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The one from botcon, is he from the Classic Universe or another?

Well he hasn't appeared in any of the Classicsverse fiction and his bio card is in a different style to all the other Botcon exclusives from this year. This suggests to me that he's more of a 'Timelines' Alpha Trion than specificly a 'Classics' Alpha Trion. I'm displaying mine with my Classics toys because that's where the rest of the Botcon exclusives are. End of the day you can consider the toy to be anything you want.

He's definately Timelines, universe not Classics. The Classics universe is G1, and the color placement on BotCon Alpha Trion does not match up with G1 Alpha Trion's color placement, particularly on the torso and arms. Too much white, Violet in the wrong places, and not enough crimson. Even his bio card states he isn't G1 Alpha Trion, but one from another universe. I did an Alpha Trion with a proper G1 accurate color scheme.

I don't see that that really makes any difference in relation to Alpha Trion as he 'may' appear in the Classsicsverse though Tramp. Bear in mind that the Classics material is a continuation of sorts to the Marvel G1 comics and as far as we've ever seen A3 was never a part of that continuity. If FunPub ever decide to include him in the Classicsverse stories they would be far more likely to use his Timelines colour scheme as cross promotion of their own toy as opposed to his cartoon colours that were used for him in Balancing Act before the toy existed.

waaaaghlord wrote:I don't see that that really makes any difference in relation to Alpha Trion as he 'may' appear in the Classsicsverse though Tramp. Bear in mind that the Classics material is a continuation of sorts to the Marvel G1 comics and as far as we've ever seen A3 was never a part of that continuity. If FunPub ever decide to include him in the Classicsverse stories they would be far more likely to use his Timelines colour scheme as cross promotion of their own toy as opposed to his cartoon colours that were used for him in Balancing Act before the toy existed.

The Classics line is just a continuation of G1. I don't know about FunPub, but Hasbro never specified Marvel, DW, or cartoon G1. More than likely, it was based off of the original toy continuity established by Hasbro themselves, which is what DW also tried to follw. However, none of us can say for sure which G1 continuity Hasbro based the Classics continuity off of. What we do know is that the BotCon Alpha Trion is not G1 Alpha Trion. It is Timelines Alpha Trion, which is its own universe and continuity all together. All of the BotCon figures are a part of the Timelines continuity, even the boxed set that came out this year. Secondly, I doubt FunPub would mix the Classicsverse with the Timelines verse. They are two totally different universes. Therefore, if they have Alpha Trion appear in their Classics story again, they would use the colors they have already established in that comic, which is the G1 color scheme, not the Timelines one.

The current Timelines stories use the Classics designs and the Botcon designs. If A3 makes an appearance in these stories it will not be the same A3 that has previously been featured as that was in the Cyberton continuity.

Tramp wrote:The Classics line is just a continuation of G1. I don't know about FunPub, but Hasbro never specified Marvel, DW, or cartoon G1. More than likely, it was based off of the original toy continuity established by Hasbro themselves, which is what DW also tried to follw. However, none of us can say for sure which G1 continuity Hasbro based the Classics continuity off of. What we do know is that the BotCon Alpha Trion is not G1 Alpha Trion. It is Timelines Alpha Trion, which is its own universe and continuity all together. All of the BotCon figures are a part of the Timelines continuity, even the boxed set that came out this year. Secondly, I doubt FunPub would mix the Classicsverse with the Timelines verse. They are two totally different universes. Therefore, if they have Alpha Trion appear in their Classics story again, they would use the colors they have already established in that comic, which is the G1 color scheme, not the Timelines one.

Ummmm, actually didn't they do just that? Timelines is just a imprint, or at the very least a glimpse into alternate realities. Didn't the last issue of Timelines inlude the Timelines Botcon exclusives and the Classics figures together?
And Classics takes place after G1 Marvel, as if G2 never existed.

Loki120 wrote:

Tramp wrote:The Classics line is just a continuation of G1. I don't know about FunPub, but Hasbro never specified Marvel, DW, or cartoon G1. More than likely, it was based off of the original toy continuity established by Hasbro themselves, which is what DW also tried to follw. However, none of us can say for sure which G1 continuity Hasbro based the Classics continuity off of. What we do know is that the BotCon Alpha Trion is not G1 Alpha Trion. It is Timelines Alpha Trion, which is its own universe and continuity all together. All of the BotCon figures are a part of the Timelines continuity, even the boxed set that came out this year. Secondly, I doubt FunPub would mix the Classicsverse with the Timelines verse. They are two totally different universes. Therefore, if they have Alpha Trion appear in their Classics story again, they would use the colors they have already established in that comic, which is the G1 color scheme, not the Timelines one.

Ummmm, actually didn't they do just that? Timelines is just a imprint, or at the very least a glimpse into alternate realities. Didn't the last issue of Timelines inlude the Timelines Botcon exclusives and the Classics figures together?
And Classics takes place after G1 Marvel, as if G2 never existed.

I wouldn't know. I'm not a member of the official fan club; can't afford it.

My point though is that they are supposed to be sepatate universes untoo themselves. Secondly, if, indeed they did base the Classics universe off on Marvel G1, and I am not sayng they did, then they would still use Alpha Trion's G1 form. I haven't checked my copy, but at least according the the database here on this site, Alpha Trion did indeed make an appearance in the marvel run in issue number one as shown in this link: http://www.seibertron.com/database/character.php?char_id=187&view=appearances
Therefore, if they are indeed using Marvel G1 as their jumping off point for Classics, then G1 Alpha Trion is indeed the one they would use, not Timelines.

I would certainly like to see the panel where Alpha Trion made an appearance in issue #1. I don't seem to remember him from anywhere.

I would be interested in seeing it too. I might have to dig out my comics to look. I'm just saying that, apparently, he does make an apprearance.

That's clearly a mistake. Alpha Trion didn't even debut in the cartoon until season 2 and that was a while after Marvel #1 hit news stands. While there were quite a few poorly drawn generic non toy bots in that issue there is no way that any of them could have been A3 on the simple grounds that the character did not yet exist.

Oh and Tramp, you seem to be misunderstanding my use of the term 'Classicsverse' and confusing it with 'Classics'. The first refers to the club fiction using the Classics and Botcon toy designs, the second to the Classics toy line itself. Whenever '-verse' is added to the end of something it denotes the related fiction/media rather than the toys themselves. Since only the club has made any use of the Classics designs as a whole (IDW used Jetfire) the current club comics are becoming commonly known as the Classicsverse.

I didn't misunderstand anything. Even you yourself said that, and I quote: "Well he hasn't appeared in any of the Classicsverse fiction and his bio card is in a different style to all the other Botcon exclusives from this year. This suggests to me that he's more of a 'Timelines' Alpha Trion than specificly a 'Classics' Alpha Trion." Those wer your own words. Classicverse and Timelines are two separate continuities by your own admition.

No. Timelines is a catchall phrase for all of the FunPub produced fiction, Classicsverse is a fan term that has come to be used as the norm by the fandom to refer to the current Timelines material using the Classics designs, hence the distinction.

Personally I'm not willing to let this become yet another thread where you mindlessly argue a point for three pages Tramp so I won't be posting in this thread again unless it is to provide a specific answer to a specific question. By your own admission you haven't read the comics that this debate is about anyway so I really don't see how you can comment on them in anything other than a generalised and uninformed manner anyway.

This is waaaaghlord signing off from the Alpha Trion thread in Cartoons and Comics. Thank you and good night.

You forgot to say "And don't forget to try the 'Fish'."