLUDED ARE CASUAL ABOUT THE MP LINE IN THAT I DONT OWN THE BLK PRIME/ GREENSCREAM/SLEEP/MP-4/RODIMUS OR COMIC GRIMLOCK.
THAT SAID THE ONES I DO OWN 7 TOTAL ARE GREAT NOT FANTASTIC JUST GREAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
sorry i forgot to turn off the caps lock didnt mean to yell
Those high MP TF Prices only are for those buying the Takara version.
The hasbro MP TF Versions (in america) are way cheaper in price.
My solid "GUESS" is Hasbro will sell both MP-09 Rodimus & MP-10 Optimus without their trailers. My "GUESS" is the price (in america) for both toys will be under $60. With all the sales that USA retail stores offer,The average internet TF fan will pay under $50 for each MP TF Hasbro version toy.
Personally paying around $50 to $60 isn't a bad nor high price to pay for a 9.5 inch robot mode. usually a 9.5 robot mode is considered a AEC $39.99 leader sized TF toy height. paying like $10 extra for a MP TF hasbro toy isn't a bad deal. considering one is getting more accessories,more accurate updated homage design. diecast metal parts,more poseability & higher toy engineering.
ihear where your coming from my concern is that if that is all hastak produce they wouldnt do very well even at that price point megatron will never be sold in a retail
store until the laws change and last time i checked magnus never came stateside. also although grimlock did ok theyre still trying to line up a retailer for rodimus being that hes an exclusive. on a personal note i would not want them to focus on mp's only think about it this way ive purchased my nephew 3 mp's all us releases but those are the only ones he likes out of the entire line on the other hand hes spent triple that on classics/movie/pcc stuff over the last 2 years. again it comes back to the kids as hes 8 years old.
keep in mind the hasbro release of grimlock had NOWHERE NEAR the amount of accesories as mp-8 also of note the only mp's with diecast are grimlock,and the prime molds.again dont get me wrong ive often fantasized about having a wall full of mp's in package but ive got to get what works in my collection and with their size its too much since ive already got a room full of them.
alternator77 wrote:while only partly true mp prime at his original us release was $100 BECAUSE of the diecast the only reason the newer versions are cheaper is the lack of diecast.pins and screws dont really count as diecast imo if that were the case every tf with a pin or screw would be considered die cast.
this will be my last post on this topic as im not a fan of this back and forth point for point discussion to increase someones post count. sorry but thats my feeling on this subject.
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