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Moonbase2 wrote:I am sticking with my statement that this is a WOMAN'S decision to make. And for the record, often it is the MAN that is pushing for an abortion. Look, whether you men like it or not, it's our ovaries, our uterus, our reproductive system. We should not be FORCED to give birth to a baby we don't want. Why would you wish that on a woman or a child? Accidents happen. If they didn't, we wouldn't need abortion.

Accidents? No. A child is not an accident. (considering you're a mother, such a statement coming from you, really worries me.) We don't actually *need* Abortion. If you look throughout history, long before the advent of today's sciences, people survived for millennia without Abortion. Was it easy? No. Still...humanity survived. *shakes head*

Moonbase2 wrote:It is also difficult to understand what is like to be in a woman's shoes when she is pregnant and doesn't want to be. I've been in those shoes. I understand those feelings. My situation was a LOT more favorable than many women out there. I had that baby and love the snot out of him, but for some women they can't even afford to care for them. And before you go calling a woman a murderer, maybe you should call out those men that aren't around to help raise these babies.

Ah, and there's the truth. That's why you think children are a mistake that Abortion can and should erase. Yet...you had more children after the first one. So...which is it? Do you love the children as you claim, or are they a mistake? You can't have both sides here. And you're right. Men should step up and be the daddy and the father. (Anyone can be a father, but it takes a real man to be someone's daddy.) However, there are cases where women have forced the man out of their life "I don't need no man to raise my child!" yet demand Child Support and screw the system.

Moonbase2 wrote:I know one person who has admitted to an abortion. Actually, she had kept her pregnancy a secret til she asked me to work for her on the day of her abortion. She was unmarried, with two kids, one of whom had down syndrome, and she was working at Subway. She and the father of her kids were barely hanging on by a thread. To her, abortion was the only choice, because they couldn't afford the baby. It is best for her family in this case. She did the abortion before the end of the first trimester. If you ARE going to get an abortion for purposes other than medical issues, it is best to do it then. And most women do it before the baby is viable, making partial birth abortion rare.

Now in a case such as this one, I could see the potential mercy in the Abortion. Especially if the child has detrimental health issues that guarantee no quality of life. But a lot of women don't do it for this purpose. A lot of women do it just because, or they think the child is a mistake.

You've said some dumb things, but this one takes the cake. How can you be a loving mother and say children are mistakes that can be erased with Abortion? Just like with the Friday Night/Plus Sized thread (where you claimed that because you can lose weight, everyone can, which isn't the case, and scientifically proven.) again...you put your foot all the way in your mouth and continue opening the yap without thinking. (At least I hope that's the case, but more likely you *are* thinking this through before you post it and that's what really bothers me.) Btw...how does one's ankle taste? You've gone well past the foot.

I am 100% pro-choice. Sometimes someone simply has no possible way, or desire, to properly take care of a child. Ever see someone that just makes you think "That person just doesn't deserve to be a mother?" More than likely, the person didn't want to be.
And people shouldn't be forced to live a life of suffering from a deformity you can never fix. It is crual to make someone grow up surrounded by people with infinitely better lives and futures than they could possibly have.

[quote="Autobot032
Ah, and there's the truth. That's why you think children are a mistake that Abortion can and should erase. Yet...you had more children after the first one. So...which is it? Do you love the children as you claim, or are they a mistake? You can't have both sides here. [/quote]

Of course you can have both sides! I was an unplanned mistake/accident, as are a fair number of people im willing to bet. Just becasue a child isnt planned , it dosnt mean that a parent cannot love them! Think about what you just said!

Thier are rules about abortions you know, like how old the baby can be before its aborted, if its over a certain number of weeks (not sure how many), it reaches the point where it "could" survive if born, at this point abortion of said baby become illegal. Differnt countrys have wildly differnt times though. Before this point the baby would not be able to survive outside the womb, and does therefore not count as a "proper" human, and abortion is legal.

I think that some women do abuse this system however, I used to know a girl who is only 19, yet has already had three abortions. Any child she did have and raise would be in a very poor state, so I dont know what the best thing to do in this case would be. They should ahve a limit or something perhaps.

However, it is not up to the whole public to decide if it should be allowed or not, its up to the individual woman and thier families to chose. Say a married woman gets raped and pregnant, how devastaing would it be, not just for her, but for her family if she had no choise but to have this baby?

I guess im pro, but it should only be allowed in certain cases, at the moment, I do think it may be too easy...

Tangent wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Ah, and there's the truth. That's why you think children are a mistake that Abortion can and should erase. Yet...you had more children after the first one. So...which is it? Do you love the children as you claim, or are they a mistake? You can't have both sides here.

Of course you can have both sides! I was an unplanned mistake/accident, as are a fair number of people im willing to bet. Just becasue a child isnt planned , it dosnt mean that a parent cannot love them! Think about what you just said!

Er...you just proved my point. There's a big difference between an unplanned pregnancy and calling a child an accident. Anyone can have an unplanned pregnancy, but the act of getting impregnated is the mistake. Not the child itself. (and yes, there is a difference.)

And you're right. An unplanned child *can* be loved. A child that's considered a mistake...can't really be loved. Now can they? How on Earth can anyone call their child a mistake and love them at the same time? Think about that.

Unplanned pregnancies can be difficult for sure, but they can also be blessings in disguise.

There is a difference. "Think about what you just said!" Follow your own advice.

And I'd hope you and your family consider you an unplanned pregnancy. If you were considered a mistake...well then I pity you and you deserve a whole lot better.

The Chaos Bringer wrote:And people shouldn't be forced to live a life of suffering from a deformity you can never fix.

People aren't forcing someone to live deformed-- that's what life hands them. Suicide's always open. What I find monstrous is to deny someone a life at all.

EDIT: Though I could advocate abortion for a few medical cases, like extreme cyclopia or anencephaly. Just wiki them. Really nasty stuff, of which one has no hope of even living through.

And just saying... adoption is always an option. It's not like you have a choice between killing your kid vs. having them live in poverty. For some reason, people always seem to ignore that one.

DesalationReborn wrote:

The Chaos Bringer wrote:And people shouldn't be forced to live a life of suffering from a deformity you can never fix.

People aren't forcing someone to live deformed-- that's what life hands them. Suicide's always open. What I find monstrous is to deny someone a life at all.

EDIT: Though I could advocate abortion for a few medical cases, like extreme cyclopia or anencephaly. Just wiki them. Really nasty stuff, of which one has no hope of even living through.

And just saying... adoption is always an option. It's not like you have a choice between killing your kid vs. having them live in poverty. For some reason, people always seem to ignore that one.

I've seen a kid who was bound to a wheelchair. He could not walk. He could not speak. He had only a few fingers and very limited control of them. He had no thumbs. Is suicide open to him? No. He cannot pick up a knife, gun or even a bottle of pills. And he cannot ask someone to do it for him. He is stuck with the life he has untill his dying day. Untill then, he has nothing to do. He cannot pick up a book. he cannot use a remote. he cannot pick up a toy. He cannot use a computer. He can't even pace around a room. He is stuck. He will never have any oppurtunities in life. He will always need someone to push him in a wheelchair. But he can't tell them where he wants to go. Pro-life advocates say he has to live this way untill he dies of old age. You say it would have been monsterous to deny him a life at all. But is it really life that death would have denied him of?

All right, for the sake of Autobot032, let's get this whole thing straight:

Big difference between an ACCIDENT and a MISTAKE. My second child was an "accident", meaning he was unplanned, but in no way is he a "mistake". Now! I hated the fact that I was pregnant for a number of reasons: my husband was going overseas for a year, leaving me pregnant and with a toddler to raise, I felt that he only wanted me to get pregnant so I wouldn't cheat on him, and our first child was still an infant when I became pregnant. Plus we didn't have the best house in the world. For me, abortion was not an option. At the time I was staunchly against it. But now that I've BEEN IN THOSE SHOES, I understand! See, that's something you possibly can't, my friend. You will never be pregnant.

You know, maybe I shouldn't talk about things I know NOTHING about. You know, like I had a weight problem and I stated that I worked my flipping ass off to lose just a few pounds? Or the fact that I've dealt with an unwanted pregnancy? Yeah, I'm too ignorant to know what the *#($ I'm talking about.

I don't think abortion is a suitable form of birth control. For one, it IS killing the fetus/embryo, and there are consequences both mental and emotional with that, and you bet most women have to deal with that FOREVER. Also, it is very hard on the body. Lastly, it is expensive. So a woman using abortion as birth control is a fool.

Oh, and the bit about my being a mother and thinking abortion is ok for some people, or saying that kids can be accidents (I don't think I ever called them mistakes)....it was my choice to give birth to my children. I was a stupid 19 year old and my husband was 20 when I got pregnant with my older boy. We had nothing, knew nothing. It was my choice, our choice, to have him. But for some women, they have much less, and raising a child with nothing is disasterous. And abortion has been around in some form for a long, long time, btw, and so has leaving babies to die. If people don't want kids, you cannot always force them to have them.

Lastly, just stop with the insults, ok? I get along with just about everyone on here, and just because you and I have differing opinions does not justify your insulting me. Maybe you have a problem with women or something. But please be civilized.

Loki120 wrote:

It seems that each one of you has valid points that I agree with. But I have to say that though church and state are "seperate" they influence each other. The law tries to control religion and religion continues to influence those who make the laws.

Considering that most laws are based on morals comprised of religious values, to totaly seperate church and state is never going to happen.

to go off on a tangent; just becuase a religion says killing is bad is the only reason you don't kill? i understand why it's bad to kill, and thus make the choice not to.


as to abortion, i think before 8 weeks it's absolutely fine, it's pretty much just vegetative matter, the earliest brain stem activity has been recorded is 55(? i think, i read the paper a long time ago) days and that's kinda why we make the distinction between embryo and foetus at this stage. and it's an important distinction.

as to abortion after this stage that's iffy, if the kids got tay-sachs, Anencephaly, or something like that, then i don't really see the point in keeping it alive, it depends on the severity of the defect.

in the case of rape (or accidental pregnancy), I hope the mother/victim (nd father) isn't going to take more than 8 weeks to decide whether she(/they) want/can have the kid or not.

itt may sound harsh but after 8 weeks, i really think adoption is the only answer.

Moonbase2 wrote:All right, for the sake of Autobot032, let's get this whole thing straight:

Big difference between an ACCIDENT and a MISTAKE. My second child was an "accident", meaning he was unplanned, but in no way is he a "mistake". Now! I hated the fact that I was pregnant for a number of reasons: my husband was going overseas for a year, leaving me pregnant and with a toddler to raise, I felt that he only wanted me to get pregnant so I wouldn't cheat on him, and our first child was still an infant when I became pregnant. Plus we didn't have the best house in the world. For me, abortion was not an option. At the time I was staunchly against it. But now that I've BEEN IN THOSE SHOES, I understand! See, that's something you possibly can't, my friend. You will never be pregnant.

You know, maybe I shouldn't talk about things I know NOTHING about. You know, like I had a weight problem and I stated that I worked my flipping ass off to lose just a few pounds? Or the fact that I've dealt with an unwanted pregnancy? Yeah, I'm too ignorant to know what the *#($ I'm talking about.

I don't think abortion is a suitable form of birth control. For one, it IS killing the fetus/embryo, and there are consequences both mental and emotional with that, and you bet most women have to deal with that FOREVER. Also, it is very hard on the body. Lastly, it is expensive. So a woman using abortion as birth control is a fool.

Oh, and the bit about my being a mother and thinking abortion is ok for some people, or saying that kids can be accidents (I don't think I ever called them mistakes)....it was my choice to give birth to my children. I was a stupid 19 year old and my husband was 20 when I got pregnant with my older boy. We had nothing, knew nothing. It was my choice, our choice, to have him. But for some women, they have much less, and raising a child with nothing is disasterous. And abortion has been around in some form for a long, long time, btw, and so has leaving babies to die. If people don't want kids, you cannot always force them to have them.

Lastly, just stop with the insults, ok? I get along with just about everyone on here, and just because you and I have differing opinions does not justify your insulting me. Maybe you have a problem with women or something. But please be civilized.

I personally don't believe that a pregnancy can ever be an accident, but I could not agree more that you cannot force someone to be a parent if they don't want to be or aren't ready. I also agree that you shouldn't argue with someone who has been in those shoes and understands.
That's why I'm so pro-choice. All those politicians that try to ban abortions haven't been in those shoes and so I really feel that they should have no say on the issue.

Everyone, please don't get the impression that I believe abortion is a good thing! I'm not saying, oops, you screwed up, now go abort! Absolutely not. I'm saying, you have to decide for yourself, after much deliberation, if you can live with your decision and if the father is adamant about it one way or another, you should consider his input as well...but the woman does make the final choice. The option should be available, that is all. But the actual use of abortion should be SPARSE.

As for the disease part....finding out your baby's condition is incompatable with life or that he/she will have a debilitating disease is devastating enough. Having to make this choice only compounds the pain. But in some cases, it is the humane thing to do. I myself may be dealing with a potentially debilitating condition and I would never wish my baby to be born disabled or in horrific pain.

Tammuz wrote:to go off on a tangent; just becuase a religion says killing is bad is the only reason you don't kill? i understand why it's bad to kill, and thus make the choice not to.

Words cannot express how...utterly bad some people's comprehenison skills really are.

What I said was this...

Considering that most laws are based on morals comprised of religious values, to totaly seperate church and state is never going to happen.

at which point yet another person with poor comprehension skills said virtually the same thing that I refined it with this...

Loki120 wrote:

skippytron wrote:you dont need to be religious to have moral values.
you can be be responsible for your own values. i dont think that statement is very valid.

I didn't say you needed to be religious to have moral value, I said the laws were stemmed from them. Murder, theft, etc are all basic principles brought on by the ten commandments, which early lawmakers took more to heart then people in the modern age. This is why there were ten commandments in courthouses across the country, until they were removed.

At what point did I EVER say that it was okay to kill if it wasn't covered under religion? Do you guys honestly read the posts before you respond, or is just because the word religion came up it instantly has to be slammed by a negative comment?

Moonbase2 wrote:I am sticking with my statement that this is a WOMAN'S decision to make. And for the record, often it is the MAN that is pushing for an abortion. Look, whether you men like it or not, it's our ovaries, our uterus, our reproductive system. We should not be FORCED to give birth to a baby we don't want. Why would you wish that on a woman or a child? Accidents happen. If they didn't, we wouldn't need abortion.

It is also difficult to understand what is like to be in a woman's shoes when she is pregnant and doesn't want to be. I've been in those shoes. I understand those feelings. My situation was a LOT more favorable than many women out there. I had that baby and love the snot out of him, but for some women they can't even afford to care for them. And before you go calling a woman a murderer, maybe you should call out those men that aren't around to help raise these babies.

I know one person who has admitted to an abortion. Actually, she had kept her pregnancy a secret til she asked me to work for her on the day of her abortion. She was unmarried, with two kids, one of whom had down syndrome, and she was working at Subway. She and the father of her kids were barely hanging on by a thread. To her, abortion was the only choice, because they couldn't afford the baby. It is best for her family in this case. She did the abortion before the end of the first trimester. If you ARE going to get an abortion for purposes other than medical issues, it is best to do it then. And most women do it before the baby is viable, making partial birth abortion rare.

That same selfish "its my body Ill do what I want" attitude can easily be turned on you when a man says "its my wallet, i made this money, ill pay for what I want if I want." But that surely wouldnt be fair now would it?

The man created half that child. He has a say in what happens to his creation too. Women sure like to say it takes two to make a baby when they want child care, but oh, its only her decision when she wants to kill it.

That is so easy for you to say-- if you're a man. Are you the one carrying the pregnancy? Will you be dealing with that day to day, and be the one giving birth? As the man, if you and the woman were to break up (assuming you are a couple) would you be the one assuming a primary caregiving role? The answer to these questions is no. Selfish or not, it is the woman's body. Since it is our burden to bear, it is our decision to make. I amended what I said when I noted that a man's input should be heavily considered, but the decision should not be based on that alone. A woman must make that ultimate choice. And most stories I've heard about abortion, the man was pushing for it. Usually it doesn't happen when the couple is married and stable. It usually happens when the mother and father aren't together, the mother is very young, or the baby is deformed in some way.

As for the "it's my money" deal, yeah, some guys do use that. I've heard it myself. If men have that attitude, they should take care of all the finances, buy the groceries, pay all the bills, etc. Women are the ones that usually take care of that, and if it isn't "their" money, men should assume those responsibilities. But men can't assume a pregnancy, can they?

Moonbase2 wrote:All right, for the sake of Autobot032, let's get this whole thing straight:

Big difference between an ACCIDENT and a MISTAKE. My second child was an "accident", meaning he was unplanned, but in no way is he a "mistake". Now! I hated the fact that I was pregnant for a number of reasons: my husband was going overseas for a year, leaving me pregnant and with a toddler to raise, I felt that he only wanted me to get pregnant so I wouldn't cheat on him, and our first child was still an infant when I became pregnant. Plus we didn't have the best house in the world. For me, abortion was not an option. At the time I was staunchly against it. But now that I've BEEN IN THOSE SHOES, I understand! See, that's something you possibly can't, my friend. You will never be pregnant.

You know, maybe I shouldn't talk about things I know NOTHING about. You know, like I had a weight problem and I stated that I worked my flipping ass off to lose just a few pounds? Or the fact that I've dealt with an unwanted pregnancy? Yeah, I'm too ignorant to know what the *#($ I'm talking about.

I don't think abortion is a suitable form of birth control. For one, it IS killing the fetus/embryo, and there are consequences both mental and emotional with that, and you bet most women have to deal with that FOREVER. Also, it is very hard on the body. Lastly, it is expensive. So a woman using abortion as birth control is a fool.

Oh, and the bit about my being a mother and thinking abortion is ok for some people, or saying that kids can be accidents (I don't think I ever called them mistakes)....it was my choice to give birth to my children. I was a stupid 19 year old and my husband was 20 when I got pregnant with my older boy. We had nothing, knew nothing. It was my choice, our choice, to have him. But for some women, they have much less, and raising a child with nothing is disasterous. And abortion has been around in some form for a long, long time, btw, and so has leaving babies to die. If people don't want kids, you cannot always force them to have them.

Lastly, just stop with the insults, ok? I get along with just about everyone on here, and just because you and I have differing opinions does not justify your insulting me. Maybe you have a problem with women or something. But please be civilized.

I never started with insults until you insulted my intelligence and started speaking for me and others. (The weight loss issue, another thread) No matter how things worked out for you, it doesn't always do the same for another person. No matter how much sunshine you blow up someone's ass with your opinion and set of facts (that apply to you and your life), they do not always work for everyone else! You are not the end all, be all of an issue! Just because you think things should be one way, doesn't mean that's how it actually should be! I wish you'd get that. It's a really unattractive trait. You could get that, but you're not willing to. That's one reason you and I have a problem.

The second reason you and I have a problem is I respect the fact that you have an opinion, and your right to it. I don't respect the opinion itself, considering the things you've said that came before it, or in the middle of it. And the same goes for you on your end looking at my posts and opinions. We're going to have to realize that there are certain things (but not all!) that we will never see eye to eye on, and agree to disagree. If not for us, for the board's sake.

The third reason I have a problem with you is statements like this: "Maybe you have a problem with women or something. But please be civilized." You have no right to say such a thing.
1.) I respect women.
2.) I respect mothers especially.
3.) I have a girlfriend who I love dearly and she loves me in return.

And yes, I realize, you're about to say "Well you said I don't love my kid" etc, etc. I was incorrect for saying such a thing. I fully admit I was wrong in that. However, I still stand by the fact that there is a difference between accidental pregnancies and calling children mistakes. (Yes, I already read that you can differentiate between the two, according to the first part of the quoted post of your's.) You certainly gave the impression that children could be seen as mistakes in your eyes, given the correct set of circumstances. Coming from a mother, that bothered me. Again, I was incorrect on your true feelings, and again I apologize.

And you have the nerve to say I'm not being civilized? (which *is* what you're saying when you posted that) I have been nothing but.

I could be a ranting, raving lunatic, screaming and yelling at you, calling you every word in the book, etc. I've done none of that. Vehemently disagreed? Yes. Uncivil? No.

And from this point on...I will agree to disagree (no matter what the topic is.) if we see that we're just butting heads, it's better for the both of us to just say "Look, think what you want, I'll think how I want. Now let's just move on." and I think that would be best.

If you want to converse in general, that's fine. If we agree on something, that's fine. If we disagree with something, that's fine as well...but we need to make sure we don't cross this territory again.

Look, I understand that some issues are sensitive, and the whole debacle about the weight thing was the worst. I presented my story and what I thought, and you had yours. There is almost no more a personal issue than one's weight. I acknowledge that for some it is EXTREMELY difficult to lose weight, but we shouldn't give up on ourselves by saying it is impossible.

I appreciate your apology. I do feel you have some kind of issue with women. As a woman I can pick up on these things. I've been singled out a bit here by you, and I'm one of few women on here. Or perhaps you just have a problem with me. You seem to think that I don't use my brain, that I put my foot (or hell, my leg even) in my mouth. Look, those are your opinions. You don't have to agree with mine. I love a good debate as much as anyone, but we shouldn't be disrespectful. I understand that most of this stems from that ridiculous weight discussion, and I never meant to "insult your intelligence" or push my ideas on you. Or blow sunshine or rainbows up anyone's ass. My life is far from a ray of sunshine, and I have no intention of insulting anyone. So I'm sorry I did.

Moonbase2 wrote:I do feel you have some kind of issue with women. As a woman I can pick up on these things. I've been singled out a bit here by you, and I'm one of few women on here. Or perhaps you just have a problem with me. And I have no intention of insulting anyone. So I'm sorry I did.

Really? You did it again just now. I do not have an issue with women! How many times do I have to tell you this?! Women in general are not a problem. Watch yourself with that mouth of your's. THIS! THIS IS WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT *YOU*! You always have to have the last word and have something to say. You could just leave things be, but no...just as soon as the nest starts to calm down, you poke it with a giant stick to get it started again.

You're right. You are my only female problem because you keep doing this crap! I get along with women just fine, almost all of my MySpace friends are female for example. Women do not bother me. *YOU* do.

I don't like how you present yourself on here. I could care less whether or not there's a woman behind all of that. Unfortunately for me...you're going to think otherwise because you happen to be a woman. It simply isn't the case.

And I'm so sick and tired of your comments about the weight thing. I never gave up on myself. I know many others who haven't. Yet they still can't lose weight. SCIENCE HAS PROVEN THAT GENETICS, THYROID, DISEASE, MENTAL ILLNESSES ALL AFFECT WEIGHT ISSUES! WHICH HINDERS SOME PEOPLE'S ABILITIES TO LOSE WEIGHT! YOU *CAN* SEE IT, YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO!

THAT! THAT IS MY PROBLEM WITH YOU! I COULD CARE LESS THAT YOU'RE FEMALE, MALE, HERMAPHRODITE, ALIEN, WHATEVER!

GAH! THIS IS WHAT YOU MAKE ME DO:

Autobot032 wrote:

Moonbase2 wrote:I do feel you have some kind of issue with women. As a woman I can pick up on these things. I've been singled out a bit here by you, and I'm one of few women on here. Or perhaps you just have a problem with me. And I have no intention of insulting anyone. So I'm sorry I did.

Really? You did it again just now. I do not have an issue with women! How many times do I have to tell you this?! Women in general are not a problem. Watch yourself with that mouth of your's. THIS! THIS IS WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT *YOU*! You always have to have the last word and have something to say. You could just leave things be, but no...just as soon as the nest starts to calm down, you poke it with a giant stick to get it started again.

You're right. You are my only female problem because you keep doing this crap! I get along with women just fine, almost all of my MySpace friends are female for example. Women do not bother me. *YOU* do.

I don't like how you present yourself on here. I could care less whether or not there's a woman behind all of that. Unfortunately for me...you're going to think otherwise because you happen to be a woman. It simply isn't the case.

And I'm so sick and tired of your comments about the weight thing. I never gave up on myself. I know many others who haven't. Yet they still can't lose weight. SCIENCE HAS PROVEN THAT GENETICS, THYROID, DISEASE, MENTAL ILLNESSES ALL AFFECT WEIGHT ISSUES! WHICH HINDERS SOME PEOPLE'S ABILITIES TO LOSE WEIGHT! YOU *CAN* SEE IT, YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO!

THAT! THAT IS MY PROBLEM WITH YOU! I COULD CARE LESS THAT YOU'RE FEMALE, MALE, HERMAPHRODITE, ALIEN, WHATEVER!

GAH! THIS IS WHAT YOU MAKE ME DO:

Qft! And this whole thread is not about weight, though you are right. Genetics and thyroid seriously affect weight gain/loss. And why does it seem that when you disagree with a female she thinks "you have problems with women?"

Toyotus Superion wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Moonbase2 wrote:I do feel you have some kind of issue with women. As a woman I can pick up on these things. I've been singled out a bit here by you, and I'm one of few women on here. Or perhaps you just have a problem with me. And I have no intention of insulting anyone. So I'm sorry I did.

Really? You did it again just now. I do not have an issue with women! How many times do I have to tell you this?! Women in general are not a problem. Watch yourself with that mouth of your's. THIS! THIS IS WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT *YOU*! You always have to have the last word and have something to say. You could just leave things be, but no...just as soon as the nest starts to calm down, you poke it with a giant stick to get it started again.

You're right. You are my only female problem because you keep doing this crap! I get along with women just fine, almost all of my MySpace friends are female for example. Women do not bother me. *YOU* do.

I don't like how you present yourself on here. I could care less whether or not there's a woman behind all of that. Unfortunately for me...you're going to think otherwise because you happen to be a woman. It simply isn't the case.

And I'm so sick and tired of your comments about the weight thing. I never gave up on myself. I know many others who haven't. Yet they still can't lose weight. SCIENCE HAS PROVEN THAT GENETICS, THYROID, DISEASE, MENTAL ILLNESSES ALL AFFECT WEIGHT ISSUES! WHICH HINDERS SOME PEOPLE'S ABILITIES TO LOSE WEIGHT! YOU *CAN* SEE IT, YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO!

THAT! THAT IS MY PROBLEM WITH YOU! I COULD CARE LESS THAT YOU'RE FEMALE, MALE, HERMAPHRODITE, ALIEN, WHATEVER!

GAH! THIS IS WHAT YOU MAKE ME DO:

Qft! And this whole thread is not about weight, though you are right. Genetics and thyroid seriously affect weight gain/loss. And why does it seem that when you disagree with a female she thinks "you have problems with women?"

I don't know, but it seems to be a prevalent train of thought. =\ I showed this thread to a female friend and she just kinda gave me a sad look.

Autobotwhatever, here's MY problem with YOU.

It's your condescending, scolding-a-small-child-like tone that you use with me that I think is total bullshit. YOU are the ONLY person on this entire flipping website that has any kind of problem with me. Why don't you go ask Tommy Tek or Liege Evilmus what they think of me? I get along with just about everyone....it's you, with your over-easily offended nature that is the problem here. Stop blowing up with the drop of a f*cking pin!

If you have such a huge problem with me, you sad person, than stop talking to me. Just resist! And guess what? I was not the only one with an opposing viewpoint about the weight issue, bud! Yet who did you target your rage on? Me.

You see, maybe I "insulted your intelligence", ok, but I never used the language you use with me, telling me to shut my "yap" or whatever. I didn't blow up with the slightest bit of conflict. In the future, if I bother you so, so, so much, then please, reply to someone else's comments.

EDIT: I had some comments in here about the weight issue, but I'm done. You have your opinion on that, I have mine. It's over.

Moonbase2 wrote:Autobotwhatever, here's MY problem with YOU.

It's your condescending, scolding-a-small-child-like tone that you use with me that I think is total bullshit. YOU are the ONLY person on this entire flipping website that has any kind of problem with me. Why don't you go ask Tommy Tek or Liege Evilmus what they think of me? I get along with just about everyone....it's you, with your over-easily offended nature that is the problem here. Stop blowing up with the drop of a f*cking pin!

If you have such a huge problem with me, you sad person, than stop talking to me. Just resist! And guess what? I was not the only one with an opposing viewpoint about the weight issue, bud! Yet who did you target your rage on? Me.

You see, maybe I "insulted your intelligence", ok, but I never used the language you use with me, telling me to shut my "yap" or whatever. I didn't blow up with the slightest bit of conflict. In the future, if I bother you so, so, so much, then please, reply to someone else's comments.

EDIT: I had some comments in here about the weight issue, but I'm done. You have your opinion on that, I have mine. It's over.

See...you keep posting again and again and again. You never let anything drop. In fact, you took this crap to another thread (that had nothing to do with it) keeping the crap going. You're trying to instigate and I won't have it. We've already gotten into a harsh dialog here, but I won't follow your lead onto another thread. And of course Liege Evilmus and Tommy Tek would say nice things about you. You gave away free toys, I wouldn't expect them to say something nasty about you. And apparently I'm not the only one who disagrees with you...I've received IMs stating that you were a troublemaker in other people's eyes. So it's not just me. You call me confrontational, tell me I have a stick up my ass, etc. What about you? You sit around on your high horse like a know it all and when people have a difference of opinion with you, you make scenes here and in other threads that have nothing to do with what's going on here. That's immature and ridiculous.

You say that I'm your only problem on this board (not true), and that I dislike you, yada, yada, yada. Your first problem is you. I get along with a lot of people on here and I've had plenty of conversations through PMs, IMs, etc. (I even had to clean out my PM box so new ones could come through.)

You're right. You and I won't get along, and I admit I'm a hard person to deal with, I won't back down. But I'll admit when I'm wrong...you never really do. Otherwise you wouldn't continue with this crap.

Give it a rest.

This seriously needs to stop before the mods lock this thread. This argument is just getting more and more personal and less and less about the actual issue. Both sides should just drop it and continue like nothing ever happened.

I'm done with it. He is as difficult and stubborn as I am. And those guys may like me because I gave away free toys, but I have also made other friends that I haven't given squat to.

I don't know what "trouble" I've caused elsewhere, and I really don't care. I get along with the majority, and you're (Autobot032) the only one I've had any real rows with. But I think, if neither of us can let anything go (face it dude, you are as bad as I am!!) then we shouldn't talk about anything but Transformers and non-sensitive issues. We are, truth be told, here for the common love of Transformers, and these threads are here as a bonus. I don't let things become personal, but you do. And that is YOUR problem, man. So I won't discuss these types of things with you any more, at least not until we can both be civil.

I would love to start over completely, and am willing to let all of this drop forever, if you are willing to do the same, Autobot032. I hate it when people don't like me, even if they are strangers. Maybe I don't help matters, since I'm a stubborn bastard, but I've got feelings, too. If you never want to talk to me again, that's ok. I don't really know you. But I'm willing to let all this toxic sh*t go.

It's better to just post "I quite" than give a last horrah letter, then settle it in the PMS-- cause, if not, you'll always see something to counter, always want to get the final word here, and it will never end.

As an aside, I didn't forget to respond to anything-- jest been busy as hell-- speaking of which, did that second to last post of mine ever get a rebuttal?

OK guys, this needs to settle down a bit. The Philosopher Forum is for DISCUSSION not childish bickering. Please don't make me lock my own thread.

Professor Smooth wrote:OK guys, this needs to settle down a bit. The Philosopher Forum is for DISCUSSION not childish bickering. Please don't make me lock my own thread.

All of this was already handled by Neko. There's absolutely no reason for you to come in here, days after it's died down and stoke the fire with a comment like this.

What really was the point of this? To exert your power over us and the thread? (No, not being sarcastic, I'm literally asking a legitimate question because I'm seriously confused. I mean you had to have seen when the last few posts were made, and realize it's been dead for about two days...)