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Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby UltraPrimal » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:30 am

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What do you think? Can the hardest, toughest, unbreakable, indestructible metal known in fiction stand up to a light saber? A weapon that supposedly can cut through anything like it wasn't even there.

I foresee a number of possibilities.
1. Light saber cuts adamantium.
2. Adamantium stops light saber.
3. Adamantium heats up and melts when light saber is continuous pushed against it.
4. Adamantium bends/deflects light saber.
5. Light saber passes through Adamantium without damaging it.
6. Universe explodes.
7. Pants explode.

Feel free to think of your own possibilities.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Burn » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:46 am

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Light sabers aren't that great.

Mandalorian Iron can stop them, as can some Vong armour.

I doubt Adamantium is as strong as Mandalorian or Vong metal, so i'm going to go out on a limb and say that while it would SLOW a LS down, it wouldn't stop it.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Name_Violation » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:57 pm

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also cyclops' eye beams have melted/cut threw adamantium. so i think it would severly slow down a LS but ultimately (after a while) a LS would cut threw it
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Bloodlust » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:39 pm

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Adamantium would melt on contact with a lightsaber.

I think a beam of pure plasma energy would utterly defeat any metal out there.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Blurrz » Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:21 am

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Yeah... Light Sabers cut through... just about everything, even Adamantium.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Lastjustice » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:50 pm

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Depends on the type of adamantium, as theres different grades. The cheap stuff secondary adamantium a light saber probably could cut through with enough time. Secondary is still indestructible for all practical purposes, but that was marvels way of saying how the stuff was being easily broken by heavy weights but key items like wolverines claws never have been damaged.A Lightsaber took time to cut through Blast doors in the Phantom menace, as they don't effortlessly go thru anything.

True Adamantium has withstood stupid amounts of damage. Wolverine whos skeleton is made of it didnt metal from being exposed to the heat of the sun. A light saber isnt going melt it or do much of anything to it.

Theres other grades of super metals in marvel, such as Vibranium, and adamantium from different regions. I forget how the hiarchy breaks down, but outside the secondary stuff a lightsaber likely wouldnt damage it in any meaningful way in a reasonable time frame it run out of juice before it penetrated it.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Bloodlust » Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:16 pm

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Vong armor could stop them for certain periods of time, with repeatitive hits, the armor would crack eventually.

Plus, if they learned the Force power that Jacen learned as Darth Caedus, then he could find the fracture points in the Adamantium and it would disintigrate just from a tap of the lightsaber hilt.

If that didn't work, the Force sure as hell could bend the Adamantium, not to mention Force Lightning vs Adamntium = crispy wolverine
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Lastjustice » Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:48 pm

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I think this might help, as people seem to be unaware just how stupidly indestructible Adamantium is.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Adamantium

Which this shows the scan of Wolverine being exposed to heat of the sun and his skeleton remaining in tact.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Vibranium

The black panther made his suit out of it

http://marvel.wikia.com/Uru

What Thor hammer made out of, which regularly withstands a 100 ton class character smashing it against really hard objects. It's has survived being in the heart of the sun.


Basically unless force powers involved magnetism they wouldnt phase adamantium. Jedi have enough trouble moving fighter craft, and large pillars. Stuff Marvel heavy weights regularly move, which Adamantium withstands blows from said foes.

Ultron in particular makes his body out of said material regularly. He has been beaten on by the Avengers plenty of times including Thor. (whos moved the midgard serpent which weights as much as the entire earth.) During the secret wars Johnny Story went super Nova on Ultron to defeat him. Ultron's inner squishier components melted, but his body remained completely in tact. Adamantium easily withstands heat.

In short the stuff in marvel has take damage from stuff on a power scale Star wars doesnt even get close to. Im sure if someone compiled all insane damage it's withstood or the force it took to break it, nothing in the Star war canon would come close. (may be the death star but even then I wouldnt be certain.)
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Name_Violation » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:06 pm

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Lastjustice wrote:I think this might help, as people seem to be unaware just how stupidly indestructible Adamantium is.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Adamantium

Which this shows the scan of Wolverine being exposed to heat of the sun and his skeleton remaining in tact.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Vibranium

The black panther made his suit out of it

http://marvel.wikia.com/Uru

What Thor hammer made out of, which regularly withstands a 100 ton class character smashing it against really hard objects. It's has survived being in the heart of the sun.

BUt again, cyclops has blasted threw it. its why AoA wolverine is missing a left hand. (also, not so high reguards- in an episode of the spiderman and friends cartoon cyclops cut threw a walled room made of adamantium, but he had to concentrate his beam)
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Lastjustice » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:47 am

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Name_Violation wrote:But again, cyclops has blasted threw it. its why AoA wolverine is missing a left hand. (also, not so high reguards- in an episode of the spiderman and friends cartoon cyclops cut threw a walled room made of adamantium, but he had to concentrate his beam)


Cyclops is actually capable of blasting things with incredible force. You mention cyclops like hes a scrub or something. During the Onslaught Saga, he was the only one who could damage Onslaughts Armor amoung the army of heroes fighting him besides the hulk, whom went ballastic as Jean Grey completely turned off Banners restraint.

In another issue Cyclops was blasting Juggernaut with enough force to crack a small planetoid in half as described in the caption, which slowed his advance. Cyclops' optic Blast is pure concussive force, it isnt heat (though some writer despict it as such from time to time.) He also used his optic blast to propel the Starjammers ship across space when their ship malfunctioned, his blasts are nothing to scoff at.

Which AoA isnt canon to 616, as Wolverines hand never regenerated for some odd reason too.(despite him regening from far worse.) Its an out of continuity feat, as we have no idea what grade of adamantium was used on the universe of AoA as so much was different there. Its same as quoting a What if, as they kill people in improbable siuations all the time in them. So your example is not a good one to make a case with. Try finding a canon feat.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Shadowman » Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:13 am

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Lastjustice wrote:it run out of juice before it penetrated it.


Has a Lightsaber ever run out of power before? I don't recall ever hearing something like that.

Lastjustice wrote:Jedi have enough trouble moving fighter craft, and large pillars.


There was that time Galen Marek pulled a star Destroyer out of the Sky, he was also capable of tossing TIE Fighters around regularly. Though most people agree, he's still weaker than Luke.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Lastjustice » Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:13 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
Lastjustice wrote:it run out of juice before it penetrated it.


Has a Lightsaber ever run out of power before? I don't recall ever hearing something like that.


Well they run on a power source do they not, at some point they run out of juice. They just opted not make a plot point out of it way spiderman' web shooters seem always run out at bad times. We've never seen their blasters run out during the movies either, but it's implied they do have a limit of power.


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Lastjustice wrote:Jedi have enough trouble moving fighter craft, and large pillars.


There was that time Galen Marek pulled a star Destroyer out of the Sky, he was also capable of tossing TIE Fighters around regularly. Though most people agree, he's still weaker than Luke.


Thats extended universe stuff, which is basically offical fan fics. In the most canon source Luke and Yoda both have trouble moving heavier objects as I described. Luke even in his extended universe uber feats basically fizzles out afterwards as they greatly tax him. I dont put much stock in extended universe stuff because nothing in the offical canon ever supports force wielders ever being that great.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Shadowman » Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:48 pm

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Lastjustice wrote:it run out of juice before it penetrated it.


Has a Lightsaber ever run out of power before? I don't recall ever hearing something like that.


Well they run on a power source do they not, at some point they run out of juice. They just opted not make a plot point out of it way spiderman' web shooters seem always run out at bad times. We've never seen their blasters run out during the movies either, but it's implied they do have a limit of power.


Blasters do occasionally need to be reloaded, but a Lightsaber has never run out of power.

Lastjustice wrote:because nothing in the offical canon ever supports force wielders ever being that great.


What do you mean? Of course it does. I just mentioned Galen Marek ripping a Star Destroyer out of the sky.

Of course, this means you don't understand Star Wars Canon. Everything in the EU is Canon, unless George Lucas or another official source says it isn't.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Lastjustice » Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:10 am

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Shadowman wrote:
Lastjustice wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Lastjustice wrote:it run out of juice before it penetrated it.


Has a Lightsaber ever run out of power before? I don't recall ever hearing something like that.


Well they run on a power source do they not, at some point they run out of juice. They just opted not make a plot point out of it way spiderman' web shooters seem always run out at bad times. We've never seen their blasters run out during the movies either, but it's implied they do have a limit of power.


Lastjustice wrote:Blasters do occasionally need to be reloaded, but a Lightsaber has never run out of power. Oh cause no one ever had it happen they automatically unlimited then...thats a huge freaking jump in logic considering every bit of tech in the star wars universe shown run out of power. What do they run on, plot devicism? No that makes absolutely no sense. The only thing we can conclude is they just last a really long time to point it's never came up in a story, but dont go overboard. Its far more logical to conclude they do at some point than they never do as nothing else seems hold that trait to reach that concept.



Lastjustice wrote:because nothing in the offical canon ever supports force wielders ever being that great.


What do you mean? Of course it does. I just mentioned Galen Marek ripping a Star Destroyer out of the sky.

Of course, this means you don't understand Star Wars Canon. Everything in the EU is Canon, unless George Lucas or another official source says it isn't.


Oh boy this crud, anyone who isnt a complete fanboy will concede the EU is nothing but officaly labeled fan fics for most part. Period. Nothing suports those feats, as Lucas words is its canon unless it contradicts the movies. Theres feats of Vader causing stars super nova and sith lords who singlehandled wiped out planets with their force powers. (plenty of stuff in the books contradicts the movies, like "grey" force wielders as Lucas says theres no middle ground between light and dark..regardless how ilogical it is, as there should be a state of balance.)

Nothing in the movies shows Jedi are that powerful. There for; those feats are a contradiction. Vader and Luke who supposed the best of all, the chosen ones, both suck in the movies,as jedi are nothing more than glorfied samurai with a few parlor tricks. (especially outside the star wars universe as the force doesnt exist any where else.) Regular fodder manages put enough fight against them, and in the knights of the old republic Jedi need be saved by people who dont wield the force. We see tons of them get mowed down by guys in white and droids, yet Im supposed buy they are able to be so awesome in some other guys take on the EU.

Even at that is really that impressive of a feat compare marvel or DC, absolutely not. Knocking something to the ground is far less impressive than someone tossing it up there. That hardly constitutes Jedi are powerful enough to damage nigh indestructible metals that character who can bench press reps of star destroyers cant even damage on a consistent basis.

Ultimately you could toss a Jedi in a room made out of Adamantium, he/she would die of starvation or lack of oxygen long before they d do any damage. Which was the point to decide if a Jedi or Lightsaber wielder could damage some fictional indestructible metal. Nothing in the movie canon suggests they could, and thats frankly only one I will ever acknowledge as its the most offical source. Even EU probably wouldnt fair any better anyways.

Sheesh whats with people devianting from canon feats at every turn this thread? Anyone know what canon means anymore? It be like counting Movie Megatron and G1 megatron feats as the same.(shrugs)
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Shadowman » Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:00 pm

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Lastjustice wrote:as Lucas words is its canon unless it contradicts the movies.


Well this discussion is over. You got that completely backwards, and just proved, once and for all, you have no clue how canon works with Star Wars. So let me explain it to you:

Star Wars Canon is broken up into levels. The top level is George Lucas's word, and the movies, however, Lucas can contradict the movies any time he wants. Below that is the TV series' (Particularly the two Clone Wars cartoons and the live-action series), below that is the books, games, comics, etc. Below that is pretty much anythign that may not be canon, and below that is anything confirmed to be non-canon.

To put things simply, anyone who rejects the EU clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.

Lastjustice wrote:Nothing in the movies shows Jedi are that powerful. There for; those feats are a contradiction.


Just because they weren't shown doing that, doesn't mean they were incapable of it.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Lastjustice » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:18 pm

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Thats fine, you dont seem grasp what I am saying. EU is crap, I could careless if you or other people want to justify them as otherwise, they will never be canon to the movies. I've seen lucas quote, it was, long as as it doesnt contradict the movies then its ok. He doesn't care read what these people are writing(which I dont blame him), it makes him more money though to not let them go nuts. So just putting in the guideline it contradicts my word then it's non canon is suffice. I mean he doesnt have a clear cut list of thes things..why cause he doesnt care. He just doesnt want anyone painting his story into corners he can't get himself out of when comes time do something he offically wants to do. It's pretty freaking clear what doesn't fit.

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Just because they weren't shown doing that, doesn't mean they were incapable of it.


Your logic is aft-backwards. Just cause I haven't seen unicorns in doesn't mean they dont exist either then. Batman can fire omega beams and move at super speed, we just havent seen it yet. See how silly that arguement can be if we go that direction? Nothing supports your arguement in the movie verse. Everything supports mine..the beauty of being right muhaha. Jedi strain lift things, and are horribly gunned down; nothing they ever do in the movies comes remotely close to fan fics you re quoting.

If the movie Jedi never are shown be as powerful especially in several occasions wielding that level of power might been really freaking useful. Like Luke could just used the force slam the door back on the Rancor monster avoiding potentially being eaten in the first place. Vader could have stopped the Rebels from escaping Hoth, yet he opted not for some reason by your logic. Yoda despite being a top tier jedi needed build up momentum to toss back the hover disks in the senate battle with Sidius. In the gaenos arena battle, the Jedi could sure used some uber feats cause they got stomped by the droids. Ripping out section of the seats and dropping on the approaching droid army.

The movies stop making any sense if you inject those feats into them, as I'm sure you can compile a massive list of things that would swiftly resolved. Ultimately the clearest line in the sand that they aren't canon is fact they re referred to as the EU not simply the star wars universe. If they were then everything would be clear cut canon, not take your pick like it is.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Shadowman » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:56 pm

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So just because it's not the movies, that means it sucks? Okay, you really had me going there for a second. But you really can't be serious about this if you're going to judge a vast number of works as if they're all the exact same.

Lastjustice wrote:I could careless if you or other people want to justify them as otherwise, they will never be canon to the movies.


They are canon, unless stated otherwise. Simply because their abilities may be exaggerated in one work or another, does not mean it's a contradiction.

Likewise, your comparison to Batman suffers from one problem: There was never any occurrence of Batman ever firing Omega beams in any official media. However, there are more than a few official cases of Jedi ripping fighters and cruisers out of the sky, or wiping out armies with just Force Push, or General Grievous before they ruined him in Episode III.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Bloodlust » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:28 pm

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Sigh, this is interesting, two things that are compltely awesome in conflict. I must say, as much as a star wars geek as I am, Shadowman has one up on me.

First off, I don't remember what book it was, but Darth Vader has ripped star cruisers in half, while that's not as big as a Star Destroyer, that's still impressive.

Second, a lightsaber will NEVER run out of juice because it's self recharging. The beam loops back into the hilt which recharges the power source.

Also, look at 1977, do you really think they had the technology to make the Jedi/Sith do all the crazy things as spoken for in the canon? No.

In episode 3, you do know that they're using the Force to keep from bursting into flames RIGHT? Or have you not read any of the books? Now, I would love to see somebody without force powers or the suit of armor that the mustafarians were wearing to STAY ALIVE fight on those little robots.

Now sense you haven't read (i'm assuming since you think EU sucks) any of the NJO/Dark Nest/LOTF you have no idea how insanely powerful some of these guys can get.

Just because YOU haven't read it, doesn't make it not true and frankly if your going to aruge with no knowledge, then you argument is mute.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

Postby Lastjustice » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:57 pm

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They are canon, unless stated otherwise. Simply because their abilities may be exaggerated in one work or another, does not mean it's a contradiction.

Likewise, your comparison to Batman suffers from one problem: There was never any occurrence of Batman ever firing Omega beams in any official media. However, there are more than a few official cases of Jedi ripping fighters and cruisers out of the sky, or wiping out armies with just Force Push, or General Grievous before they ruined him in Episode III.



In the animated clone wars...which amp plenty from the movies. I dont consider the feats canon what so ever, as they did stuff solely for sake of being cool not cause made alot of sense. The story holds together fine , but the rule of cool feats were done cause by same people did samurai jack, which had no place in the actual movies. (like Obiwan jousting on a speeder bike or clone troopers swing lining at their target while firing.) See again you fail counter with a feat in the films that disproves what I said. Thats my point, the films are the highest canon, and until they support your arguement, your arguement fails.

As for batman example, hes had super powers on a few occasions actually.(and why are you still replying Mr this over if I was so invalidated already....means you ve diginified my statements as they carry truth then heh.) But your arguement is hey theres a hint of something, there for writers can do whatever heck they want with it. Thats just dumb, like hey lets just make everythnig a deus ex since we can.


Second, a lightsaber will NEVER run out of juice because it's self recharging. The beam loops back into the hilt which recharges the power source.


That may be true, but its still stupid as hell, but I suppose entire concept of lightsaber is silly on so many levels begin with.(why would stop at an exact length and not burn up the wielder if it were so hot, are basically miracles of science in itself.) I mean every time they d hit something energy would be expended, so it eventually fizzle out. Then again just beckons question why not everything else runs on simliar tech if they managed make the lighsabers perptual. I guess they do run on plot devicism.

To put things simply, anyone who rejects the EU clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.


No its clearly a different line in the sand. You can tell me or anyone else (as plenty of people say same thnig as me when people start quoting the EU crap fest as canon.) its a bunch of lame ass fan fics period. My roommate was a huge star wars fan and talked about the books all time, Id just shrug and so whens vader going cause super novas in the movies...yeah thats freaking lame.

I see nothing wrogn with people writing their own takes on it. Peter jackson did his own take on lord of the rings, but he made clear its own entity.


So just because it's not the movies, that means it sucks? Okay, you really had me going there for a second. But you really can't be serious about this if you're going to judge a vast number of works as if they're all the exact same.




I could care less read them all, my point still stands. If they had any decency they just say they were a microcontinuity and be done with it. If superman and spiderman can have several different microcontinuities, why do these guys have try shoe horn their crap into the original canon that they dont fit into.


Also, look at 1977, do you really think they had the technology to make the Jedi/Sith do all the crazy things as spoken for in the canon? No.



Thats a copout, and ultimately proves my point heh. They had the chance amp up the series in prequels and still left them operating at basically same power lvls.

In episode 3, you do know that they're using the Force to keep from bursting into flames RIGHT? Or have you not read any of the books? Now, I would love to see somebody without force powers or the suit of armor that the mustafarians were wearing to STAY ALIVE fight on those little robots.

So what if the novelazation said that. The novel of episode 2 had Anakin flying around and dropping a huge rock on the sand people. The Novel of the transformers 2007 had jazz melt down Brawl singlehandedly. What bearing does this have to the movie where no mention of force related means was applied to their survive. (which clearly didnt help later as Anakin was burnt to a crisp.)


Just because YOU haven't read it, doesn't make it not true and frankly if your going to aruge with no knowledge, then you argument is mute.


Invalidating the person does not invalidate their point. I dont care if I never read a book in my life or read em all. My point still stands, they contradict the movies the highest canon and have a Tag EU on them. You can not dispute this. If it was simply the star wars universe then they wouldnt have made such a distiction. Then what you re saying would hold water. Again if my arguement is mute why heck am I being replied to...cause I'm right. All too easy.

On top of all this nonsense about how the EU doesn't suck, you guys have yet mention any feat worth a crap that actually suggests lightsabers can hack thru adamantium which was the original point in question not whether we should give a slag about the EU.
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Re: Adamantium vs Light Sabers

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Lastjustice wrote:(why would stop at an exact length and not burn up the wielder if it were so hot, are basically miracles of science in itself.)


Because it's not actually light, which is a misconception many people have because of the name. It's a stick of plasma suspended inside of a force field. This is how it can burn anything it comes into contact with, without burning the atmosphere around the user.
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