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So I finally revieved my full Beast Wars the Gethering comic set the other day, and I got a bit confused about the whole 'chronally displaced' concept...could someone please explain it to me?

I'm not the best person to try and explain this, but I'll have a go.

Razorbeat and his Maximals, as well as Magmatron and his Predacons are all out of synch with the regular Beast Wars TV show cast due to Magmatrons planning, they exist in the same Universe, only a few seconds different in time from the Show cast, it means that they can interact with the Beast Wars Environment, without actually interacting with the tv cast.

Once they de-activate the devices that makes them displaced, they slip back into the normal timeline, thats why Magmatron was able to ambush Megatron.

I don't think I did a very good job here. Sorry.

...so chronally displacement is actually like invisibility caused by those devices?

i_amtrunks wrote:I'm not the best person to try and explain this, but I'll have a go.

Razorbeat and his Maximals, as well as Magmatron and his Predacons are all out of synch with the regular Beast Wars TV show cast due to Magmatrons planning, they exist in the same Universe, only a few seconds different in time from the Show cast, it means that they can interact with the Beast Wars Environment, without actually interacting with the tv cast.

Once they de-activate the devices that makes them displaced, they slip back into the normal timeline, thats why Magmatron was able to ambush Megatron.



I don't think I did a very good job here. Sorry.

No you did pretty good.

Eradicator wrote:...so chronally displacement is actually like invisibility caused by those devices?

yes.... well kind of, it makes the Chronally displace bots and cons "invisible" to the show bots and cons, but only because they are technically a few seconds behind in time than the Show cast.

Personally I think it'd be easier to say they are in a parallel universe, but they aren't as they can interact with the main timeline very easily if they so wish.

Hopefully someone can explain this much better than I have.

But then wouldn't that mean the BW toon cast couldn't interact with the lifeforms on Earth?

Eradicator wrote:...so chronally displacement is actually like invisibility caused by those devices?

Not actually!!!!In effect it does cause virtul invisibility by other means.If you were a Comic book fan or a Star Trek fan this might be eazyer to understand.........Think about it this way........the the world and every one and thing in it travels trew time at a specific speed and vibration.If you were to take someone and inject them into the that world and time stream at a different speed and vibration then they would appear to be invisibile to the inhabitants of that worlds normal time flow.The devices there carring are keeping them at that different speed and vibration of time.

Eradicator wrote:But then wouldn't that mean the BW toon cast couldn't interact with the lifeforms on Earth?

Not the toon cast....the comic book cast.

The toon/show cast can interact with Earth lifeforms fine.

The Comic cast cannot.

Are you a Stargate Fan at all? There was an episode back in Season 9 (I think) where a character displaces them self by doing what Sto_vo_kor said: putting themselves in a situation at a different frequency.

Think of it like Radios. You have 10 pairs of Radios all working together, with each pair only being able to interact with one another due to all of them operating on different frequencies.

i_amtrunks wrote:The toon/show cast can interact with Earth lifeforms fine.

The Comic cast cannot.

Are you a Stargate Fan at all? There was an episode back in Season 9 (I think) where a character displaces them self by doing what Sto_vo_kor said: putting themselves in a situation at a different frequency.

Think of it like Radios. You have 10 pairs of Radios all working together, with each pair only being able to interact with one another due to all of them operating on different frequencies.

I saw that episode but I dont like Stargate much.But that was a good exsample.

i_amtrunks wrote:The toon/show cast can interact with Earth lifeforms fine.

The Comic cast cannot.

Why is it that the comic Maximals can interact with some things on Earth but not others? The cartoon cast can obviously interact with Earth lifeforms and the stasis pods as they did that on the show. In The Gathering the comic Maximals also interact with the stasis pods; were the stasis pods (and, by extension, the protoforms within them) chronally displaced as well?

Leonardo wrote:

i_amtrunks wrote:The toon/show cast can interact with Earth lifeforms fine.

The Comic cast cannot.

Why is it that the comic Maximals can interact with some things on Earth but not others? The cartoon cast can obviously interact with Earth lifeforms and the stasis pods as they did that on the show. In The Gathering the comic Maximals also interact with the stasis pods; were the stasis pods (and, by extension, the protoforms within them) chronally displaced as well?

ARRGGGGHHHH! no no! put that lid back on that can of worms!

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

i_amtrunks wrote:The toon/show cast can interact with Earth lifeforms fine.

The Comic cast cannot.

Why is it that the comic Maximals can interact with some things on Earth but not others? The cartoon cast can obviously interact with Earth lifeforms and the stasis pods as they did that on the show. In The Gathering the comic Maximals also interact with the stasis pods; were the stasis pods (and, by extension, the protoforms within them) chronally displaced as well?

ARRGGGGHHHH! no no! put that lid back on that can of worms!

Yours AK

Sorry! Has this been discussed before?

Leonardo wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

i_amtrunks wrote:The toon/show cast can interact with Earth lifeforms fine.

The Comic cast cannot.

Why is it that the comic Maximals can interact with some things on Earth but not others? The cartoon cast can obviously interact with Earth lifeforms and the stasis pods as they did that on the show. In The Gathering the comic Maximals also interact with the stasis pods; were the stasis pods (and, by extension, the protoforms within them) chronally displaced as well?

ARRGGGGHHHH! no no! put that lid back on that can of worms!

Yours AK

Sorry! Has this been discussed before?

Not as far as I know but it does throw up a lot of questions, this time travel malarkey never really works scientifically.

Yours AK

Still not getting it...

And BTW, wt the end of the comics did Magmatron get sent back to Cybertron?

Does chronal displacement only affect light or light reflection?

We know the comic Maximals can have a physical effect on their environment as they tinker about with the Ark and even launch a surveillance drone ("They won't miss it."), if memory serves. The Predacons also manage to capture Megatron, who's obviously not chronally aligned with the comic Predacons as he's a TV character.

So, does entering the time stream at a different speed / vibration only affect how fast light is reflected off an object (that is how we are able to see things, isn't it?)? That would explain why eyes and optics can't register the reflection of light off of the chronally displaced characters, rendering them invisible.

It's all very simple, really. It's an ingenious technical device that allows the writer to do anything he wants.

In scientific terms, it's impossible. The comic characters couldn't choose to be out of phase with one thing (the 'toon characters) and not another (the environment). They may be able to switch between one or t'other easily enough (as with Magmatron shifting into Megatron's phase space to twat him), but he wouldn't have been able to see Megs in the first place to know he was there. He's also not going to be able to see anything else Megatron can see.

Basically, don't worry about it. The technobabble's just there to distract you just long enough so you can suspend your disbelief for a minute and concentrate on the story. Star Trek's been doing the same thing for years - they may try to base as much on actual science as possible, but somethings just can't be explained right now, if they're plausible at all. One of the designers, whose name I forget, when asked how the Enterprise's inertial dampers work, replied... "Very well, thank you". And that's what it's all about.

it isn't an easy concept to grasp if you think about it logically. it makes no sense, as others have noted, but it is an easy way to have the story as it is taking place without affecting the tv show continuity. the reason it works is because this is a comic book. although i don't really know why it had to tie-in with the cartoon in the first place anyway.

Did You Know..?: That in a deleted scene from the original animated movie, Shockwave was defeated when someone tried to explain this concept to him, and his one-eyed head exploded.

Oh, ok, I get it, it makes no sense and is impossible. Thanks!

But, again, where did Maggie go?

Leonardo wrote:

i_amtrunks wrote:The toon/show cast can interact with Earth lifeforms fine.

The Comic cast cannot.

Why is it that the comic Maximals can interact with some things on Earth but not others? The cartoon cast can obviously interact with Earth lifeforms and the stasis pods as they did that on the show. In The Gathering the comic Maximals also interact with the stasis pods; were the stasis pods (and, by extension, the protoforms within them) chronally displaced as well?

The stasis pods were not chronally displaced to begin with but they were made so by Magmatron and Razorbeast.

Leonardo wrote:Does chronal displacement only affect light or light reflection?

We know the comic Maximals can have a physical effect on their environment as they tinker about with the Ark and even launch a surveillance drone ("They won't miss it."), if memory serves. The Predacons also manage to capture Megatron, who's obviously not chronally aligned with the comic Predacons as he's a TV character.

So, does entering the time stream at a different speed / vibration only affect how fast light is reflected off an object (that is how we are able to see things, isn't it?)? That would explain why eyes and optics can't register the reflection of light off of the chronally displaced characters, rendering them invisible.

No not at all.The idea is that you have to look at TIME as a dimention of reality.If you enter the time stream at a different speed and/or vibration then you are in a sence entering it in a different dimention.Your kind of out of sync with the normal time flow.Think about it the way many think of the spirt world....that of ghosts.The spirt world is thought to be out of sync with our world.

If you don't understand the concept, it's because you have more of a grasp on physics than the writers do. There was a similar story on the original Star Trek, Wink Of An Eye, that used a similar plot point. Didn't make much sense then.

Sledge wrote:If you don't understand the concept, it's because you have more of a grasp on physics than the writers do. There was a similar story on the original Star Trek, Wink Of An Eye, that used a similar plot point. Didn't make much sense then.

I hate that Episode.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Leonardo wrote:In The Gathering the comic Maximals also interact with the stasis pods; were the stasis pods (and, by extension, the protoforms within them) chronally displaced as well?

The stasis pods were not chronally displaced to begin with but they were made so by Magmatron and Razorbeast.

I think it was part of the code Razorbeast had been given by Magmatron.

Eradicator wrote:And BTW, wt the end of the comics did Magmatron get sent back to Cybertron?

Nope. he was put into an even more potent Chronal Displacement, that meant he was out of sync with all time. He can travel from time to time very easily, and even states that he cannot interact, or manipulate anything, before doing exactly that less than 20 pages later, but boosting the power of Razorbeasts signal that was sent out in the Gathering #4...

i_amtrunks wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Leonardo wrote:In The Gathering the comic Maximals also interact with the stasis pods; were the stasis pods (and, by extension, the protoforms within them) chronally displaced as well?

The stasis pods were not chronally displaced to begin with but they were made so by Magmatron and Razorbeast.

I think it was part of the code Razorbeast had been given by Magmatron.

I think your right.