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by **imotron** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:58 pm

Hello guys, you are my last hope to find some information or actual facts that will let me sleep from now on :-?

During the Transformers 1986 movie we saw lots of Autobots and Decepticons dying and reformatted, now, what happened to characters like Sideswipe, Jet Fire, and many other Autobots that they simply disappeared from the cartoon. Now I know there are several time lines such as the Marvel Comics that as an example Jetfire and the Aerialbots got killed by Starscream, but on the cartoon specifically what went wrong? what happened to them, did they took an early retirement plan? :grin:

Please help me!

by **Deadpool.** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:23 am

They were simply sidelined so that the episodes could focus more on the "new" characters such as Rodimus, Arcee, Springer etc....

by **Necessary Evil** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:12 am

Deadpool. wrote:They were simply sidelined so that the episodes could focus more on the "new" characters such as Rodimus, Arcee, Springer etc....

I reckon that sucks.

Great Autobots like Sideswipe and Bluestreak deserved more time in the 1st and 2nd season. It was also crap how they were virtually no where to be seen the the movie.

News Credits: 8 · by **Liege Evilmus** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:27 am

Sucks as it does, it's what you have to do with an ever growing cast.

I agree, I would have liked to have seen these characters more than in the backround like Omega Supreme was once in season 3, or worse yet only mentioned.

It's nothing new though. TrailBreaker only showed up in season 2 whenever they convieniently needed a force field. Always waiting behind a rock or something?

I beleive JetFire/SkyFire was shown in the mosuleim during Dark Awakening as well as a handful of other bots that didn't die?

In the Decepticon version either StarScreams Ghost or Gjost in the Machine(I forget which) Octaine ran into a Decepticon memorial that had Dirge who was seen next episode, and ThunderCracker, which always confused me because he was reformated not dead?

So yeah it sucks that alot of great figures got either killed or writen off the show. However alot do reapear in the first few episodes of HeadMasters before pretty much the entire cast is writen off altogether.

:roll:

Japan

by **Deadpool.** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:56 am

Oh, and dead characters who appeared again in later episodes was due to the fact that Seasons 3 and 4 had worse animations than Seadons 1 and 2.....

by **imotron** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:10 pm

I found this link that a very good friend of mine just sent to me:

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Jetfire_(G1)

On the search area, type any TF's name.... quite interesting, by the way I need to see Dark Awakening again... rather the entire G1 carton and take appropriate notes to share here

by **NiteStar** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:19 pm

Alot of it has to do with Hasbro.They wanted to feature new toy Charchters like every other month so others like Sideswipe, Sunstreaker and so on got left in the wind. Skyfire/Jetfire's figure appears in "Dark awakening"
And many Others, even ones that died in the movie , appear in Takara's Headmasters but that was due to Takara not knowing what The American series had already established.

Den-O wrote: Seasons 3 and 4 had worse animations than Seadons 1 and 2.....

Well Season 1 and 2 was a period of time when all Cartoons in the U.S looked like that. G.I. Joe, He-Man, Thundercats, Jem and the Holograms :lol:

. It was Classic animation of that time thats nostalgic for some people (like me).
I love TF Season 1 Animation and I think Season 2 got even more crisp , clear and refined. Season 3 by Far had some bad animation BUT it also had some of the Best animation of all G1 time. An example ..."Call of the Primitves" That was hands down some of the Best animation of the whole G1 era! ( early Japanimation at it's finest )
Season 4 I felt like they took it back to Season 2 roots of animation but with a whole new look and cast of characters ( hence the Re-Birth /:)

) Prime was back and everything.
But I love the animation of those years, flaws and all!

by **Necessary Evil** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:28 pm

The Ultimate Weapon (one of my most favourite episodes, too!) had decent animation, especially during the big fight between Metroplex and Trypticon. And that was a fantastic scene, too!

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:17 am

NiteStar wrote:An example ..."Call of the Primitves" That was hands down some of the Best animation of the whole G1 era!

To bad that episode had to fail, by making Unicron the failed science project of a monkey-man.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:42 am

Liege Evilmus wrote:It's nothing new though. TrailBreaker only showed up in season 2 whenever they convieniently needed a force field. Always waiting behind a rock or something?

Funny

Liege Evilmus wrote:I beleive JetFire/SkyFire was shown in the mosuleim during Dark Awakening

If this happened I missed it.Can you tell me in what scene?????I do remember a ship of his design being blowen up in that episode "TWICE" but I dont remember him in the tomb.

Liege Evilmus wrote:In the Decepticon version either StarScreams Ghost or Gjost in the Machine(I forget which) Octaine ran into a Decepticon memorial that had Dirge who was seen next episode, and ThunderCracker, which always confused me because he was reformated not dead?

There bodies were reformated but their soul's, sparks or what ever were dead.

Liege Evilmus wrote:So yeah it sucks that alot of great figures got either killed or writen off the show.

Agreed.

Den-O wrote:Oh, and dead characters who appeared again in later episodes was due to the fact that Seasons 3 and 4 had worse animations than Seadons 1 and 2.....

There were 3 characters that were showen dieing in the movie that did return in season 3 and had speeking lines in the episodes.

It wasnt a mistake of the animators but of the writters.

Care to take a guess as to which 3 characters I'm talking about???

by **imotron** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:16 pm

Are you talking about Thundercracker... Skywarp, and ?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:50 pm

imotron wrote:Are you talking about Thundercracker... Skywarp, and ?

No it was Ramjet,Dirge and Thrust.

They were all killed and eaten bu Unicron durring his attack on Cybertron.

by **imotron** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:16 am

But Dirge Ramjet and Thrust did several appearances during the show, I thought that they survived fighting Unicron, since there was not many references after and during the movie that they died.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:02 am

imotron wrote:But Dirge Ramjet and Thrust did several appearances during the show, I thought that they survived fighting Unicron, since there was not many references after and during the movie that they died.

That was my point.

They dies in the movie and returned in season 3 with out any explaination.

As for them surviving the fight.....they were showen exploding inside Unicrons mouth and then he closed his teeth and munching down on them .

by **imotron** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:34 pm

Would you say animation errors? there are several during the entire show... or in purpose :-?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:42 am

imotron wrote:Would you say animation errors? there are several during the entire show... or in purpose

You can call it an animation error but it wouldnt be 100% correct to do so.

What it really was.....is that early scripts for the movie featured the deaths of most [ if not all ] of the season 2 characters in addition to the deaths of of the season 1 characters.

So more then likly the "Coneheads seekers" deaths scenes were animated under the older scripts and ether....
[A] never reanimated because of cost.
[B] forgotten about and left in by mistake
[C] was thought to be un-important enough to be reanimated

If you look at the early story boards for the 86 movie you'll see characters like Smokescrean dieing in place of Wheeljack
http://www.wombatking.com/coppermine/di ... m=4&pos=60

And Red Alert dies while running from Deverstator with Ultra Magnus and other Autobots like Tracks and Sideswipe.
http://www.wombatking.com/coppermine/di ... m=4&pos=71
http://www.wombatking.com/coppermine/di ... m=4&pos=76

You can check out plenty more deleated story board scenes here

http://www.wombatking.com/coppermine/th ... m=4&page=1