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shockblast2 wrote:gothsaurus wrote:As I said, it sounds like you have a real claim against the greedy FunPub overlords. Call them out on the floor at the convention and demand a price breakdown per figure.
I couldn't go if I wanted to. But anyone else is more than welcome to use my information to do so. I would if I were there, but I would love to see someone field that question just to see what they say.
Midnight_Fox wrote:You'll then ignore it like you're already doing.
gothsaurus wrote:I remember going to Botcon back when they couldn't even add a new head. We were excited at getting just an exclusive pair of REPAINTS with a new character bio aimed at the fans.
FunPub has a LOT of rules to roll with. (Can't use existing mold, can't use a character on the shelf, can't do a new mold, can't do more than 5 new heads, have to use molds that actually exist and are readily available...etc. etc. etc.) I'm tired of people blaming THEM for the rules Hasbro sets for them.
Let's talk about what they do WITHIN their parameters.
Think about it like this. It's like one of those cooking shows where they give a group of chefs five ingredients to see what they can make out of it. You don't complain "why didn't he make lobster" when there wasn't any provided. You critique the meals based on what is available.
SO, that said... It's a HUGE nod to fans doing these obscure and long-awaited characters. Head sculpts look spot on. Bodies look like good matches. (Plus back in G1 and the comic, MANY of the vehicles were just odd, made-up, wads of spacy looking bits. I'm not sure I'd want a G1 cartoon accurate vehicle for Devcon. It's a bit weird.)
I guess my point is... you can see a lot of thought put into these choices. It's a solid theme and some great characters. That's what makes any of these dumb toys memorable - great characterization through plots, stories, voices. Are they perfect? No, but they're really good - and probably the only versions of these characters we'll EVER, EVER get. (Did I mention EVER?) I'm really grateful to FanPub for giving that to us.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Midnight_Fox wrote:shockblast2 wrote:gothsaurus wrote:As I said, it sounds like you have a real claim against the greedy FunPub overlords. Call them out on the floor at the convention and demand a price breakdown per figure.
I couldn't go if I wanted to. But anyone else is more than welcome to use my information to do so. I would if I were there, but I would love to see someone field that question just to see what they say.
They'd explain to you the various different things other than just material costs that go into pricing a product as well as the economy of scale for a tiny run such as 1500 units.
You'll then ignore it like you're already doing.
If you want an answer, ask an economist, they'll explain to you why your thought that the material costs going into something are the only factor is massively uniformed ignorance.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
shockblast2 wrote:Midnight_Fox wrote:shockblast2 wrote:gothsaurus wrote:As I said, it sounds like you have a real claim against the greedy FunPub overlords. Call them out on the floor at the convention and demand a price breakdown per figure.
I couldn't go if I wanted to. But anyone else is more than welcome to use my information to do so. I would if I were there, but I would love to see someone field that question just to see what they say.
They'd explain to you the various different things other than just material costs that go into pricing a product as well as the economy of scale for a tiny run such as 1500 units.
You'll then ignore it like you're already doing.
If you want an answer, ask an economist, they'll explain to you why your thought that the material costs going into something are the only factor is massively uniformed ignorance.
LOL, what did I miss in my model? I am not ignoring anything they said. I am auditing their claim. And I call bs if they are telling you that they are justified in their price point. Your kind of reaction reminds me of an addict that will say anything to forget their fix, no matter what the cost is, and then defends it and gets angry when someone calls it into question. Rather than lying and saying I am ignoring their claim, why not audit my figures? Go online and find some comparable businesses balance sheet, do the math, then come back and properly rebut my claim. I have to assume you either missed my last post or you are blatantly bearing false witness against me, because I clearly broke down every category OTHER than material costs on the prior page.
If you want to keep shelling out the cash, then go for it. But, don't get mad because I bring you the facts. Give them all your cash if you so please. What is it to me?
But, you know, what do I know? I am just an accountant for a similar injection molding business.......
Sabrblade wrote:Complaints about BotCon toys being nothing but existing mold either redecoed or redecoed and slightly remolded as well are about 20 years too late by now.
shockblast2 wrote:Midnight_Fox wrote:shockblast2 wrote:gothsaurus wrote:As I said, it sounds like you have a real claim against the greedy FunPub overlords. Call them out on the floor at the convention and demand a price breakdown per figure.
I couldn't go if I wanted to. But anyone else is more than welcome to use my information to do so. I would if I were there, but I would love to see someone field that question just to see what they say.
They'd explain to you the various different things other than just material costs that go into pricing a product as well as the economy of scale for a tiny run such as 1500 units.
You'll then ignore it like you're already doing.
If you want an answer, ask an economist, they'll explain to you why your thought that the material costs going into something are the only factor is massively uniformed ignorance.
LOL, what did I miss in my model? I am not ignoring anything they said. I am auditing their claim. And I call bs if they are telling you that they are justified in their price point. Your kind of reaction reminds me of an addict that will say anything to forget their fix, no matter what the cost is, and then defends it and gets angry when someone calls it into question. Rather than lying and saying I am ignoring their claim, why not audit my figures? Go online and find some comparable businesses balance sheet, do the math, then come back and properly rebut my claim.
If you want to keep shelling out the cash, then go for it. But, don't get mad because I bring you the facts. Give them all your cash if you so please. What is it to me?
But, you know, what do I know? I am just an accountant for a similar injection molding business.......
Since Tigatron was still based on a mold that was originally retooled from a Hasbro mold, do we know which BotCon toy (if there is one) was the first to be made from a wholly Japan-only figure? Like a BWII or BWNeo mold that Hasbro never released, or something?JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Complaints about BotCon toys being nothing but existing molds either redecoed or redecoed and slightly remolded as well are about 20 years too late by now.
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Though we are slowly getting more and more. Observe:
1994: First exclusive: G2 Breakdown
1995: First exclusive non-retail toy: Nightracer
2001: First repaint of a Japan-only mold: Tigatron
2001: First minor retool: Arcee
2003: First new toolings: Roulette & Shadow Striker
OK, we're at a standstill now...
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
shockblast2 wrote:Midnight_Fox wrote:shockblast2 wrote:gothsaurus wrote:As I said, it sounds like you have a real claim against the greedy FunPub overlords. Call them out on the floor at the convention and demand a price breakdown per figure.
I couldn't go if I wanted to. But anyone else is more than welcome to use my information to do so. I would if I were there, but I would love to see someone field that question just to see what they say.
They'd explain to you the various different things other than just material costs that go into pricing a product as well as the economy of scale for a tiny run such as 1500 units.
You'll then ignore it like you're already doing.
If you want an answer, ask an economist, they'll explain to you why your thought that the material costs going into something are the only factor is massively uniformed ignorance.
LOL, what did I miss in my model? I am not ignoring anything they said. I am auditing their claim. And I call bs if they are telling you that they are justified in their price point. Your kind of reaction reminds me of an addict that will say anything to forget their fix, no matter what the cost is, and then defends it and gets angry when someone calls it into question. Rather than lying and saying I am ignoring their claim, why not audit my figures? Go online and find some comparable businesses balance sheet, do the math, then come back and properly rebut my claim. I have to assume you either missed my last post or you are blatantly bearing false witness against me, because I clearly broke down every category OTHER than material costs on the prior page.
If you want to keep shelling out the cash, then go for it. But, don't get mad because I bring you the facts. Give them all your cash if you so please. What is it to me?
But, you know, what do I know? I am just an accountant for a similar injection molding business.......
Seibertron wrote:shockblast2 wrote:Midnight_Fox wrote:shockblast2 wrote:gothsaurus wrote:As I said, it sounds like you have a real claim against the greedy FunPub overlords. Call them out on the floor at the convention and demand a price breakdown per figure.
I couldn't go if I wanted to. But anyone else is more than welcome to use my information to do so. I would if I were there, but I would love to see someone field that question just to see what they say.
They'd explain to you the various different things other than just material costs that go into pricing a product as well as the economy of scale for a tiny run such as 1500 units.
You'll then ignore it like you're already doing.
If you want an answer, ask an economist, they'll explain to you why your thought that the material costs going into something are the only factor is massively uniformed ignorance.
LOL, what did I miss in my model? I am not ignoring anything they said. I am auditing their claim. And I call bs if they are telling you that they are justified in their price point. Your kind of reaction reminds me of an addict that will say anything to forget their fix, no matter what the cost is, and then defends it and gets angry when someone calls it into question. Rather than lying and saying I am ignoring their claim, why not audit my figures? Go online and find some comparable businesses balance sheet, do the math, then come back and properly rebut my claim.
If you want to keep shelling out the cash, then go for it. But, don't get mad because I bring you the facts. Give them all your cash if you so please. What is it to me?
But, you know, what do I know? I am just an accountant for a similar injection molding business.......
shockblast2 ... I have to come to Fun Pub's defense on this one. They're a business. They're allowed to make money. If you don't like the prices they charge for these items ... simply don't buy them.
While I'd love to see BotCon and Club figures be much less expensive than they are, I can also understand a large part of why they cost the way they do. If you are an accountant working for a profitable company, surely you must understand that the profits from an item like these goes to pay Fun Pub's salaries, health benefits, wages for support staff, marketing, operational costs, packaging costs, the factory and other production costs, fees for event reservations, licensing fees, etc.
I would prefer to see the focus be put on improving attendance levels and using ticket sales/entrance fees as a greater source of income for this business model rather than making the toys ("souvenirs") be so expensive, but it is the way it is.
Sabrblade wrote:Since Tigatron was still based on a mold that was originally retooled from a Hasbro mold, do we know which BotCon toy (if there is one) was the first to be made from a wholly Japan-only figure? Like a BWII or BWNeo mold that Hasbro never released, or something?JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Complaints about BotCon toys being nothing but existing molds either redecoed or redecoed and slightly remolded as well are about 20 years too late by now.
![]()
Though we are slowly getting more and more. Observe:
1994: First exclusive: G2 Breakdown
1995: First exclusive non-retail toy: Nightracer
2001: First repaint of a Japan-only mold: Tigatron
2001: First minor retool: Arcee
2003: First new toolings: Roulette & Shadow Striker
OK, we're at a standstill now...
And since Dirgegun was made from Waspinator... I guess there isn't any (yet).JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Since Tigatron was still based on a mold that was originally retooled from a Hasbro mold, do we know which BotCon toy (if there is one) was the first to be made from a wholly Japan-only figure? Like a BWII or BWNeo mold that Hasbro never released, or something?JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Complaints about BotCon toys being nothing but existing molds either redecoed or redecoed and slightly remolded as well are about 20 years too late by now.
![]()
Though we are slowly getting more and more. Observe:
1994: First exclusive: G2 Breakdown
1995: First exclusive non-retail toy: Nightracer
2001: First repaint of a Japan-only mold: Tigatron
2001: First minor retool: Arcee
2003: First new toolings: Roulette & Shadow Striker
OK, we're at a standstill now...
*checks lists*
Well, there's SG Megatron from 2008, made from Superlink Galvatron or the Ultra-sized version of Energon Megatron. That was originally Japan-only until it was imported for that Toys 'R Us gift set with Deluxe Prime. And SG Scrap Iron, but he was a Japan-only retool as well...
I can only think of Thrustinator, as Ultra Mammoth had a US release before in the shape of Universe 2003 Nemesis Prime.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:And since Dirgegun was made from Waspinator... I guess there isn't any (yet).JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Since Tigatron was still based on a mold that was originally retooled from a Hasbro mold, do we know which BotCon toy (if there is one) was the first to be made from a wholly Japan-only figure? Like a BWII or BWNeo mold that Hasbro never released, or something?JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Complaints about BotCon toys being nothing but existing molds either redecoed or redecoed and slightly remolded as well are about 20 years too late by now.
![]()
Though we are slowly getting more and more. Observe:
1994: First exclusive: G2 Breakdown
1995: First exclusive non-retail toy: Nightracer
2001: First repaint of a Japan-only mold: Tigatron
2001: First minor retool: Arcee
2003: First new toolings: Roulette & Shadow Striker
OK, we're at a standstill now...
*checks lists*
Well, there's SG Megatron from 2008, made from Superlink Galvatron or the Ultra-sized version of Energon Megatron. That was originally Japan-only until it was imported for that Toys 'R Us gift set with Deluxe Prime. And SG Scrap Iron, but he was a Japan-only retool as well...
I can only think of Thrustinator, as Ultra Mammoth had a US release before in the shape of Universe 2003 Nemesis Prime.
Well, Breakdown would count as wholly Japan-only mold since Jet Vehicon was made from PRID Vehicon.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:You think they're hinting at War Breakdown or Jet Vehicon?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
I kinda hope not since A) yeah, that would be far too expensive, and B) I kinda don't like the Metroplex mold as it is.gothsaurus wrote:I wonder if we might see Necrotitan for sale at Botcon. Maybe that is the big first-time thing. Hmmmm. I'd be hugely excited about that, though it would cost an arm and a leg for sure.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Saroblade wrote:Well, what else could they have gone with? There aren't many other broad chested, Floro Dery rounded-style figures out there that could have worked to resemble the character better than this.
Rodimus Prime wrote:You can't make me disappear. I am not feet.
Sabrblade wrote:The Energon Kicker w/ High Wire set done up as... Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III!
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Also, I haven't done this before, so I have to ask, is getting the Iacon package, where the BotCon set gets delivered to us without us going to the convention a hassle? Does it cost more? How much later does it get shipped? Does it come in a box or in individual little baggies? Do we get a choice?
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
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