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Cormaster628 wrote:

Yes I have seen the film, you just didn't notice that Cornmaster had asked a second question, "How the hell did bumblebee get his legs back at the end of the movie?", and attacked my response, which was quite vaguely explained I admit, to that question in an inappropriate manner.

I don't remember attacking your response. Anyway I watched the end again, and I was wrong. Bumblebee was not fixed at the end of the battle. So it defeats the purpose of this thread anyway.

BTW the name is COR-Master, not Corn master. COR for Cory.

AH!!! I didn't mean you attacked me. I meant Primes-Destiny hadn't noticed your question & then she went on to attack my response. I thought that was clear, but on second reading it's not. My sincerest apologies.
As for the name, again I'm sorry. I'm dyslexic & tend to read what I think rather than what's there. It's ok when the thing I read is in context but usernames & such tend to escape me...[/u]

Burn wrote:

PRiMES┴DESTiNY wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

PRiMES┴DESTiNY wrote:BB's voice was fixed because of Ratchets treatment, the treatment finally took effect at the end of the movie.

It never stated that in the movie, though. It was just another thing the movie didn't explain.

no the movie did not, that is true. but robert orci, one of the writers did answer that question on this forum and from what i know from others, on other forums as well, and clarified that it was not the allspark that fixed his voice but in fact ratchet's treatment.

Yes but because it's NOT in the movie you can't say it's fact either.

Sure, the writer said that that's what happened, but we didn't see it.

If a tree falls in the forest and no one's there to hear it fall, did it still make a sound?

I still like my theory of psychological trauma. It gives depth to things plus even after Ratchet flashed his laser thing-a-me-jig at BB, BB still didn't speak until after the final battle was over.

i never said it was fact across the whole transformer universe board. im saying it's fact in regards to robert orci's version of the transformers. if the WRITER of the movie stated that it was ratchet's treatment, then who are we to argue with a writer and HIS STORY version aka the movie? do u feel what im saying? so,in his story he states that it was ratchet's treatment that eventually fixed his voice, then so be it. folks can say what they want to
believe and throw out theories until the sky turns hot pink, i could care less. im going by what robert orci, the WRITER said it is for this version of TF.




oh and by the way, i do like your whole idea of "psychological trauma." that would have been a good idea for the storyline and would have took it in a different direction.

Robinson wrote:

ultra tron wrote:

Robinson wrote:

ultra tron wrote:3. Wasn't starscream one of the jets in the airstrick against megatron and blackout?

starsream did shoot at megatron, but a diferent wave of f-22s killed Blackout.

And you know this for a fact how?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrar1zQ-Wqc

Hope it works, and watch starscream carefully....

I've seen the movie and the scene in particular, there is no conctrete proof that ss fired on megs, there are at least 8 jets at the start of the fights and we only see ss take out 3-4 of them. No real shot of ss firing on meg's.

Try 24 aka two squadrons. The second was the group ambushed by Screamer; o and he bugged out once the surprise of his attack wore off. No way he could have lasted very long if he'd tried to stick it out and fight em; there were just too many left even for him.

PRiMES┴DESTiNY wrote:i never said it was fact across the whole transformer universe board. im saying it's fact in regards to robert orci's version of the transformers. if the WRITER of the movie stated that it was ratchet's treatment, then who are we to argue with a writer and HIS STORY version aka the movie? do u feel what im saying? so,in his story he states that it was ratchet's treatment that eventually fixed his voice, then so be it. folks can say what they want to
believe and throw out theories until the sky turns hot pink, i could care less. im going by what robert orci, the WRITER said it is for this version of TF.

Was it in the novelisation? (I ask because I haven't read the novelisation)

Burn wrote:

PRiMES┴DESTiNY wrote:i never said it was fact across the whole transformer universe board. im saying it's fact in regards to robert orci's version of the transformers. if the WRITER of the movie stated that it was ratchet's treatment, then who are we to argue with a writer and HIS STORY version aka the movie? do u feel what im saying? so,in his story he states that it was ratchet's treatment that eventually fixed his voice, then so be it. folks can say what they want to
believe and throw out theories until the sky turns hot pink, i could care less. im going by what robert orci, the WRITER said it is for this version of TF.

Was it in the novelisation? (I ask because I haven't read the novelisation)

No, but then neither was Ratchet's laser to the throat

So if it's not in the book, if it's not in the comic, and it's not in the movie ... then it never happened.

Sure, the writer can say what he wants, but it essentially doesn't exist.

No, but neither was Ratchet's laser to the throat

Burn wrote:So if it's not in the book, if it's not in the comic, and it's not in the movie ... then it never happened.

Sure, the writer can say what he wants, but it essentially doesn't exist.

My how nice of you to ignore the better part of that statement

I didn't ignore it, I just didn't see your point about it.

It wasn't in the book, but it was in the movie. Therefore it happened.

And I don't see that laser as fixing BB's voice as BB still fails to talk afterwards and continues to communicate via radio.

No harm done on the name. It happens all the time. I wish I would of used one of my many TF names for my account but they were all taken and I'm out of ideas Typically I use Galvatron or Ultra Megatron

lodelco wrote:

Dark Zarak wrote:Don't forget my personal favorite:

Why the HELL did they go into the city????!!!!!


Oh and, bootleg? What's that my good sir? If it's something illegal, we don't do that sort of thing around here.

They were originally supposed to go to the airbase on the OTHER side of the city. I don't know why the hell it ended up being in the city though.

Why would you want to watch a bootleg version? Aside from being illegal, they are of bad quality and you'd still want the extras the DVD comes with.

those days of crappy vids are long dead in the past....there was a dvd rip of this before it was even in the theaters...thats what everyone keeps talking about when they say they have been watching it at home...im sure every capable trans fan has it burned on dvd already.

wish I could find that one. The bootleg I got sucks. misproportioned widescreem, german people taking in the background, a slight delay between the video and the audio (their mouths start moving before they talk). I just really can't wait for the movie to come to DVD, I'm buying it the first day.

As far as bootlegs go my thoughts are what are you supposed to do right now? I already saw the movie twice in theatres and I"m probably going to see it again, but until the DVD release the only way to watch it again and again is to download the bootleg.

Its not costing hasbro or the makers of the movie anything becaues like i said I'm buyign the DVD the day it comes out!

Cormaster628 wrote:Its not costing hasbro or the makers of the movie anything becaues like i said I'm buyign the DVD the day it comes out!

But you're watching it instead of going to the theatre and paying to see it.

So yes, it is costing them.

Burn wrote:I didn't ignore it, I just didn't see your point about it.

It wasn't in the book, but it was in the movie. Therefore it happened.

And I don't see that laser as fixing BB's voice as BB still fails to talk afterwards and continues to communicate via radio.

*Slaps Burn for being ignorent*
Unless of course the laser simply fixed it so that BB's own repair systems could repair the damage like Mr. Orici said.

Jar Axel wrote:

Burn wrote:I didn't ignore it, I just didn't see your point about it.

It wasn't in the book, but it was in the movie. Therefore it happened.

And I don't see that laser as fixing BB's voice as BB still fails to talk afterwards and continues to communicate via radio.

*Slaps Burn for being ignorent*
Unless of course the laser simply fixed it so that BB's own repair systems could repair the damage like Mr. Orici said.

**gives jar a big ol kiss** ( enjoy that kiss, i dont give em out on a constant basis. )

thank u for clarifying that! im glad im not alone in seeing that.

Jar Axel wrote:

Burn wrote:I didn't ignore it, I just didn't see your point about it.

It wasn't in the book, but it was in the movie. Therefore it happened.

And I don't see that laser as fixing BB's voice as BB still fails to talk afterwards and continues to communicate via radio.

*Slaps Burn for being ignorent*
Unless of course the laser simply fixed it so that BB's own repair systems could repair the damage like Mr. Orici said.

Ignorant? Perhaps if you'd explained yourself more clearly.

Sorry, but I read the prequel comics, Ratchet stated that he'd tried everything he could but couldn't fix his vocal circuits.

And now we're expected to believe that after so long he turns up on Earth, flips out a laser and hits BB with it and that it magically triggers BB's auto repair and this is based on "because the writer said so"?

Like I said, and it seems that YOU JA are being ignorant here, unless it happened in the comics, the novelisation or the movie it's self, then it didn't happen.

Look at it from the perspective of the average movie goer. They're not aware of the what the writer has said. They'll watch the movie and go "well he wasn't talking after being hit with the laser, and he wasn't talking after he touched the AllSpark, so who knows why he's suddenly talking!"

Burn wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:

Burn wrote:I didn't ignore it, I just didn't see your point about it.

It wasn't in the book, but it was in the movie. Therefore it happened.

And I don't see that laser as fixing BB's voice as BB still fails to talk afterwards and continues to communicate via radio.

*Slaps Burn for being ignorent*
Unless of course the laser simply fixed it so that BB's own repair systems could repair the damage like Mr. Orici said.

Ignorant? Perhaps if you'd explained yourself more clearly.

Sorry, but I read the prequel comics, Ratchet stated that he'd tried everything he could but couldn't fix his vocal circuits.

And now we're expected to believe that after so long he turns up on Earth, flips out a laser and hits BB with it and that it magically triggers BB's auto repair and this is based on "because the writer said so"?

Like I said, and it seems that YOU JA are being ignorant here, unless it happened in the comics, the novelisation or the movie it's self, then it didn't happen.

Look at it from the perspective of the average movie goer. They're not aware of the what the writer has said. They'll watch the movie and go "well he wasn't talking after being hit with the laser, and he wasn't talking after he touched the AllSpark, so who knows why he's suddenly talking!"

I'd like to point out it took them a LOOOOOOOONG time to get to earth.
Think of all the technological advancements we've made in the last 100 years alone. Now, times that by a lot & you've got yourself a cure for muteness ^^

(Also Ratchet wasn't even IN the prequel. It was in Bumblebee monologue (sp?) that he said that his voice wasn't repaired.)

Orci can say what ever he wants about what the intention of the laser could be, but since it was not said specifically in the movie that the laser fixed it then in reality there could be more factors than just "rachets laser". If it doesnt happen in the movie then its not movie canon, just like barricade, the comic says he died, the movie doesnt show that happen so for all intent and purposes barricade is still alive somewhere, as is scorponok.

Look at it from the perspective of the average movie goer. They're not aware of the what the writer has said. They'll watch the movie and go "well he wasn't talking after being hit with the laser, and he wasn't talking after he touched the AllSpark, so who knows why he's suddenly talking!"

Exactly. Sometimes you gotta not think like a fan and think about what might be going on in the head of the person next to you. The person that doesnt spend his weekends on a tf forum debating how a fictional robot suddenly managed to have his voicebox fixed.

Burn wrote:

Cormaster628 wrote:Its not costing hasbro or the makers of the movie anything becaues like i said I'm buyign the DVD the day it comes out!

But you're watching it instead of going to the theatre and paying to see it.

So yes, it is costing them.

I've paid to watch it twice, and I intend on paying to see it again, so no its not

Burn wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:

Burn wrote:I didn't ignore it, I just didn't see your point about it.

It wasn't in the book, but it was in the movie. Therefore it happened.

And I don't see that laser as fixing BB's voice as BB still fails to talk afterwards and continues to communicate via radio.

*Slaps Burn for being ignorent*
Unless of course the laser simply fixed it so that BB's own repair systems could repair the damage like Mr. Orici said.

Ignorant? Perhaps if you'd explained yourself more clearly.

Sorry, but I read the prequel comics, Ratchet stated that he'd tried everything he could but couldn't fix his vocal circuits.

And now we're expected to believe that after so long he turns up on Earth, flips out a laser and hits BB with it and that it magically triggers BB's auto repair and this is based on "because the writer said so"?

Like I said, and it seems that YOU JA are being ignorant here, unless it happened in the comics, the novelisation or the movie it's self, then it didn't happen.

Look at it from the perspective of the average movie goer. They're not aware of the what the writer has said. They'll watch the movie and go "well he wasn't talking after being hit with the laser, and he wasn't talking after he touched the AllSpark, so who knows why he's suddenly talking!"

Well you read it in the prequel comics? So what I read it in the book. How exactly does that change the movie where it is not said?

Looking at it from the perspective of the average movie goer:

1: Autorepair was discused in the movie
2: Ratchet says "I'm still working on it" then shoots BB's throat with the laser
3: In the movie when BB says "GOOoooo Sssaaamm" his mouth flap moves. Why exactly would that happen if he said it useing his radio?

So where's your evidence it didn't happen in the movie? Now remember the prequel comics don't count as evidence that something didn't happen in the movie.

PRiMES┴DESTiNY wrote:

Burn wrote:

PRiMES┴DESTiNY wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

PRiMES┴DESTiNY wrote:BB's voice was fixed because of Ratchets treatment, the treatment finally took effect at the end of the movie.

It never stated that in the movie, though. It was just another thing the movie didn't explain.

no the movie did not, that is true. but robert orci, one of the writers did answer that question on this forum and from what i know from others, on other forums as well, and clarified that it was not the allspark that fixed his voice but in fact ratchet's treatment.

Yes but because it's NOT in the movie you can't say it's fact either.

Sure, the writer said that that's what happened, but we didn't see it.

If a tree falls in the forest and no one's there to hear it fall, did it still make a sound?

I still like my theory of psychological trauma. It gives depth to things plus even after Ratchet flashed his laser thing-a-me-jig at BB, BB still didn't speak until after the final battle was over.

i never said it was fact across the whole transformer universe board. im saying it's fact in regards to robert orci's version of the transformers. if the WRITER of the movie stated that it was ratchet's treatment, then who are we to argue with a writer and HIS STORY version aka the movie? do u feel what im saying? so,in his story he states that it was ratchet's treatment that eventually fixed his voice, then so be it. folks can say what they want to
believe and throw out theories until the sky turns hot pink, i could care less. im going by what robert orci, the WRITER said it is for this version of TF.




oh and by the way, i do like your whole idea of "psychological trauma." that would have been a good idea for the storyline and would have took it in a different direction.

DUDE THEY ARE ROBOTS THEY CANT HAVE PHSYCOLOGICAL TRAUMA!!!!(hope i wrote it rite...)

I don't particularly care how Bumblebee was fixed, I just would've liked to have seen a little scene (maybe while Prime was talking) of him getting repaired. This is the second time we've been robbed of seeing Bumblebee get rebuilt. When he became Goldbug in the show, we knew he had been damaged, but didn't get to see it. He just gets up off the table and remarks on his awesome paint job. Paint job???? You just got injured so horribly you required a complete overhaul and you're happy about your PAINT JOB????

*end geek rambling*

Sonic Wing wrote:

PRiMES┴DESTiNY wrote:

Burn wrote:

PRiMES┴DESTiNY wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

PRiMES┴DESTiNY wrote:BB's voice was fixed because of Ratchets treatment, the treatment finally took effect at the end of the movie.

It never stated that in the movie, though. It was just another thing the movie didn't explain.

no the movie did not, that is true. but robert orci, one of the writers did answer that question on this forum and from what i know from others, on other forums as well, and clarified that it was not the allspark that fixed his voice but in fact ratchet's treatment.

Yes but because it's NOT in the movie you can't say it's fact either.

Sure, the writer said that that's what happened, but we didn't see it.

If a tree falls in the forest and no one's there to hear it fall, did it still make a sound?

I still like my theory of psychological trauma. It gives depth to things plus even after Ratchet flashed his laser thing-a-me-jig at BB, BB still didn't speak until after the final battle was over.

i never said it was fact across the whole transformer universe board. im saying it's fact in regards to robert orci's version of the transformers. if the WRITER of the movie stated that it was ratchet's treatment, then who are we to argue with a writer and HIS STORY version aka the movie? do u feel what im saying? so,in his story he states that it was ratchet's treatment that eventually fixed his voice, then so be it. folks can say what they want to
believe and throw out theories until the sky turns hot pink, i could care less. im going by what robert orci, the WRITER said it is for this version of TF.




oh and by the way, i do like your whole idea of "psychological trauma." that would have been a good idea for the storyline and would have took it in a different direction.

DUDE THEY ARE ROBOTS THEY CANT HAVE PHSYCOLOGICAL TRAUMA!!!!(hope i wrote it rite...)

But they are sentient and are able to have personalities as well as defining characterisitcs. Who say they cant have psychological trauma or an approximation of feelings of emotion?

Once again people are putting way to much thought into this movie, it is not meant nor was it ever meant to be overanalyzed as it has. The movie seriously loses its fun the more you try to pick apart every little nuance.


Btw you wrote "I hope I wrote it rite" wrong.

You can hold on to your "if it wasn't in the movie blah blah" argument as much as you want, but it's Orci's story, if he said thats what it did, even if it originally was not how it was *suppose* to work in the story, then that's how it happened. I suggest you accept it, and not get to caught up in the fantasy of what *really* happened.

P.s. listen to bumblebee after he fires that laser at him.

Cormaster628 wrote:I've paid to watch it twice, and I intend on paying to see it again, so no its not

Every time someone downloads (or is stupid enough to buy) a bootleg and watches it instead of going to the theatre, then yes, it costs the movie creators. Not sure why you can't see that ...

Jar Axel wrote:So what I read it in the book. How exactly does that change the movie where it is not said?

So it's in the book now? You said it wasn't in the book and that it was explained by Orci.

So what is it? In the book or not?

And it doesn't change the movie, it changes how people interpret it.

It's no secret that Barricade is taken out by Prime in the novel but it was left out of the movie.

But it still happened in one form. So therefore it's fact.

Just because the writer says it happened doesn't make it fact. Unless it's in the final released material be it comic, cartoon, movie, book adaption, collector cards or whatever else, then it's NOT fact.

Understanding my point yet?

1: Autorepair was discused in the movie

Which part? Can't say i've caught it.

2: Ratchet says "I'm still working on it" then shoots BB's throat with the laser

I took that as Ratchet teasing BB. I mean how many medics would go "still working on it" then treat the patient without warning? (That's just my personal interpretation, I will agree that it is the most logical of things to happen but for a non-fan they probably wouldn't have noticed it)

3: In the movie when BB says "GOOoooo Sssaaamm" his mouth flap moves. Why exactly would that happen if he said it useing his radio?

I can move my lips without speaking. Perhaps when he was studying Earth radio signals he studied Milli Vanili a little too much?

Sonic Wing wrote:DUDE THEY ARE ROBOTS THEY CANT HAVE PHSYCOLOGICAL TRAUMA!!!!

But it's okay for Prime to go "awwww Jazz" and mourn the loss of his comrade (albeit for 2 seconds) but they can't have serious head trauma?

Briggs wrote:You can hold on to your "if it wasn't in the movie blah blah" argument as much as you want, but it's Orci's story, if he said thats what it did, even if it originally was not how it was *suppose* to work in the story, then that's how it happened. I suggest you accept it, and not get to caught up in the fantasy of what *really* happened.

Sorry but I can't accept that. I'm not going to accept something just because the writer tells me too. Frankly if a writer has to go on message boards to explain his story then he obviously isn't a very good story teller then is he? Or perhaps he should have done a better job of conveying his story?

So no, I won't accept it "just because the writer said otherwise". What happened in the movie/comic/book is fact.

"Or perhaps he should have done a better job of conveying his story? "

Actually, in the same message he explained it should have been clearer, and he's right, but none the less, you can accept it, and eventually you will, because there is no other route to take, other then your own version of the story.